Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

FF in a blackpowder pistol?

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by synapse, Jul 13, 2003.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. synapse

    synapse Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2003
    Messages:
    48
    I have several tins of GOEX FF and a few Pyrodex FF bottles. I am thinking about purchasing a 50 cal flintlock pistol. Will these items work? Will it be safe?

    Thank you,
    regards,
    Synapse

    PS - I use those items in my black powder rifle just fine
     
  2. Dr.Rob

    Dr.Rob Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2002
    Messages:
    14,655
    Location:
    Centennial, CO
    In a single shot heavy pistol, probably. fff is made for revolvers.
     
  3. P95Carry

    P95Carry Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2003
    Messages:
    16,341
    Location:
    South PA, and a bit West of center!
    I'd have thought that if measured vol for vol ... then FF would just represent a charge with smaller surface area for the burn ... thence be a tad slower and lower pressure peak. I'd expect that to perform adequately.
     
  4. Snowdog

    Snowdog Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2002
    Messages:
    3,938
    Location:
    Hendersonville, WNC
    It most certainly will work, as that's exactly what I used immediately after purchasing my steel frame 1858 Remington from Cabela's.
    I was told by several others that the velocities would not be quite as high as fffg since the powder charge was being measured by volume as opposed to weight.

    I found 35 grains of ffg under .454 Hornady round ball offered some sweet results with plenty of power.

    If ffg worked for my .44cal cap-n-ball, it'll work just fine out of a .50 caliber flintlock.
     
  5. scotjute

    scotjute Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2003
    Messages:
    563
    Location:
    Texas
    I've tried Pyrodex in a .50 cal pistol once. Lyman Plains Pistol, it took about 8 magnum # 11 caps, removing the nipple, and sprinkling some black powder down nipple hole before it fired. I will not try that again. Read somewhere that these things were made for black powder and use of substitute powders was not recommended.
     
  6. mothernatureson

    mothernatureson Member

    Joined:
    Jan 29, 2003
    Messages:
    216
    Location:
    iowa
    bp selection

    Pyrodex, in any granulation is not recommended by most makers of flintlocks, pyrodex has a higher ignition point, making it difficult to ignite in a flintlock. I've had great results with "p" pryodex in all of my cap and ball revolvers. I suppose it's due to those being an "inline" configuration. My two cents . Happy hunting.
    mothernatureson
     
  7. mainmech48

    mainmech48 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2003
    Messages:
    1,846
    Location:
    Indiana
    I use Pyrodex "P" in all of my C&B revolvers. No ignition problems using standard caps so far.

    I use the 30 gr. pellets with a "Wonder Wad", swaged ball, and cigarette papers to make combustable cartridges for the .44s, too. There is no place within 50 miles of my home where I can buy genuine black gunpowder, but I can get Pyrodex at the local Wally World.

    FWIW, I've resorted to Pyrodex "R" in revolvers when I ran out of "P" with no problems.

    Don't see how one could get into much trouble using a volumetric measure just changing granulations, unless 4F priming powder was used. The weight/volume ratio shouldn't change that much between 2F and 3F.
     
  8. CasualShooter

    CasualShooter Member

    Joined:
    Mar 9, 2003
    Messages:
    303
    Location:
    Midwest
    The Goex FFg should work just fine.

    According to Lyman's Black Powder Handbook (They did some performance evaluations comparing 2Fg vs 3Fg in .54 Cal Rifles) the FFg should produce lower velocity and pressure than an equal charge of FFFg. This makes sense as the finer granulation of the FFFg presents more surface area and would be expected to burn faster than the FFg.

    Don't know about the pyrodex. I haven't used it much but it's said to be harder to ignite. I think I would be inclined to save the Pyrodex for my rifle and not mess with it in a flintlock pistol. :)
     
  9. foghornl

    foghornl Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Messages:
    7,403
    If you use the "real" black powder in your flinty, you are OK. I can't locate it right now, but somewhere I have an e-mail from Hodgdon's (Pyrodex maker) that plainly states NOT to use "Replica Powders " (Pyrodex, 777, etc) in flintys. With the higher flame point of Pyrodex, et al, ignition of the main charge is unpredictable.
     
  10. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    18,685
    The quality of today's powder is superior to that used by our Founding Fathers, Napoleon's troops and probably both armies of the Civil War. Today's 2F would probably be 3F by their standards.
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page