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"Find Compromise in Gun Debate"

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Winchester 73, Feb 13, 2008.

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  1. AndyC

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    I'm just idly musing here, but has anyone else notice the apparent olive-branches coming at us from various sources? With all the gains our side has made of late - and hopefully those to come - it's interesting how the suggestions for compromise are starting to arrive from the opposition.

    I'm sure they believe that they're generally on the retreat on various fronts (yay us!) - but while they're still able and willing enough to launch strong flanking assaults eg. the microstamping firearms and bullets lunacy, I'm in no mood to grant them the *cough* compromise they ask for.
     
  2. K3

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    AndyC: IMO the 'bullet bills' are not a flanking assault. They are the new Schwerpunkt. It's been said by many on these forums that the ammo was how they'd get it done, and now it's starting to come to fruition. Starting. The game is still early, and active contact with legislators on both the state and federal levels is very important as is contacting ammunition manufacturers.
     
  3. ClickClickD'oh

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    I don't believe for a second the author is talking about legal FTF sales. In fact, I don't think he even knows what a legal FTF sale is. Consider the wording of the sentence and it's placement. Notice how he tosses it in after his comment about flooding the inner city with guns? Large quantities of guns are still in the readers, and authors, mind. People who sell out of cars are "nobody's friend'? Well, they must be bad people then, since they are nobody's friend. They can't be doing anything legal. They're flooding the inner city with guns out of the backs of their cars... A virtual icecream man of guns. At least, that's what I believe the author was trying to imply.

    If you think he was talking about legal FTF sales as yourself this... when was the last time you saw an anti that actually could explain the "dreaded" Gun show loophole? I have yet to meet one. I bet that Antis who know about legal FTF sales and FFL transfers are equally as rare.
     
  4. AndyC

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    Outflanking wins battles - you just roll up the other guy's entire line. I used the term specifically with that knowledge in mind, so I think I'll stick with it ;)
     
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    I'd like to add to my earlier post about Mr. Pitts. He seemed to be the kind of guy who will really listen to facts and think about them. I'm not saying he's going to change his mind at the drop of a hat, but he does appear to listen to facts and respond in kind. IOW, I don't believe ranting at him will do a bit of good.

    John
     
  6. K3

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    Fair enough.

    I viewed it more as a Soviet style offensive. Attack everywhere and when the weak point is found and exploited, pour the mobile reserves into it, reinforcing success. ;)

    Either way, I agree that compromise is out of the question. Enough of that's been done already and guesss which side got all the gain from it?
     
  7. auschip

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    Well, I'm not required to register a car if i'm not taking it out on the open road. So I wouldn't be required to register any firearm i'm not going to carry in public?

    Then again the right to own/drive a car isn't a protected amendment in the Constitution either ...
     
  8. K3

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    In spirit, it could very well be considered protected.

    People have to be able to get around freely and unimpeded to do business and for the nation to function. Before cars, there was no registration or licensing for means of conveyance. Can you imagine the uproar if a man in the 1870s had to get a Wagon License or a Horse License?

    The Constitution is better read when looking at what it specifically allows rather than what it doesn't say.

    Besides, licensing of vehicles and drivers is a state matter. For now.
     
  9. Hardware

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    We've been compromising since 1934. We are not one whit safer than we were in 1933. I'm through compromising and I won't be satisfied until every piece of rights-stripping legislation is repealed and a federal preemption is established.

    If anyone can show me a single piece of rights-stripping legislation that can be demonstrated as having saved a life I might back off a bit. But I've got $20 that says you can't.
     
  10. Deanimator

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    Those "olive branches" kind of remind me of Heinrich Himmler's offer to "bury the hatchet with the Jews" when he started to see the handwriting on the wall in late '44.

    No thanks Heinrich, I think I'll just keep sitting here knitting you a hemp necktie...
     
  11. Winchester 73

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    JohnBT,you are correct.I've exchanged several emails with Mr.Pitts.
    Unlike so many liberals, he can be reasoned with and some of his columns are lucid.
    And ranting will not do a bit of good,also right on target.
     
