Finally! Ruger has a 357 mag bolt rifle!

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if you hadn't unilaterally declared that most if not all Ruger products "Suck". They simply don't.

They don't suck in general, they suck comparatively. There are also a lot of guns that suck next to Ruger offerings. It's all relative.

If they just generally sucked, I would own zero, not 8 of them. If they were comparatively better to others, I'd still have more than 20 of them.

really wonder how many people considering the purchase of a .357 rifle are concerned with how fast you can reload either. Again, it's a non issue.

By that logic, the 77/357 has no advantage over a Contender or Handi-Rifle. I imagine more than a few would beg to differ.

That said, I wasn't really getting at the reloading speed; that was prompted later. My initial point was that the levergun is faster to fire in general, an oft-cited advantage for brush hunting and other close-in uses for carbines.

It's almost as though you are trying to justify your purchase...


What purchase? I'm not in the market for a .357 carbine of any flavor. I have nothing invested either way, just stating some facts and some opinions. You want a 77/357, go for it, have fun with it. I'm sure it'll tickle your pickle. But I don't want one, for all the reasons previously mentioned. Some other folks feel similarly, and some who were undecided have been able to look through these 5 pages of discourse and form their own opinions.
 
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Your current lever action

Make that plural.

I don't need to justify them, I like them better for thier applications due to their attributes of being handier. Do I prefer leverguns to bolt rifles in general? Nope, and and I own more bolt guns. But that doesn't change my opinion (shared by others) that a bolt rifle in a handgun chambering is particularly pointless. Like I said, if it's what you want, have at it. Not gonna hurt my feelings, and you can chat up the Ruger all you want for it's benefits. But unless they prove to be significantly more accurate than a 94 (doubtful, as 94's are pretty accurate and Ruger, with a few exceptions, is not noted as a maker of superbly accurate firearms), the 77/357 has no advantages and gives up one that some of us consider relatively important in this class of firearm.

I'm sure they'll sell a few, but I will wager that it has no chance of displacing the 94 or any other .357 Levergun. I'm still betting fewer than 5 years production. Could be wrong, only time will tell, and if I am, I am. But it really won't make a shred of difference to me either way. It could be out of the catalog by this time next year, or it could be a standard offering when my now-infant daughters have teenaged children of their own, I still ain't gonna have one, and I'll be neither better or worse off for it's production or lack therof.
 
I just like to make the correction that I should have been referencing the 94 marlin above. I don't know why I typed 95, I've never owned one of those.

Mach4 why are you here shouting from the roof tops justifying your non purchase? You don't want one GOOD now go find another thread to troll. I don't know what it is but ANY time ANY thing rifle related comes out that moves into what the levergun guys deem their turf the jack gun trolls come out of the woodwork full of butthurt and fake indignation doing nothing but bashing and and acting like we don't know what their 150 year old platform does.

It was that way when I was posting about my 460s&w carbine reloading adventures and it's that way now talking about rugers expanded lineup.


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Mach4 why are you here shouting from the roof tops justifying your non purchase?

A bit of an exaggeration, don't ya think? I don't recall ever saying "This awful, absolutely worthless pile of Ruger junk shouldn't be allowed to burden the shelves of gunshops".

I just stated my opinions, same as you. If that's trolling from your perspective, then there's a definite hypocrisy in telling me to

go find another thread to troll


I don't know what it is but ANY time ANY thing rifle related comes out that moves into what the levergun guys deem their turf the jack gun trolls come out of the woodwork full of butthurt and fake indignation doing nothing but bashing and and acting like we don't know what their 150 year old platform does.

Your assumption. If they'd introduced an autoloader, I'd actually think it was pretty cool (still hate rotary mags, though). But it's not an autoloader, it's another 150 year old design that's even slower to operate than the 150 year old design you reference.

Also, I'm not really a "levergun guy". I have 5. I have more than forty bolt guns, including Rugers.

I don't know why you're so upset that some of us don't particularly like this thing, nor why you've chosen to engage me in particular versus others who share my opinion. Perhaps because I call a spade a spade, and do so without worrying about hurting your feelings? I dunno, but I am finding it kind of amusing that I've gotten a couple of you so fired up here. I mean, really? It's not like you're building the guns and I'm insulting you personally by calling them mediocre.
 
I was just reading the ruger owners manual and this is what it reads (cut and paste) "The RUGER MODEL 77/357TM is chambered only for the centerfire .357
Magnum cartridge and should not be used with any other .357 caliber ammunition." Lucky for me the dillon 550 doesn't mind what cases I feed it. For those that don't reload this might be an issue.
 
