FEMAnism In Denial (It's all Louisiana' fault)

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I'm not an economist and don't pretend to understand tax law. I'm a nurse and every year around tax time the nursing assist's and others a little lower on the payroll then me (not much room below me) are bragging about huge tax refunds and earned income credit amounts. These same folks are recieving money to assist with child care from our hospital (income based). I know several of them got back what they payed and then some. I even got back a large portion, mostly because overtime is overtaxed but after taxes were figured, the percentage of tax payed was very low. Statistics are easily manipulated, I'll go by what I see locally.
 
"A single mother with two children who works full time and earns $22,000 would receive no tax cut whatsoever under the Bush plan."

A single mother of two who earns $22,000 pays no taxes so how can she get a tax cut.

"The waitress earning $25,000 that President Bush mentioned in his February 3 radio address would get no tax cut or a tax cut of a few hundred dollars (depending on her child care costs). In contrast, her lawyer customer earning $250,000 would receive a tax cut of approximately $3,100 a year. (The lawyer's tax cut would be $8,400 if the Alternative Minimum Tax were eliminated, as some members of Congress are proposing to do.) "

The waitress does not even pay in $3100 a year in taxes let alone $8,400 while the lawyer pays in over $70,000 in taxes so why should not his tax cut be bigger.

"A married family with two children that earns $26,000 this year would have its income tax eliminated. But such a family owes only $20 in taxes. The elimination of 100 percent of its income tax liability would not be of much benefit to it."

At last we get to it, it is not about tax cuts its about wealth redistribution lets take money from the rich and give to the poor, sounds alittle like communism.

As conservative and liberal analysts alike have long recognized, the working families that face the highest marginal tax rates are those with incomes between about $13,000 and about $20,000. For each additional dollar these families earn, they lose up to 21 cents in the Earned Income Tax Credit, Thats free money from the rest of us, that we paid in but they did not because they do not pay any taxes. 7.65 cents in payroll taxes (15.3 cents if the employer's share of the payroll tax is counted), 24 cents to 36 cents in food stamp benefits, and additional amounts if they receive housing assistance or a child care subsidy on a sliding fee scale or are subject to state income taxes. Heaven forbid they have to pay any state taxes No other Americans in any income bracket have as large a share of each additional dollar they earn "taxed away." Thats because no other Americans in any income bracket are given that kind of free money from the government ie. me and you.


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The prosperous already pay the lion's share of Federal taxes in America. The top half in income pay something like 96 per cent of all levies, as I recall. The affluent and semi-affluent are carrying this country. If there are fair ways of reducing the burden on the middle class American I'm for them, but it's also wrong to penalize, and criminalize, success in a country built on capitalism.


OK, another urban myth bites the dust:[/B]

How so everything you posted goes directly into showing that the poor do not pay taxes and the middle class and rich do, that the lions share of paying for this country comes from the rich and middle classes.
 
Brown might not be a likeable fellow. Maybe he didn't really have the credentials for the job; however, the real problem and the reason that the Republican higher-ups won't come down hard on Nagin and Blanco is because they don't want to further allienate black and women voters. It's just a matter of p.c. crap. What kind of leader would you expect largely-illiterate, poor black voters to elect, a Winston Churchill?

Blanco is pathetic.

I don't think anybody on Earth in charge of FEMA could have gotten anything done in NO, considering that Nagin is an unqualified, bumbling idiot, and Blanco is a wishy-washy, airheaded Democrat fool.
 
This thread is either about FEMA or it's closed.

Take the tax stuff to APS.

Art





Sorry if I posted in the wrong place but what is the APS

Thanks
 
So, lemme get this straight...

If Harrisburg gets nuked, then the people there are basically screwed until they find the next person in the chain of command.
 
Yep.

But that really isn't an accurate comparison because there wouldn't be the mirage of a competent local authority remaining in Harrisburg.

The Mayor will be dead, not issuing contradictory orders to his subordinates, countering attempts to assist by state officials and making deliberate decisions to undercut his own, preexisting emergency plan.

If Najin had just died or disappeared the ICS would have been free to move the next level Incident Commander into position and, presumably, that individual could have followed NO's prewritten plans and started an integrated response.

The Mayor's inability or unwillingness to do his job properly was excerbated by the Governor's apparent co-incompetence.
 
Probably the best thing that could have happened was the NO mayor and the governer getting sucked under in the storm...then it would have moved up the ICS chain of command.
 
Just what we need.
More government intrusion in the way of FEMA becomming a first responder.

Where do you people that support this increase think they get their funding from?

What happened to you are responsible for yourself?
What happened to being self sufficient?

You want to live in a cereal bowl below sea level, you pay the consequeces when it floods.