  12. Mike OTDP

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    I'll offer him a compromise.

    The gun-grabbers give up totally, and we won't prosecute them for conspiracy to violate civil rights.
     
  13. geekWithA.45

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    The devil's inthe details, so let's look at them:


    Ask Jim Zumbo about that one, why don'tcha? And in any event, it's a straw argument. He doesn't care what assault weapons are used for, as long as they're banned.

    When was the last time anyone saw a Lorcin truck backing up into the ghetto, and tipping a load of guns out?

    Oh, wait, I get it! POOR PEOPLE SHOULDN'T HAVE GUNS, because they're unable to control themselves.


    I bought a gun from a trunk. From my best friend. It was a really good deal. And he's a really good friend.


    I'll concede that if he'll concede that voting should be dependent on showing definitive ID, a background check, and passing literacy and civics tests.


    It sure is. There is one, and only one reason to register: to control, either immediately or at some future time, who has access to arms.

    Well, there we agree in principle, but not in particulars. There's an exact parallel here to "abstinence education". Conservatives would have teens "just say no to drugs, sex and alcohol", and Liberals would have everyone "just say no" to guns. Both approaches are doomed.
     
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    Just reading the first paragraph of Pitts article I knew he had no real understanding of the Constitution. It gives no rights. It assumes we have these rights and specifies which can't be infringed upon. He has his God given right to free speech and the Constitution protects it from government control.
     
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    Well since a couple of you said he tends to reply I decided to write him:

    I'll update if he responds.
     
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    Soybomb, great letter. Very well stated.
     
  17. Guntalk

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    People! People!

    We have to be willing to compromise. It's how all this works.

    I have been pushing for compromise for years.

    Here's the compromise.

    Rather than repeal ALL the gun control laws, we will compromise and settle for repealing only 10 percent per year.

    We don't get all we want right now, but it's a sacrifice we have to make.

    Can't we all just get along?
     
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    Can we pick the first 10%? :)
     
  19. The Annoyed Man

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    NRA-ILA on the Miller case (which was about 70 years ago):
    Leonard Pitts is misrepresenting the Miller decision, and he patently does not know what he is talking about.
     
  20. kludge

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    People that want you to open your mind want you to accept their closed-minded point of view.
     
  21. hso

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    He was doing so well, and then the myths come out.

    Assault weapon? Todays version of P17s and 03s used to hunt deer? How does a "manufacturer" that doesn't sell to anyone but dealers flood a neighborhood with anything? Children shooting children? Is he talking about 8 year olds (which everyone agrees is bad) or 16 year old bangers? Pffft!
     
  22. Deanimator

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    Remember, during the Clinton administration, they described anything up to ***24*** as "children".
     
  23. ObeOne

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    As others have said, I find it interesting how many of these reporters and liberals define compromise.
    Kind of like the example of a mugger deciding only deciding to take part of you money and not all of it and calling that a compromise. Too bad they want to use a double standard when looking at too many things.
    I also agree that education is the key to win.
     
  24. Poper

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    Ooookay.
    And you concede you don't need broadcast media for political discussion?

    :banghead::banghead:
    As though this actually happens??? In reality, poor folks should have access to quality, inexpensive handguns that fit within their budget. I don't see a price association in the Constitution for the exercise of ANY right.

    And Journalists concede Politicians should not be permitted to flood poor, violence-prone neighborhoods with race-baiting, negative campaign advertisements?

    How does one begin to educate a person with such an apparently limited critical thinking skillset?:banghead::banghead::banghead:

    Does their viewpoint get adjusted when they or a close loved one is murdered, raped or robbed?:confused:

    My $0.02.

    Poper
     
  25. mike101

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    What this boob doesn't understand is that the Bill of Rights doesn't grant any rights at all. It enumerates and guarantees existing rights. The RKBA already existed when 2A was written.

    The Militia is cited as the reason for providing the guarantee, not as the reason for the existance of the right itself.
     
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