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Mr. Bojangles
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Getting the police and/or a lawyer involved works very well in theory but very poorly in reality. It is your word against hers, and they will not force her to submit to a drug screen just because you say she does drugs. Unless the will contains a serial number the cops will not take the rifle from her and give it to you. And even if it does she can say it was her favorite uncle's rifle and she bought it from you.
Bluffing to call the police or actually contacting them may just end up pissing off a crazy person who will get rid of the rifle, and if that happens it will probably be gone forever. Remember, you are not dealing with a sane and rational person.
I would offer her less cash, hoping that the "cash talks" strategy works. I realize that the rifle truly does not belong to her and belongs to the original poster, but if you try and play "hardball" you stand a very real chance of losing the rifle forever. To me, the course of action should be dictated by whether or not you are willing to take a chance on losing the rifle.
Bluffing to call the police or actually contacting them may just end up pissing off a crazy person who will get rid of the rifle, and if that happens it will probably be gone forever. Remember, you are not dealing with a sane and rational person.
I would offer her less cash, hoping that the "cash talks" strategy works. I realize that the rifle truly does not belong to her and belongs to the original poster, but if you try and play "hardball" you stand a very real chance of losing the rifle forever. To me, the course of action should be dictated by whether or not you are willing to take a chance on losing the rifle.
CoRoMo
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Are you going to be able to verify that the Garand she has is actually the one your grandfather owned? What if she bought another Garand and is trying to flip it for a profit through selling it to you?
Honestly, your aunt doesn't sound resourceful enough to do that.
kirklandkie
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i'd steal the damn thing, if it was left to you in your grandfather's will then it is by all means your rifle and not hers to sell. keep us informed
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You never have said what the Manufacture of the Garand, if all the parts are correct, condition... for $1000 you can get a nice M1 or even a better one considering money spent on Lawyer fees.. unless he carried it in WW2 and has a picture of it.
Sheldon J
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Have you thought of this....
If she is indeed a druggie then her thought process is somewhat messed up....
with a exacto knife you can easily make a $2,000.00 scratch off winner which you trade her for the gun, and she goes to jail for trying to defraud the state...
or you can give her a bogus money order...
there are all kinds of methods of taking the gun away from her, taking the gun and her just saying that it is hers... well that may not work if you can go "Nope not hers mine I was left to me in this (show copy) of the will" or you can just lawyer up which is the best way.....
If she is indeed a druggie then her thought process is somewhat messed up....
with a exacto knife you can easily make a $2,000.00 scratch off winner which you trade her for the gun, and she goes to jail for trying to defraud the state...
or you can give her a bogus money order...
there are all kinds of methods of taking the gun away from her, taking the gun and her just saying that it is hers... well that may not work if you can go "Nope not hers mine I was left to me in this (show copy) of the will" or you can just lawyer up which is the best way.....
Sixtigers
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Wow. Just....wow.
1. I'd keep the police out of this, if I were you. At best, it's going to cost you more than $1000 to get the rifle. At worst, you'll never see it again.
2. DO NOTHING ILLEGAL. This rifle, no matter the sentimental value, isn't worth the price of your integrity, or losing your right to RTKBA. Again--DO NOTHING ILLEGAL.
3. Pay her the $1000, or a cash offer. If she doesn't take your cash offer, be prepared to pay $1000, or walk away and forget about it. It's a lose/lose scenario if you do anything else.
4. I know the rifle has sentimental value to you, but if you don't move quick and she is a druggie, its days are numbered. Move quick, or be prepared to not have to worry about it.
5. An option that I've not seen offered yet: If your father and his sister are close, could you not have your father intercede on your behalf? Maybe have your father make a cash offer to his sister?
...Don't do anything that makes you out to be the bad guy in this. It isn't worth it. Don't listen to threads that advocate breaking the law, or trying to "trick" her--that's a road that you don't want to start traveling, my friend. Stay highroad! Be prepared to walk away if you can't do this right, and know that you did what you could. Personally, I see M1 Garands going for her price here in Southern California.
Stay highroad!
Respectfully, Sixtigers
1. I'd keep the police out of this, if I were you. At best, it's going to cost you more than $1000 to get the rifle. At worst, you'll never see it again.
2. DO NOTHING ILLEGAL. This rifle, no matter the sentimental value, isn't worth the price of your integrity, or losing your right to RTKBA. Again--DO NOTHING ILLEGAL.
3. Pay her the $1000, or a cash offer. If she doesn't take your cash offer, be prepared to pay $1000, or walk away and forget about it. It's a lose/lose scenario if you do anything else.
4. I know the rifle has sentimental value to you, but if you don't move quick and she is a druggie, its days are numbered. Move quick, or be prepared to not have to worry about it.
5. An option that I've not seen offered yet: If your father and his sister are close, could you not have your father intercede on your behalf? Maybe have your father make a cash offer to his sister?
