Firearm Confiscation

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I doubt that you will see them over-step with attempts at confiscation. But if they did, you basically have four kinds of people in the ranks of those who would have to do the dirty work:

1. The true believers (in government) who will do what they are told to the best of their ability.

2. The bullies who will jump at the chance to crack a few heads or shoot a few people.

3. Those who are not only our kindred spirits, but will also have the huevos to take a stand and refuse to be a part of it, if not actively resist.

4. Those who are our kindred spirits, but will struggle with the choice of doing what is right and feeding their families.

The folks in the last category are the people we need to be paying attention to the most.
 
What confiscation? Who in the Obama administration has even mentioned confiscation? How do you logically argue, and with what evidence, that the Government will soon be rounding up all of our guns? When the 94 assault rifle ban became law there was NOT the slightest attempt to initiate a gun round-up. The 2nd amendment will survive any possible new assault rifle and large capacity magazine ban. There won't be federal agents or the military coming door-to-door asking for everyone's guns. So let's all calm down.
I get a giggle when people who pretty much registered themselves with the government as gun owners in exchange for their "permission" to carry a concealed firearm rail about potential confiscation. It's like they don't even realize that they pretty much made such a thing MORE possible. Pogo was correct.

(I am not saying anyone posting here actually did such a thing...just sayin)
 
I am just curious, when the day comes that the government wants to confiscate everyone's firearms, who do you think will be tasked with job of physically removing them from people's homes?

Also, do you think a lot of those people will refuse the order?
IMO ...

I don't think that day will ever arrive in the US, but if it did, whoever is tasked with inspection & confiscation had better be prepared for a LOT of ... let's call it "resistance" ... from fewer than I would hope but many more than I would expect.
 
Halal, your examples are very localized incidents though. Logistically, far easier to pull off.
I'd mention two points:

1. Politicians in Washington, by and large, aren't exactly the most innovative people in the world. They often use models found at the state or local level to develop their policies and strategies. There's no doubt in my mind they've examined what's been tried before at any level whether it's practicable at the national level or not.

"The government consists of a gang of men exactly like you and me. They have, taking one with another, no special talent for the business of government; they have only a talent for getting and holding office."

2. How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. If a nationwide strategy seems unrealistic, the next best thing would be to drive the effort at the state and local level in places that offer the most promising opportunities.

So I think it is worthwhile to flesh out policies that have already been implemented, proposed, or planned for even if we find their examples on a much smaller scale.
 
"I am just curious, when the day comes that the government wants to confiscate everyone's firearms, who do you think will be tasked with job of physically removing them from people's homes?

Also, do you think a lot of those people will refuse the order? "



The error here is in thinking of this as "when the day comes..."

There won't be a "day". There will be weeks, months, years, decades. This is a long haul effort, not a "hail Mary" play.

It is an exceedingly simple, and exceedingly efficient manner, to accomplish this over a period of time by a variety of very simple means, such as:

1. Establish and promote a hotline people can call and turn in suspected gun owners who may be in violation of any gun laws. As part of that, offer some nominal reward.

2. Change the police paradigm with respect to questioning of suspects and how they approach certain "routine" procedures. For example, pushing for more "probable cause" events in traffic stops. If a person is found to have a firearm in a vehicle illegally, whether or not the weapon itself is compliant with the laws, this may also be deemed to be probable cause for a search warrant involving your home.

3. We're seeing more invasion of privacy issues with respect to the medical community and firearms. Information gleened from this may eventually be used as "probably cause" for search warrants.

4. As more and more databases tie in together with information on gun owners and various registration and accounting methods, expect law enforcement to be able to eventually tie together information to make reasonable suspicion determination on whether or not any given citizen may or may not have a certain type of firearm (or ammunition). If it's known that Citizen Joe has, or had at one time, a certain firearm, then it's a simple matter to find SOMETHING Citizen Joe does which will meet the wicket for probable cause.


