Find myself wanting a Romak 3 (PSL)

[WardenWolf]

I was actually correct. Have you ever paid attention to the documentation that comes with a Saiga? They give you a sheet telling you how accurate they tested your particular rifle to. People have gotten certifications with equivalents exceeding 3" spread of impact (these are called Vodka specials, by the way). Saiga .308's average 1.5" to 2". A good PSL can potentially give you up to .75". Most will give 1" to 1.5". You're still operating at a level better than that of a Saiga. They're held to different standards. The PSL is also a lighter weight rifle, and is loaded to the brim with features like a muzzle brake and a recoil-dampening stock. It all depends on what you're willing to settle for and pay for. A bone stock Saiga .308 is going to be cheaper, yes, but it's never going to be a PSL. And no matter what you do to it, it's always going to be heavier, probably less accurate, kick harder, and have more expensive ammo.

 

[elmerfudd]

Well, so far all my Saigas with the exception of the shotgun are outshooting my PSL. I've got both and for accuracy, neither will hold a candle to a good free floated AR or Remington 700. I'm not trying to slam the PSL, I've just never found it to be more than a 3 MOA rifle. Now considering that you get a new semi-automatic rifle in 7.62x54R with scope, 4 mags, bayonet and case for around $750 I don't think that's bad at all.

 

[turkeythigh]

i would rather go for the psl. it also looks way cooler than the saiga.

 

[Girodin]

i believe Girodin said it best. not exactly his words but 1000.00$$ will get ya a saiga with the bells and whistles that the PSL shows up with for 750.00.

Perhaps I didn't make my point exactly right, that is not exactly what I was getting at. One can have a Saiga with the "bells and whistles" (a muzzles break or what have you PSL) for less than $1K. If one wants to have a saiga that looks just like a PSL, well that cost one gentleman $1k. If you are solely after the look then IMO one would be wise to by a PSL. If function is the sole question it is not so cut and dry.

The Saiga won't shoot as good as the PSL, either.

How can you be so sure? I know of exemplars of Saigas that will outshoot PSLs I am sure the inverse can be found as well.

People have gotten certifications with equivalents exceeding 3" spread of impact (these are called Vodka specials, by the way).

No that really isn't what a "vodka special" refers to. It references issues such as canted sights or too few gasports etc. Furthermore, a quickle fired grouping at the factory to test function with who knows what as ammo is not very indicative of the potential accuracy of any rifle.

Saiga .308's average 1.5" to 2". A good PSL can potentially give you up to .75".

I have to laugh at comparing the most ideal (and likely very exceptional) exemplar of one model against the average of another. I have not verifiable data of what the average PSL grouping is nor what most PSLs are capable of but I will say that I highly doubt that most or even many can consistantly shoot 1" groups at 100 yards. I am sure you have seen Saiganoobs groupings on the siaga forum. They are very impressive but I would not on account of them declare all saigas as more acurate than ______ (fill in the blank with the PSL or other rifle of your choice).

My point in mentioning the Saiga initialy was not to turn this into a PSL vs S308 thread. Perhaps we should make one of those though. Rather it was to counter the idea that there was no other medium caliber semi auto available for the same price.

As I said early I would like to someday get a PSL, mostly for its looks and just to have one. Those are valid reasons to buy. I am sure they are fun guns and ammo is still relatively inexpesnive. They wouldn't be my choice for any serious use and a .308 caliber gun is much much more veratile than a PSL in 7.62x54R IMO. I would suggest to read up on the platform (note that very few other people will claim them to be 1 MOA rifles) so you know what you are getting. If you like the PSL and are okay with a 2-3 MOA rifle there is no reason not to get one. If you are expecting consitent 1 MOA performance as some suggest it will provide you proabbly will be disappointed.

 

[alpinemike]

Yeah I have to put in a disclaimer here. I only know what I have read and My limited experience. I have noticed a couple things while shooting with the psl.
The performance varied depending on the ammo I was shooting. No brain-er I guess, but the difference was pretty clear. I opened google earth, went to my rock quarry and used the terrain ruler to measure out the longest shot I was making last Thursday. About 80 yrds. I spent 30 rounds adjusting the scope. (on a 19.00$ bean bag) on the fourth mag we hit into a sweet spot. My last ten grouped fairly solid in a @ 2.00 inch group. My shots made 1 to 2 seconds apart. many hitting the last hole just off center and several "wild shots" out on the edge of this 2.00" field. All ammo was Russian 147 grn surp from J&G. Bulgy wouldn't hold anything better than say 3.00" the Russian jammed three times of 100. The Bulgy 0/100. For what its worth, It was the first time out with this rifle, My first time shooting for targets in this manor. And the fist time I have ever attempted to site in a scope. None of the conditions were ideal. But,the end result was a 2 inch dark spot out there that kept getting darker. I have no doubt that done right this rifle will do far better. 80 yards 2.00 circle. well its more than 2 MOA True, I know. Point is I wasn't even trying. I was shooting from a cheap bag on my belly in the dirt with a silly rubber cuppy thing smacking me in the eye.

Guys, I think if you get a solid example (cause yup, some are...mm.. a bit shabby ), use a good hand load, and practice the PSL would prove to be better than Your giving it credit for. Most of us know the U.S. high end AR M4 style rifles are far better built to far greater tolerances.

 

[alpinemike]

ok thats it!! hahaha!!!

Some how this went from a guy looking for info, to some guys debating and such.

my decision came down to these things. the psl was cool right outta the box. the saiga was cheap, but it would need allot of changes. my local gunsmith is far more expensive than the "Lucky guys" who chimed in earlier. at ary rate as i said i did look into this. in fact i looked in to this for 4 years!! 4 years reading, comparing and going for the saiga then for the psl.


both are fine rifles. Have a nice day. ohio gun guy, i hope you got ...any thing worth a damn outta this runaway thread ....sorry if all ya got was irritated.