Field Gauge or No-Go Gauge or both.

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So if I plan to buy a few surplus rifles and want to be safe (cause I do) and I want to test head space, do I need both gauges, or do I just need the field gauge?

FYI my gunsmith charges 50.00 to check for headspace and the gauge is like 20.00 brand new.

Thanks in advance.
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in theory, a field is all you need. together, they will give you more information
 
What will you do with a surplus rifle you have found to have excessive headspace?

Fix it? That will cost more than the gun.
Scrap it? You are out the price of the gun.
Sell it? And sell your problems to the next sucker.
Shoot it? Well, the previous owners must have thought it was ok before they passed it on to the gullible Americans. As long as you don't get casehead separations with surplus ammo, what does it matter?
 
A field gauge can fit in my pocket so I can take it to gun shows with me.
If I happen to buy an "as is" at least I'll know not to shoot it to see if it has problems. Also if there is a problem, I can sell the bolt, barreled action, stock and trigger parts and get some of my money back without endagering or suckering the next guy.

I just want to be safe
 
Get the field gauge...........But............The No-Go gauge will give you a good indication of of the weapons condition. Just passing the Field Gauge may mean you have a weapon in marginal condition. Passing the NO-GO gauge will tell you it is in better shape.....IMHO
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Passing the go gage will ensure the rifle is safe to shoot and will probably shoot accurately too.
If a rifle that isn't in caliber 5.56 NATO or 7.62x51 closes on a commercial dimension no go gage I start calculating how much it is going to cost to fix it.
5.56 and 7.62 Nato are usually still in safe parameters when they close on a commercial no-go gage.

If any rifle closes on a field gage, I am putting the rifle down and not even thinking about shooting it.
 
If any rifle closes on a field gage, I am putting the rifle down and not even thinking about shooting it.
My guess is that you dont get to shoot many surplus rifles.
> 75% of the surplus rifles I have examined will swallow a no-go gauge. Im fine with using the field gauge.
 
The No-Go gage is used when installing barrels to ensure a certain degree of margin WRT headspace over the servicible life of the barrel.

Get the Field Reject gage.
 
Any rifle that closes on a no-go gauge, is a rifle with too much headspace for my tastes

Feel free to send any rifles that fail a NO-GO my way, I'll even pay for shipping.

I don't even own a NO-GO gauge. I'm not setting headspace so I've never felt the need. I use the FIELD gauge yearly in my rifles to ensure they are still serviceable. BSW
 
223.....................308 Win ................30-06........................
1.464 Go ...............1.630 Go ...............2.049 Go ...............0.000
1.465...................1.631...................2.050...................0.001
1.466...................1.632...................2.051...................0.002
1.467 No-Go ............1.633...................2.052...................0.003
1.468...................1.634 No-Go ............2.053...................0.004
1.469...................1.635...................2.054...................0.005
1.470 Field Reject .....1.636...................2.055 No-Go ............0.006
1.471...................1.637...................2.056...................0.007
1.472...................1.638 Field Reject .....2.057...................0.008
1.473...................1.639...................2.058 Field Reject .....0.009
1.474...................1.640...................2.059...................0.010


If it closes on a GO gauge, then standard ammo will have problems chambering properly.

If it closes on a NO-GO gauge, then it has too much headspace and needs to be fixed.

If it also closes on a Field Reject gauge, then the firearm is not safe to shoot and REALLY needs to be fixed. Expect case head separations.

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Hatcher shot a 1917 .30-06 with the chamber successively reamed out to a maximum of 1.965" (field + .015 by the government headspace datum) and saw only "slight stretching" of the brass and no separation. He concluded that a long chamber is not a risk, but did say that excess headspace from wear, setback, or mismatch could lead to case separations.
 
Hatcher shot a 1917 .30-06 with the chamber successively reamed out to a maximum of 1.965" (field + .015 by the government headspace datum) and saw only "slight stretching" of the brass and no separation. He concluded that a long chamber is not a risk, but did say that excess headspace from wear, setback, or mismatch could lead to case separations.

That event was probably more than 70 years ago. I think he was using issue ammo, which may not have been 50,000 psia. Could have been in the 40,000 psia range, all it had to do back then was push a 150 grain bullet 2700 fps. The load he was using may not even have stretched the case.

Someone can simulate the event. Use your cartridge headspace gage. Just size a case until the shoulder is set back about 0.020" as measured in the gage. Load a round, as considered maximum by today's standards (60,000 psia) and let go.

Wear gloves and glasses.

I the mean time, I gage my rifles, and I want the headspace to be between Go and No Go.

The Lee Enfield is a bit of an exception. The Go and No Gages I have, they are not to British standard, so they are useless.
 
I need the gauge for a Mauser in 8mm. I own 3, and I plan to get more. I love these rifles.
 
Case head seperation is exactly why you should not shoot a rifle with excessive headspace, Hatcher was exactly right and just didn't elaborate the danger of a seperation.
Hatcher also reported on many catastrophic failures of firearms and the causes but metallurgy was still in its infancy during Hatchers time and he was no expert on the subject.

As a general rule, excessive headspace does not cause a catastrophic failure of the firearm unless other factors are also present such as stress fractures, stress risers, poor quality materials used in construction, etc.

Older and surplus rifles contain many of these faults and this is why I will repair one that closes on a no-go gage rather than risk the possibility of injury shooting it as-is.

When a cartridge case fails in the chamber, the gasses normally directed forward tend to jet back jet back towards the shooter.
This will occur even with rifles that have had safety ports incorporated into the design simply because the safety ports cannot be made to a tolerence that will safely vent all the gas without weakening critical points of the design that could lead to catastrophic failure in the course of normal use.
Many, many rifles were not designed to safely deal with rearward directed gasses and as a consequence the shooter receives a very unpleasant faceful of suprises.
If the shooter isn't wearing the all important eye protection, then loss of the dominant eye becomes a real possibility.

5.56Nato and 7.62 NATO can be used with cartridges such as .223 and .308 commercial because the headspace dimensions are so similar between commercial and military that the cartridges can be safely fired in either or chamber.
In most cases the longer Military cartridges will actually load and extract in commercial chambers but it requires quite a bit of force in the loading and unloading cycles.
In semi auto weapons this puts much greater stress forces on the operating parts and can and usually does cause early parts failure.
On manually loaded rifles this isn't so much a result as is frustration and fatigue to the shooter.

This is why the really saavy manufacturers use military dimension chambers in semi auto sporting rifles.

Case stretch still occurs and this is also the reason that saavy manufacturers include a notice recommending that the shooter does not reload the cartridge cases fired in these rifles.
Most especially and specifically, commercial cartridges.
Military cases tend to do much better but many shooters are not educated enough to differentiate and seperate cases used for their reloading purposes.
The stretching of the case weakens it substantially to the point that most commercial cartridge cases can only be reloaded a maximum of once before the possibility that the weakened and reloaded case seperates in the chamber.
 
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