Tornado's, Hurricanes, earth quakes have been going on for centuries. Long before FEMA, the FEDS, the US and insurance companies existed.

Its a wonder anyone ever survived under some of the thinking that goes on here.

I say do away with FEMA and let people be responsible for themselves and where they choose to live and work.

Throwing the "class" argument into this shows the socialist thinking of some.
Everyone has the same opportunities to succeed in this country if they choose to. Unfortunatly a great many do not and want to complain about it.
 
longeyes:
When Ronald Reagan took office, 0.9% of the population was under correctional supervision. That figure has continued to rise. When crime began to fall in 1992, it stood at 1.9%. In 2003 it was 2.4%. Crime has dropped, but criminality has continued to rise.
Be careful when quoting statistics (or quoting people who use such statistics) as this one. More people under correctional supervision doesn't necessarily equate to more people commiting crimes (per capita). Criminality could very well be dropping, but that statistic would rise if, say, harsher sentences were being handed out--longer jail terms, longer probation/parole periods, and so forth--because people wouldn't be falling off of the rolls as fast.

I'm not disagreeing with the basic premise of the article, but we need to be very careful to consider lurking variables when looking at statistics. I just know we're going to get a bunch of numbers thrown at us about FEMA and Katrina and such in the near future, so it behooves us to take them with a very large grain of salt.
 
WASHINGTON, Oct. 1 - When the definitive story of the confrontation between Hurricane Katrina and the United States government is finally told, one long and tragicomic chapter will have to be reserved for the odyssey of the ice.

Ninety-one thousand tons of ice cubes, that is, intended to cool food, medicine and sweltering victims of the storm. It would cost taxpayers more than $100 million, and most of it would never be delivered.

The somewhat befuddled heroes of the tale will be truckers like Mark Kostinec, who was dropping a load of beef in Canton, Ohio, on Sept. 2 when his dispatcher called with an urgent government job: Pick up 20 tons of ice in Greenville, Pa., and take it to Carthage, Mo., a staging area for the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

Mr. Kostinec, 40, a driver for Universe Truck Lines of Omaha, was happy to help with the crisis. But at Carthage, instead of unloading, he was told to take his 2,000 bags of ice on to Montgomery, Ala.

After a day and a half in Montgomery, he was sent to Camp Shelby, in Mississippi. From there, on Sept. 8, he was waved onward to Selma, Ala. And after two days in Selma he was redirected to Emporia, Va., along with scores of other frustrated drivers who had been following similarly circuitous routes.

At Emporia, Mr. Kostinec sat for an entire week, his trailer burning fuel around the clock to keep the ice frozen, as FEMA officials studied whether supplies originally purchased for Hurricane Katrina might be used for Hurricane Ophelia. But in the end only 3 of about 150 ice trucks were sent to North Carolina, he said. So on Sept. 17, Mr. Kostinec headed to Fremont, Neb., where he unloaded his ice into a government-rented storage freezer the next day.

"I dragged that ice around for 4,100 miles, and it never got used," Mr. Kostinec said. A former mortgage broker and Enron computer technician, he had learned to roll with the punches, and he was pleased to earn $4,500 for the trip, double his usual paycheck. He was perplexed, however, by the government's apparent bungling.

"They didn't seem to know how much ice they were buying and how much they were using," he said. "All the truckers said the money was good. But we were upset about not being able to help."

In the chaotic aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, Mr. Kostinec's government-ordered meandering was not unusual. Partly because of the mass evacuation forced by Hurricane Katrina, and partly because of what an inspector general's report this week called a broken system for tracking goods at FEMA, the agency ordered far more ice than could be distributed to people who needed it.

Over about a week after the storm, FEMA ordered 211 million pounds of ice for Hurricane Katrina, said Rob Holland, a spokesman for the Army Corps of Engineers, which buys the ice that FEMA requests under a contract with IAP Worldwide Services of Cape Canaveral, Fla.

Officials eventually realized that that much ice was overkill, and managed to cancel some of the orders. But the 182 million pounds actually supplied turned out to be far more than could be delivered to victims.

In the end, Mr. Holland said, 59 percent of the ice was trucked to storage freezers all over the country to await the next disaster; some has been used for Hurricane Rita.

Of $200 million originally set aside for ice purchases, the bill for the Hurricane Katrina purchases so far is more than $100 million - and climbing, Mr. Holland said. Under the ice contract, the government pays about $12,000 to buy a 20-ton truckload of ice, delivered to its original destination. If it is moved farther, the price is $2.60 a mile, and a day of waiting costs up to $900, Mr. Holland said.

Those numbers add up fast, and reports like Mr. Kostinec's have stirred concern on Capitol Hill, as more wearying evidence of the federal government's incoherent response to the catastrophe.