Ruger Says this:

The 77/357 will usually function well when loaded with .38 Special. However, the left over space in the magazine allows .38 Special cartridges room to migrate, occasionally to where the rim of the top round gets caught behind the rim of the round below, causing a “rim lock” jam. The incidence rate of this malfunction is fairly low, and varies by ammunition type. If you want to shoot .38 Special in your 77/357 you are welcome to do so, but you can’t blame your gun if it does not function perfectly! The gun was designed to shoot, and will shoot best, with 357 Magnum ammunition.

I reload so it is a non issue. I will just use .357 brass which I have tons of...

Again, POI will be off with the .38, so I will just come up with a good load and call it a day.
 
The reason he called you a troll is that the entire thread was discussing the new Ruger 77/357. Most of us were discussing this rifle, yet you seem to wish to make a point of not comparing the two platforms for general consumption, but rather letting us all know how you have made the better decision.

The same would follow if I entered a "Look at Glock's new entry" thread, and continued to proclaim how great my HKs/Sigs/etc are, and how lacking Glock's new entry is. After one comparison, the remainder becomes self serving.

The biggest problem with your post is that the moderators will soon close down what was an informative and enjoyable thread.
 
ECVMATT I must have missed that part, I couldn't imagine rounds rims overlapping by bouncing around in the mag due to tiny amounts of recoil that 38's provide or by just working the action or under any circumstance really. I guess we will see.

Dobe, couldn't have said it better myself. 6254 posts Haha, I couldn't imagine why
 
The main advantage of the rotary mag bolt action 77/357 over a comparable lever gun is the ease and safety of loading and unloading. I have lever-action .357s and .44s. They are a hoot to shoot. But since I bought my 77/44, I don't take them hunting much anymore. I get tired of having to rack a tube full of shells thru the gun every time I need to unload it. Popping in a rotary mag is much easier than feeding a tube full thru a loading gate also. It is a lightweight, easy to maneuver brush gun that has more than enough power to take any deer within range.

Because of the range limitation of handgun ammo, accuracy and ease of loading and unloading, it may very well be my granddaughters first deer gun. Having to unload it with small, cold, glove wearing hands will be much safer than any of my levers. Because a scope mounted so easily and fits the lines of the gun, not only does it make easier for these old eyes to shoot accurately, it should make it easier for her younger less experienced eyes to get a good and clear sight picture. No, I won't be dumping my levers anytime soon as they are too much fun shooting at the range when emptying the tube magazines means pulling the trigger. Whether or not I buy a 77/357 is yet to be determined, and altho is not the perfect gun for everybody, I see a large niche that they will fill.


BTW....the 77/44 I bought lists for slightly more than the 77/357 and was bought for right around $550 OTD. This included a set of Ruger rings.
 
Re:Mach IV Shooter

I just stated my opinions, same as you.

You are right, you are entitiled to your opinion and everyone is entitled to theirs. But, strong opinions should be backed by strong facts.

You go to a doctor and an x-ray reveals something disturbing. Most doctors will then run other tests before rendering an opinion. That way he can back up what he says, espically if it is bad news.

I have owned several different Ruger firearms. None of them gave me a lick of trouble. Some were also very accurate. I have never owned a Ruger shotgun, so I have no way to form an opinion.

Yes, you are probably being dog-piled. But you posted a response that uses the word suck in reference to Rugers. That is a strong adjective. If I said a guns sucks, it would have to be inaccurate, have major reliability problems, or be assembled poorly. I would have to personally fired the weapon or witnessed someone else doing so.
 
The reason he called you a troll is that the entire thread was discussing the new Ruger 77/357. Most of us were discussing this rifle, yet you seem to wish to make a point of not comparing the two platforms for general consumption, but rather letting us all know how you have made the better decision.

I'm sorry, I guess I missed the disclaimer in the OP that read "This thread is for specific discussion of the new 77/357 by Ruger fanboys only; Dissenters are unwelcome and no other firearm may be mentioned"

I also had no intention of going down this road at the onset, but conjecture such as:
I don't think Ruger would be in business if they didn't study their market to determine what would sell.

Just left the door wide open to argue Ruger's judgement on what they do or don't build. From there, it has gone here.

As for the insinuation that I'm "letting you know I made the better decision"; How so? When I bought my 94, this rifle didn't even exist. And I've done plenty of comparing the two, if you'll actually read my posts instead of just jumping on this bandwagon. I know it makes a few of you feel good to collectively defend your pet, but it isn't constructive or endearing.

The biggest problem with your post is that the moderators will soon close down what was an informative and enjoyable thread.

Tick-Tock....................still waiting. They aren't going to for what I've said, but certain other comments that push the limits of THR attack policies are another matter:

Dobe, couldn't have said it better myself. 6254 posts Haha, I couldn't imagine why


But, strong opinions should be backed by strong facts.

