Favorite guns by everyones favorite 'gun hater', vindi C

[vindi C]

I dont hate guns, i hate the idea of using them for self defence.

Enough of that - what guns do u guys own, where do u go shooting, do u win?, what would be your dream gun and how long have u collected?

i myself dont own any guns as i am 15 - but i regulary go shooting on all three of my cousins farms and i am also a member of a local gun club and go skeet shooting an awful lot.

The first gun i'm buying when i get a licence is a revolver - i'm not sure which type but theres just something incredibly appealing to me about the basic old school mechanism.

I also am fond of the good old US army issue M4A1 - though unreliable and inaccurate at times it still packs a punch and is reasonably cheap to mass produce.

so post away!

 

[Bobothebigdog]

What on earth? You like guns but yet you dont want to have fun with them?

 

[vindi C]

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i like guns, i have fun shooting targets and trees and stuff with them
i just disagree with carrying a gun with u all the time as self defence.

what guns do u guys collect? cmon my other forum post generated alot more interest than this, i guess controversy just makes for a good topic.

 

[Psssniper]

"i am 15"

Uh yup............

 

[chetrogers]

I love guns and i hope i never have to use one in self defence.I think most of us would hate to have to use a gun and take a life.But if somebody is going to kill me or a family member i wouldnt hesitate to kill them.Just my 2 pennies

 

[Valkman]

Being 15 explains alot - think about this: A knife-weilding robber comes at you and robs you. Now he decides to cut you up a bit - maybe you didn't have enough cash for him. I will use my .45 to end it, and you will get hurt very badly. I'm not getting into a knife fight for anyone - the bad guy will bring a knife to a gunfight.

 

[artherd]

I dont hate guns, i hate the idea of using them for self defence.

***, mate?

 

[BluesBear]

though unreliable and inaccurate at times it still packs a punch

And you know this from how much personal experience?


Get some real time, real life experience before you start trying to talk the talk with people who actually DO the things they speak of.

And for Pete's sake, LEARN HOW TO SPELL and how to construct a readable sentence somewhere above a 2nd grade level! :banghead:

 

[Pylon]

Ya know Vindi, just a thought..But after your personal attacks in your other post, i seriously doubt many of us will take you too seriously after that.

 

[Taurus 66]

I own a Mossberg, Henry, Colt, 2 Remingtons, Taurus, and Liberty.

Assuming you are not a troll, shooting trees can get old. Perhaps one day you will consider competition shooting, hunting, working on your own guns, reloading, learning then passing on your training to the next generation of gun enthusiasts, etc. Heck! You might want to start your own gun shop. You don't know what is 10 years in your future any more than any of us know about our own.

You said you disagree with me carrying a gun all the time as self defense. Why? Does my hidden gun bother you? If you don't want to carry a gun for personal "peace of mind", then feel free. Still there are others who wish to protect their lives and those of their families. It's better to have and not need than to need and not have.

 

[Justin]

i hate the idea of using them for self defence.

Well, if you don't want to use a gun for self defense, that's cool.

 

[LadySmith]

One of my favorite guns is a revolver. It's an old stainless S&W model 686 in .357 caliber. And it had been used for self-defense.

 

[Itote]

Not again :banghead:

 

[Brick]

...Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?!

Hello folks.â„¢

Yeah it's me again.

I dont hate guns, i hate the idea of using them for self defence.

Lemme tell you something. That sentance doesn't ring very well with a lot of members on this board.

If you can imagine a 220lb male with a short sword in one hand an your hair in the other intent on killing you might want to think about that M1911a1 (or whatever) on your side might actually come of use.

BTW, a lot of hunters and target lovers actually think like you do. Hey they're not going to come after my deer rifle, or skeet shotgun, etc etc.

Until they call your deer rifle a sniper assualt rifle, your shotgun a "gun that projects multiple bullets (actually buckshot, at least most of the time ) that is designed to kill multiple children in a schoolyard.

Enough of that - what guns do u guys own, where do u go shooting, do u win?, what would be your dream gun and how long have u collected?

I don't own any guns thanks to draculian (sp?) laws of California. My dream gun right now is the MP5A2 in a caliber I choose...maybe 10mm Auto. Dunno yet though.

i am 15

Awesome.

The first gun i'm buying when i get a licence is a revolver - i'm not sure which type but theres just something incredibly appealing to me about the basic old school mechanism.

I don't think you can do that in Australia. BTW, licensing is a way of locating where the gun owners reside.

I also am fond of the good old US army issue M4A1

The M4 is still fairly new. It was adopted in 1994. Only ten years old. "Good old" might refer to something like the 1911a1 (almost 90 years of service), M16 (like 40 years), etc etc etc. BTW, you can't have an M4 in Australia, that I know for sure.