...Don't do anything that makes you out to be the bad guy in this. It isn't worth it. Don't listen to threads that advocate breaking the law, or trying to "trick" her--that's a road that you don't want to start traveling, my friend. Stay highroad! Be prepared to walk away if you can't do this right, and know that you did what you could. Personally, I see M1 Garands going for her price here in Southern California.
Stay highroad!
Respectfully, Sixtigers
UMM.... NO
I would not call 911, but call the police dept number ask to talk to a police officer. Explane you situation to the officer ask him what your legal rights are to obtaining the gun that BELONGS TO YOU! at least around here If you just talk to a officer about a concern they are 99% willing to help get to the bottom of things.
Make sure you have a photocopy of the will
My grandfather passed away too, and he also left me a few guns. That is how I remember him best.
GOOD LUCK!!!!
memphisjim
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yes this 1000 is a feeler
show up with a large stack of five dollar bills
3 or 400 dollars should do
she'll probably gift wrap it then
show up with a large stack of five dollar bills
3 or 400 dollars should do
she'll probably gift wrap it then
Yes, she is a scale and a thief. The police and lawyers won't help. Here's how the police questioning goes. "Ma'am, this man says that you have a rifle that was willed to him." She answers "No officer, I don't have the rifle. He must be mistaken". The officer says: "Thank you for your time Ma'am".
If you have the will with serial number listed, you could call the police with the rifle in hand. It could go either way for you. You would be breaking your word and dropping to her bottom feeding level. You will also insure none of the other guns come your way.
Pay the $1000 or try to get her to take less.
If she has property that you could get a lien against, you could try taking her to small claims court after you have the rifle. It only costs the filing fee and a little time.
If you have the will with serial number listed, you could call the police with the rifle in hand. It could go either way for you. You would be breaking your word and dropping to her bottom feeding level. You will also insure none of the other guns come your way.
Pay the $1000 or try to get her to take less.
If she has property that you could get a lien against, you could try taking her to small claims court after you have the rifle. It only costs the filing fee and a little time.
Dallas Jack
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Put her off with a promise to pay when you get the money after making sure she indeed has "the gun".
Pay a lawyer a retainer and find out what your legal standing is concerning all the guns left to you. This may end up in the small claims court with nothing better than a judgement against her, which may be enough to get her to surrender your property.
I would never pay someone for my own property. But that's just me.
Good luck.
Dallas Jack
Pay a lawyer a retainer and find out what your legal standing is concerning all the guns left to you. This may end up in the small claims court with nothing better than a judgement against her, which may be enough to get her to surrender your property.
I would never pay someone for my own property. But that's just me.
Good luck.
Dallas Jack
The Lawyer Idea is great and all but the $1000 will probably be cheaper for you considering the rates most (good) attorneys charge.
Just buy it before she sells it for drugs to someone else or before it's confiscated and ends up destroyed.
Just buy it before she sells it for drugs to someone else or before it's confiscated and ends up destroyed.
heavyshooter
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I can't help but notice your reference to her drug addiction. Wouldn't you just be giving her a whole lot of money that she would be using to get high? I would let the gun go if you have to give her $1,000 in dope money.
Dallas Jack
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A lawyer shouldn't be expensive unless he/she is called on to represent you. A small retainer should get you in to discuss your situation.
Good luck.
Dallas Jack
Good luck.
Dallas Jack
mossberg
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He doesn't have to watch out for her health and safety, and I know I wouldn't for any "shifty characters".
Show up with $300 in singles, in an ice-cream pail: Walk out with grandpa's Garand.
Good luck.
Show up with $300 in singles, in an ice-cream pail: Walk out with grandpa's Garand.
Good luck.
wyocarp
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I know that was a ways back and there have been other comments about her that are not so nice and I would say you have to treat a snake like it is a snake.
People can be difficult. I have a similar situation. My sister has one of my father's guns and I've asked and even suggested I'd buy it but she always says "No". She has even lectured me about the gun and how it had never been fired, etc. etc. What's weird is that she has no interest in guns, never had any interest in guns, and hated our father. So, go figure.
Maybe we could introduce these two ladies to each other. Sounds like they would make great companions. Both with their rifles.
earlthegoat2
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It sounds like one of those situations where she will sell it to you for 1000 or sell it to anybody with crack for 100.
You can do whatever you have to. Just remember this, dont buy crack to get it back.
You can do whatever you have to. Just remember this, dont buy crack to get it back.
SpecialKalltheway
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He doesn't have to watch out for her health and safety, and I know I wouldn't for any "shifty characters".
Show up with $300 in singles, in an ice-cream pail: Walk out with grandpa's Garand.
Good luck.
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hahahahaha I love how the singles are to be in an ice cream pail. The Americans still have paper dollar, no looneys down here.
and for the record I gave some sensible Canadian advice.
i can't wait to hear about the outcome of this one.
You own it, go get it already!
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He doesn't have to watch out for her health and safety, and I know I wouldn't for any "shifty characters".
Show up with $300 in singles, in an ice-cream pail: Walk out with grandpa's Garand.