Scenario: Federal records show that Citizen Joe bought a Baretta 92FS 10 years ago, when 15 round magazines were standard. Law enforcement knows where Citizen Joe lives and what Citizen Joe drives. Law enforcement also knows Citizen Joe carrys a concealed weapons permit. Law enforcement watches Citizen Joe run a stop sign in his subdivision. During the traffic stop, the officer finds probable cause and conducts a vehicle search. A Baretta 92FS is found in the vehicle with an illegal 15 round magazine. Weapon and magazine confiscated, Citizen Joe is arrested. On the basis that where there is one illegal weapon there are likely to be more, a search warrant is obtained to search Citizen Joe's house and more are rounded up.


AND GET THIS: Even if this scenario is battled in court and thrown out because the initial probable cause was found bogus and law enforcement had no legal right to do what they did the way they went about it, Citizen Joe will never get any of his former property back because it is still, in itself, "illegal". And good ole Citizen Joe is out at least thousands for the court costs, too.


The bottom line here is that there are any number of ways that authorities can, over time, confiscate growing numbers of firearms without ever having to conduct a massive confiscation move.

Someone else in THR recently said this is a game of chess, not checkers. (I'd credit him if I remembered who it was.) That means it's all about strategy and attrition in a game with complex rules and moves; making small moves now for small gains which eventually result in checkmate.
Minor pieces which can be used to clear the path for major pieces and increase their effectiveness. Major pieces that can circumvent others by going around them.


One does not have to be a conspiracy nut to think outside the box here. So quit thinking of confiscation in a "brute force" fashion and start thinking about it in terms of "finesse" in which you have years and decades in which to accomplish the final goal.
 
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1. Establish and promote a hotline people can call and turn in suspected gun owners who may be in violation of any gun laws. As part of that, offer some nominal reward.

My neighbors have done this to me twice so far. No hotline or reward involved. They just hate me and guns and are nosier than Gladys Kravitz.
Some days I wish I had an attached garage.
 
They've already started it in NYC.. in one year, you're a felon if you have any number (about all) of guns. Maybe it'll kinda be like a drug similarity where houses/cars (all contents) etc etc are siezed where they are found. There'd be good incentive for the state to "make" some easy cash.
 
My neighbors have done this to me twice so far. No hotline or reward involved. They just hate me and guns and are nosier than Gladys Kravitz.
Some days I wish I had an attached garage.
Sending the police around because you suspect your neighbor may be up to no good when you have no reason to believe a crime has even been committed is a terrible idea. The government encouraging people to do this is an even more terrible idea. Offering people money and creating an incentive to do so is the most terrible. Bad, worse, worst.
 
Sending the police around because you suspect your neighbor may be up to no good when you have no reason to believe a crime has even been committed is a terrible idea. The government encouraging people to do this is an even more terrible idea. Offering people money and creating an incentive to do so is the most terrible. Bad, worse, worst.
It's the perfect "idea" to those wishing it so. and many wish it so, so you know
 
"What confiscation? Who in the Obama administration has even mentioned confiscation?"

If I'm gonna blind-side you in the jaw, I'm certainly not going to announce it first.
 
InkEd;8654415 when the day comes that the government wants to confiscate everyone's firearms said:
That day will only come if you do not defend your rights now. If you have such a sad outlook on the future and have already doomed yourself to confiscation that alone tells me you will be the first to hand them over. Try writing your reps and putting your boots to work in grass roots efforts so they get the point stuff such as bans will not be tolerated so the thought of attempting literally taking them never crosses their mind. Don't think one person can make a difference in grass roots efforts??? look at it this way .... who's our current POTUS...

To answer your second question, I think more will refuse than the Feds thought but I also think you'll see folks that you may have thought were ones that would die with it in their cold dead hands fold immediately. But this is a moot subject because there will not be a BAN much less a confiscation. Too many real defenders of the 2nd and all the rest of the rights to let that happen.
 
There's no allowance for you to leave your guns to your heirs. This means it IS CONFISCATION IN NEW YORK!!! It's just one generation away from total confiscation of the guns they don't want you to have.
This law in NYS is, DEFINITELY, confiscation. Not from YOU, but YOU will die eventually.
 
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