Since when is that requisite? I don't need "facts" to strongly opine that Megan Fox is a beautiful young woman. That's the whole point of opinion:


Opinion (noun)-

1: a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter
2: belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

You go to a doctor and an x-ray reveals something disturbing. Most doctors will then run other tests before rendering an opinion. That way he can back up what he says, espically if it is bad news.

A professional medical "opinion" is a little different than one's personal taste in goods, don't you think? What I think of a particular gun won't affect anyone else's life, but a doctor telling someone it is his opinion that they have cancer would be absolutely devastating, even if he is proven wrong shortly.

Similarly, when I offer someone my professional opinion on whether or not their car is worth fixing, there are facts involved in rendering it.

All that said, if someone asked for my opinion on this rifle, having not yet shot it, I would tell them that it is probably well made and reasonably accurate, but that I feel it has a handicap when compared to lever actions in the same chambering.

Yes, you are probably being dog-piled. But you posted a response that uses the word suck in reference to Rugers. That is a strong adjective. If I said a guns sucks, it would have to be inaccurate, have major reliability problems, or be assembled poorly. I would have to personally fired the weapon or witnessed someone else doing so.

Well, I didn't say that this particular rifle sucks, because I've not yet handled one. I also didn't say that Ruger's suck (once again, read my posts, as I've reiterated this several times). In point of fact, I said that Rugers are of "decent overall quality" (post #68, unedited), and in my breakdown I gave them all the nod for being decent guns, but that they suck compared to certain other guns of the same type and similar price. If you want, I can go into detail with the reasons I have those opinions, but that's going to be a very long post, and none of you are actually reading most of what I've written anyway.

So ya'll dogpile away, doesn't bother me. You're not changing my mind or certain facts by doing so
 
I didn't have the patience to read the whole thread, so it may have been covered. The advantage I see to this is rifle that it will be easy to suppress. The lever actions are complicated to suppress because of the magazine tube. You hang any 9 mm can on the Ruger and go to town with subsonic ammo.
 
Re:Mach IV Shooter

Since when is that requisite?

Since it make the person that opines sound intelligent.

Several years ago there was a study done to show that often, the more a person brags and acts like they know-it-all, the less they actually do. Making blanket statements doesn't help.
 
I didn't have the patience to read the whole thread, so it may have been covered. The advantage I see to this is rifle that it will be easy to suppress. The lever actions are complicated to suppress because of the magazine tube. You hang any 9 mm can on the Ruger and go to town with subsonic ammo.
Yep -- it was referenced a couple of times.

Kind'a brings to mind the old British Delisle "Commando" carbine based on an Enfield action and modified 1911 .45 acp magazines, doesn't it?


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Since it make the person that opines sound intelligent.


Fair enough, except that as I said, none of you are really reading all I've written anyway. I did outline examples of firearms I feel outclass the Rugers, and gave some of the reasons. But as I said, to detail everything is going to be a very long post that doesn't really belong here. Like, an entire page in the thread.

Once again, I had no intention of getting this far off track, but the assertion that Ruger excels at market research and making only products that will sell beckoned dissention, because the truth is they've had a great many flops. The fanboys jumping on me for pointing that out is what led into discussion of Ruger making rather boring, middle of the road guns. Ruger's own arrogance in the "Countdown to something new and exciting" on their website, only to reveal another ho-hum firearm that's a day late and a dollar short, further exemplifies this.
 
OK OK here's what you do mach4 if you want folks to actually read and respond to your overall opinion of ruger and their product as a company.

Take your first post select it and click "copy". Then head over to general discussion and click on the "start new thread", paste the copied post into the message window. All that will be left to do is come up with a lame and marginally offensive thread tittle.

VIOLA! you now have the same thread you can then orbit around to attempt to gain the positive reinforcement you obviously so desperately crave and we'll be left free to discuss the one and only gun we wish to discuss in this thread, the 77/357


Have fun and good luck! Don't look for me to follow you over to the other thread.

BTW anything other than the above by you at this point is obvious and blatant trolling.


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It would be nice to lock this thread that start a new thread that focuses on the rifle only. I believe the GunBlast guys are getting a rifle for testing on Monday or Tuesday and could provide some real experience with the rifle. That would be a good starting point.
 
Good idea ECVMatt, this has been the most un-highroad thread I've read in awhile. I even looked at some other forums to read about the rifle :eek:!
I still think a tube fed option would be cool.
 
(...blankety-blank High-Road moderators locking every friggin' thread ... won't let folks say what they want to say ... buncha censoring Nazi control freaks ... wish they'd keep their darned hands off and let a thread run once in a while ...)

<...shrug...>
 
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