Good luck.
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A government is like a fire, a handy servant but a dangerous master.-George Washington"
hahahahaha I love how the singles are to be in an ice cream pail. The Americans still have paper dollar, no looneys down here.
and for the record I gave some sensible Canadian advice.
i can't wait to hear about the outcome of this one.
You own it, go get it already!
You need to verify that the rifle is actually there. Drug addicts can not be trusted.
You need to look it over carefully enough to evaluate it's fair market value. It may have been used/stored in such a way that it's value is destroyed. Regardless, do some research. Print it out and take that info with you. You may find that the rifle is at best a lower CMP grade and not worth anything close to $1,000.
Take a notarized copy of the will with you.
Decide after looking the rifle over and determining what the CMP grade is and what the fair market value would be whether you'd rather pay for the rifle to avoid a confrontation. Decide if you're going to offer her 30% below the fair market value like a dealer would or if you're going to offer her 70% below the fair market value like a pawn shop would as a way of getting your property for less than her asking price (it is a negotiation after all) or whether you're going to pay the CMP price or whether you're going to pay her asking price. Feel free to wave the cash in her face.
If you're willing to trigger a confrontation, you should discuss this with family ahead of time, provide a copy of the will to her after examining the rifle and tell her that she has to turn the rifle over to you or you are calling the cops and that you're going to wait for them to arrive so you can explain the situation in full to the officers (she was trying to sell the rifle to you to raise money for drugs) and that she can deal with them and the possible search of her residence.
You need to look it over carefully enough to evaluate it's fair market value. It may have been used/stored in such a way that it's value is destroyed. Regardless, do some research. Print it out and take that info with you. You may find that the rifle is at best a lower CMP grade and not worth anything close to $1,000.
Take a notarized copy of the will with you.
Decide after looking the rifle over and determining what the CMP grade is and what the fair market value would be whether you'd rather pay for the rifle to avoid a confrontation. Decide if you're going to offer her 30% below the fair market value like a dealer would or if you're going to offer her 70% below the fair market value like a pawn shop would as a way of getting your property for less than her asking price (it is a negotiation after all) or whether you're going to pay the CMP price or whether you're going to pay her asking price. Feel free to wave the cash in her face.
If you're willing to trigger a confrontation, you should discuss this with family ahead of time, provide a copy of the will to her after examining the rifle and tell her that she has to turn the rifle over to you or you are calling the cops and that you're going to wait for them to arrive so you can explain the situation in full to the officers (she was trying to sell the rifle to you to raise money for drugs) and that she can deal with them and the possible search of her residence.
catspa
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Hey, SATX.
CoRoMo's post got me to thinking. Your grandpa died quite a while ago? So if she sold guns for drug money, I can't see why she wouldn't have sold them all back then.
Here's what I imagine: She ends up someplace where some druggie bud of hers has some stolen guns. She sees a Garand and says, "Hey that looks like one of grandpa's guns I sold for drugs years ago. SATX was supposed to get them, and he really wanted this one bad, but I got them and sold them and got high with the money." One of her druggie buds, perhaps not quite as stoned as the others, says, "HEY! Let's use this gun to scam your nephew out of 1000 bucks! Then we could all get high."
I guess what I'm saying is, like Wyocarp, I believe if a person's a snake, they're always a snake until proven otherwise. Do you have any way to tell if this really was your family gun? Is there a scar on the left side of the stock where you dropped it on the tailgate years ago? If I couldn't positively identify it, I'd be very suspicious about how she sold the rest of them but now she wants you to buy this one from her. Something's fishy here.
Parker, the universal skeptic
CoRoMo's post got me to thinking. Your grandpa died quite a while ago? So if she sold guns for drug money, I can't see why she wouldn't have sold them all back then.
Here's what I imagine: She ends up someplace where some druggie bud of hers has some stolen guns. She sees a Garand and says, "Hey that looks like one of grandpa's guns I sold for drugs years ago. SATX was supposed to get them, and he really wanted this one bad, but I got them and sold them and got high with the money." One of her druggie buds, perhaps not quite as stoned as the others, says, "HEY! Let's use this gun to scam your nephew out of 1000 bucks! Then we could all get high."
I guess what I'm saying is, like Wyocarp, I believe if a person's a snake, they're always a snake until proven otherwise. Do you have any way to tell if this really was your family gun? Is there a scar on the left side of the stock where you dropped it on the tailgate years ago? If I couldn't positively identify it, I'd be very suspicious about how she sold the rest of them but now she wants you to buy this one from her. Something's fishy here.
Parker, the universal skeptic
Update got the will from my dad and made copies then this afternoon went to my aunts and called the police to retrive the rifle, police arrived knocked on door she anwered and then a few minuntes later they had her in cuffs they wouldnt tell what happened but they also had rifle with them, but her boyfriend started cussing at me cause I called police what he told me is that she filed off serial numbers on rifle cause she knew I had will with that info on it. Is fileing the # off is it a felony?
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