At a hearing on Wednesday, Senator Susan Collins, Republican of Maine, expressed astonishment that many truckloads of ice had ended up in storage 1,600 miles from the Hurricane Katrina damage zone in her state, apparently because the storage contractor, AmeriCold Logistics, had run out of space farther south.

"The American taxpayers, and especially the Katrina victims, cannot endure this kind of wasteful spending," Ms. Collins said.

Asked about trips like Mr. Kostinec's, Nicol Andrews, a FEMA spokeswoman, said: "He was put on call for a need and the need was not realized, so he went home. Any reasonable person recognizes the fact that it makes sense to prepare for the worst, hope for the best and place your resources where they may be needed."

Unlike an ordinary hurricane, which may leave a large population in still-habitable housing but without power for days or weeks, Hurricane Katrina destroyed neighborhoods and led to unprecedented evacuation, Ms. Andrews said.

"The population we ordered the ice for had been dispersed," she said, "which is good, because they are out of harm's way."

Ms. Andrews said FEMA realized it must improve its monitoring of essential items. The new report by the homeland security inspector general says that after last year's hurricanes million of dollars of ice was left unused in Florida because FEMA had "no automated way to coordinate quantities of commodities with the people available to accept and distribute them."

Ms. Andrews said, "There are programs in the works that will help us better track commodities, not just ice, but water and tarps and food." One system would use bar codes and a global positioning system, "so literally we will know exactly where every bag of ice is."

Some people, including Michael D. Brown, the former FEMA director, have questioned why the agency spends so much money moving ice.

"I feebly attempted to get FEMA out of the business of ice," Mr. Brown told a House panel this week. "I don't think that's a federal government responsibility to provide ice to keep my hamburger meat in my freezer or refrigerator fresh."

But ice, even Mr. Brown agreed, at times plays a critical role, like helping keep patients alive at places like Meadowcrest Hospital, in Gretna, La. After the hurricane hit, the air-conditioning went out and temperatures inside climbed into the 90's.

"Physicians and staff attempted to cool patients by placing ice in front of fans," Phillip Sowa, the hospital's chief executive, wrote in an online account of the ordeal.

Archie Harris, a Wilmington, N.C., ice merchant who serves as disaster preparedness chairman for the International Packaged Ice Association, said that while FEMA had been criticized mostly as being underprepared, on the ice question it was being criticized for being overprepared. "FEMA can't win right now," Mr. Harris said. "Can you imagine what people would say if they'd run out of ice?"

Not all of the ice delivery trips, by an estimated 4,000 drivers, ended in frustration. Mike Snyder, a truck driver from Berwick, Pa., took an excruciating journey that started in Allentown, Pa., on Sept. 16 and did not end until two weeks later, on Friday morning, when he arrived in Tarkington Prairie, Tex.

The electricity was out in the small community. When Mr. Snyder pulled up in front of a local church and unloaded his ice, residents were overjoyed to see him. "I felt like I did a lot of good," he said.

Truck drivers who pinballed around the country felt differently.

Having almost lost his Florida home to a hurricane last year, Jeff Henderson was eager to help when he heard that FEMA needed truckers to carry ice. He drove at his own expense to Wisconsin to collect a 20-ton load and delivered it to the Carthage staging area.

Then he, too, was sent across the South: Meridian, Miss.; Selma; and finally Memphis, where he waited five days and then delivered his ice to storage.

"I can't understand what happened," Mr. Henderson said. "The government's the only customer that plays around like that."

Mike Hohnstein, a dispatcher in Omaha, sent a truckload out of Dubuque, Iowa, to Meridian. From there, the driver was sent to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana, to Columbia, S.C., and finally to Cumberland, Md., where he bought a lawn chair and waited for six days.

Finally, 10 days after he started, the driver was told to take the ice to storage in Bettendorf, Iowa, Mr. Hohnstein said. The truck had traveled 3,282 miles, but not a cube of ice had reached a hurricane victim.

"Well," Mr. Hohnstein said, "the driver got to see the country."

His company's bill to the government will exceed $15,000, he said, but the ice was worth less than $5,000. "It seemed like an incredible waste of money," he said.

The next time FEMA calls for help, it may find the response far less willing. After two Universe Truck Lines drivers spent more than two weeks on the road to no purpose, the company decided it had had enough. When a FEMA contractor called and asked if the company could take some ice stored in Fremont, Neb., to Fort Worth, Tex., Universe said no.

"Our trucks had been tied up for 17 days," Sean Smal, a Universe dispatcher, said. "We couldn't take another trip like those."


From the NY Times
 
Moral of Denko's post: Go to college; don't drive trucks for a living. :p
 
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Inequity of taxation is certainly a civil rights issue to me....

What part of Art's request was unclear?

Take the tax stuff to APS. Take disagreements concerning Art's request to PM.
 
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