I held an airsoft M4. Didn't like it. The sights are hard to see, there's no paddle magazine release, the stock is too low for an adequate cheekweld, and the carry handle is rather obnoxious. (No insult intended to AR15/M16/M4/M773/etc owners...just not my type of pie)

 

[Itote]

Look at me,Look at me!

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

i like guns, i have fun shooting targets and trees and stuff with them
i just disagree with carrying a gun with u all the time as self defence.

what guns do u guys collect? cmon my other forum post generated alot more interest than this, i guess controversy just makes for a good topic.
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Defend yourselves by all means, just not with guns.

Have fun by all means, just not without guns.

Your post -- and your sentiments -- don't make any kind of logical sense. :banghead:

What is the problem with using a gun for self defense?

If I am attacked, and my attacker's actions justify me using deadly physical force, why would it matter whether I killed my attacker with a gun or with a bat kept near the front door, or with any other means? Is it somehow meaningful what was used to kill him?

Your opening post mentioned the M4A1 packing a punch. If all you're into is shooting targets, what difference does that punch make to you?? Maybe you care about shooting people after all!

-Jeffrey

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

Vindi,
If you live in Australia, aren't you rather limited as to what guns you can own? Doesn't your government say it's a no-no to have the very guns you're saying you'd like to have?

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I know that Australia went off the gun-control deep end a few years ago, but I'm not closely familiar with what is now banned and what is not. I thought all they are allowed to have now is small caliber single-shots or something.

-Jeffrey

 

[Taurus 66]

I just summed it all up. It's a troll! I can't believe I posted here twice now (I feel dirty )

 

[vindi C]

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wow u still dont understand this DO U - i'm going to clarify myself ONE LAST TIME.

I dont like the idea of using guns for self defense as they are too lethal - i see no need to kill the attacker when you could quite easily disarm them with MANY other methods.

I own no guns - it is quite hard to get ahold of them legally out of a club - u have to have a good reason to own one. but i DO shoot in a local gun club, i win many competitions and can hold my own against many of the adults that shoot there. I do understand the mechanism of a gun - and i know how to reload, take apart and service them.

I'm not stupid when it comes to knowledge and applied knowledge on guns, i just dont think the idea of using them as self defence is a good one.

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Could we please move on from this and actually talk about ure guys guns and shooting competition trophys?

i am rather sick of debating.

 

[BluesBear]

I dont hate guns, i hate the idea of using them for self defence.

That's how you started this thread. YOU brought it up not us. Why are you surprised that people are taking you to task over it?

i am rather sick of debating.

As would anyone who's been made to appear to be a buffoon as many times in a 24 hour period as you.


To answer your original question.

Enough of that - what guns do u guys own, where do u go shooting, do u win?, what would be your dream gun and how long have u collected?

We owe many many guns that you will never be able to see or shoot much less own.
We shoot many many places.
I have been collecting for almost 40 years and will continue to do so for many many more years. Probably long after all of your gun rights have been totally stripped away since the government of "Australia, the best country in the world" doesn't trust it's SUBJECTS with firearms ownership.

And it's people who think like you who are to blame.

 

[Taurus 66]

OK, now that I upchucked, one last time for Old Saint Nick.

There are far too many flaws for you to be taken seriously.

I dont like the idea of using guns for self defense as they are too lethal

#1. Define "Too lethal". Is there a lesser lethal that's better?

#2. Use "you" instead of "u" more often, like you did here:

i see no need to kill the attacker when you could quite easily disarm them with MANY other methods.

#3. So what's the main objective of your rant? Are you trying to convert all US gun owners to think like you do, who has not even one firearm?

I own no guns - it is quite hard to get ahold of them legally out of a club

So now because we might want to shoot to stop an intruder and preserve our lives, we should be ashamed of ourselves and turn in our guns and in that we will be doing the right thing. Yeah ... and my name's Willy Headscrew ... my head screws on and off.

 

[peacefuljeffrey]

wow u still dont understand this DO U - i'm going to clarify myself ONE LAST TIME.

I dont like the idea of using guns for self defense as they are too lethal - i see no need to kill the attacker when you could quite easily disarm them with MANY other methods.

This assertion is asinine.

If it were anywhere near true, cops wouldn't need guns. After all, it's so SIMPLE and EASY to just "quite easily disarm them with MANY other methods."

Yeah, everyone's a martial arts expert, and beyond that, is able to disarm violent criminal attackers who come armed with guns, knives, or clubs. Yeah, piece of cake.

What color is the sky in your world?! :banghead:

I own no guns - it is quite hard to get ahold of them legally out of a club - u have to have a good reason to own one.

The only good reason I need is that I WISH to own one -- for pleasure, fun, and defense. When a country's government claims that self defense is not a "good reason" for a citizen to own a gun, that country's government is a tyranny.

WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE A BETTER "GOOD REASON" TO OWN A GUN THAN, "I MAY REQUIRE THE USE OF IT TO SAVE MY LIFE?!?!"

I'm not stupid when it comes to knowledge and applied knowledge on guns, i just dont think the idea of using them as self defence is a good one.

So you're saying that SAVING LIVES is not a good reason to have a gun, but a defensible argument for keeping the right to have them is because it's fun to shoot paper targets and clay pigeons?!

Could we please move on from this and actually talk about ure guys guns and shooting competition trophys?

i am rather sick of debating.

All you really have to do to end the "debate" (it really has been more of a "trouncing") is concede that your points make no sense. It's called a "surrender." You may have seen Americans force various evildoers around the world to do it at times -- usually because we had superior guns and the will to use them.

-Jeffrey

 

[jobu07]

Guys, lets not have a repeat of vindi c's introduction to us. All he did is ask a simple question about what we collect. Lets not wander too far off topic here....

As for me, I love to collect old mil-surp guns. It's very satisfying to get an old miltary weapon and clean it up and see just well they still shoot. Other than those, i'm into all the latest EBR's and such.

 

[BluesBear]

I will type this slowly because I know you can't read fast.

from a very unwelcome private message from vindi c:

listen up and listen up good

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I do not care what you think of me or how you publically display it. My beliefs are my own and i respect others beliefs.

ontop of that, how is everyone clinging onto a colt under their jacket going to make this world a better, more friendly and peacful place?

burn.
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Defend yourselves by all means, just not with guns.

Have fun by all means, just not without guns.

DO NOT MESSAGE ME EVER AGAIN
Anything you have to say to me you can say in open forum.
Any further privates messages from you to me will be considered harassment!

wow u still dont understand this DO U - i'm going to clarify myself ONE LAST TIME.

I dont like the idea of using guns for self defense as they are too lethal - i see no need to kill the attacker when you could quite easily disarm them with MANY other methods.

No! It is YOU who do not understand.

There is NO less-than-lethal way for ONE person to "quite easily" protect themself from 5 or 6 much larger and stronger persons.

There is absolutely NO guaranteed less-than-lethal way for ANYONE to protect themself from another ARMED person.

Your martial arts "solution" is poppycock!
In order to use martial arts against me...

listen up here.. this next part is very very important...

In order to use martial arts agains me...

YOU HAVE TO TOUCH ME!

Guess what Sparky. My firearm is the ultimate personal REMOTE CONTROL.

When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are in peace; but when one stronger than he assails him and overcomes him, he takes away his armor in which he trusted, and divides his spoil. He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. (Luke 11:21-23)

Until you shut your cake hole and open your mind you will never understand the concept of personal defense.
You can have your personal opinion, as unrational as it may be.

Here in America we all believe that you, even as a semi-pubescent teenager in far away OZ are entitled to have your own opinion. Just don't expect that for one nano-second that any of us will buy into it. And don't tell us to "LISTEN UP".


So you can continue to shoot all the trees your gun club will allow.
And you can continue to form opinions of firearms that you will never see other than on the TV or in books and cinema. And you can continue to dream of guns that you will never be allowed to shoot that we have sitting in our safes.



While we live out our dreams you may continue to live in your dream world.


Even if the other person is absolutely and completely WRONG, they've usually got a decently thought-out argument to back up their clueless posts. (M.Irwin TFL 07-12-2001)

Some theories are neat, plausible and wrong. (Grump THR 06-16-04)

Sorry but I really don't care about or have time for stupid folks. Folks got a right to be wrong, stupid or both. (sm THR 05-06-04)

It would appear that for some, no explanation is required... for others, no explanation will do. (Baba Louie THR 09/29/03)

vindi C is now on your ignore list

 

[Spiphel Rike]

Maybe he needs to see examples of guns saving lives. I believe that one responsible gun owner saved twenty people from armed robbers (can someone post that story please?)

As far as I know Australian gun laws ban semi automatic rifles, you have to be a collector, land owner, hunter, competition shooter or military/LEO to own a gun. You must attend a set number of shoots per year. Pump action firearms are banned, handgun magazines are limited to 10 rounds and there is a minimum barrell length rule. You need a special permit to shoot the .45 I know for sure.

These laws are terrible, they take the law abiding citizen's guns and do nothing about countless illegal firearms still out there. I have met a man who used to hold something similar to a concealed carry license over here (he would have had the thing a long time ago) and he was one of the most calm, careful people I ever met.

Don't assume that gun owners shoot the lightbulbs out at night, or use their guns to switch on the TV. Wake up to yourself, you've listened to too much of Howard's propaganda and quite frankly I'm sick of seeing so many Australians with a gun hating attitude spouting lies about guns.

Guns are not dangerous, to fire one a round must be chambered, the safeties must be disengaged and the trigger must be pulled. Do some homework before you blame guns for every problem you can think of.