Firearm Confiscation
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Airbrush Artist
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Term Limits will go away too...Thats not a problem if He can supersede Our Constitution..
OpelBlitz
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How so? Please elaborate.
About 30 years ago, if I remember correctly, there was a talk in Jersey of enforcing a proposed gun law (it died in the state Senate) and the Governor said he would use the State police to go from door to door to confiscate the banned guns.
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Okay, people, you need to look at the big picture. Countrywide registration can lead to confiscation. I am looking at todays events but that makes me look at the future too. This guy in office is VERY dangerous and I do not believe anything that comes out of his mouth.
If he decides to ban "assault weapons", that means cease current production. Well, since the Newtown shooting, gun sales have skyrocketed so most that wanted an "assault weapon" has one. Ok, then how do you enforce an assault weapon ban? Well, being that many/most are now registered, the only way to really enforce it is confiscation.
If he decides to ban "assault weapons", that means cease current production. Well, since the Newtown shooting, gun sales have skyrocketed so most that wanted an "assault weapon" has one. Ok, then how do you enforce an assault weapon ban? Well, being that many/most are now registered, the only way to really enforce it is confiscation.
That won't pass. The House Judiciary chairman is my congressman, Bob Goodlatte of VA. There's no way that'll get out of committee.
mcdonl
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Registration is the FIRST step... confiscation IS the second. To believe anything else is naive.
Airbrush Artist
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Corruption Has No Boundaries...
OpelBlitz
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Swing said:
I'm aware of that. But this is little more than a joke - repealing a constitutional amendment is serious business and would not happen. It won't even leave the House.
RetiredUSNChief
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I'm gonna have to disagree with this.
Having served a couple decades in the military myself, I can assure you that there are at least as many servicemembers, percentage-wise, who own personal firearms. They have no more desire, and probably even less, than the average civilian gun owner to give up their privately owned firearms.
To top that off, using federal troops against civilians is a HUGE move, and it's not going to happen outside of some kind of national emergency.
And even if it does...remember that our troops are volunteers, who come from all walks of civilian life. They are well aware of their roots. So to think that the troops will just "follow orders without blinking an eye" does a great disservice to them.
If we have troops who will speak out against, say, mandatory Anthrax vaccinations due to health and safety concerns, even to the point of ending their careers, don't think for a minute that we won't have troops speak out against a move to confiscate privately owned firearms.
What will more likely happen is a slow progression of ever increasing restrictions over a matter of decades. This is a war of attrition. Nip and tuck here and there until it becomes both not profitable for firearms companies to exist any more and people end up giving up their firearms for a variety of reasons.
When it becomes too difficult to comply with all the restrictions in order to participate fully in your gun hobbies, then your gun activities will die off.
When it becomes too expensive to engage in your gun hobbies the way you want to, then your gun activities will die off.
As you grow older and your children, grand children, and great grand children become progressivley less interested in firearms and related hobbies, their desire to own them will die off as well.
As society becomes more lenient to the ever increasing restrictions, every event that will allow it will see another change in the laws. More and more people will eventually make the decision that it becomes less worth it.
And if an armed rebellion happens? Well, now there is an obvious justification for the government to step in and stomp it flat. Everybody makes a big deal about why the 2nd Amendment is there. Take a good, hard look at the U.S. Constitution, Article I, Sections 8 and 9. And yes, the authority for the president to act is recognized by the Supreme Court.
Please give our troops the benefit of the doubt, here. They are as affected by these trying times as we are because of who and where they come from.
berettaprofessor
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I have no illusions, in this day and age, of being able to hide them effectively. And if they're buried, I can't use them.
breakingcontact
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Don't think it will go like that, not when you can slowly disarm everyone by not allowing transfers of ever increasing categories of weapons.
GlowinPontiac
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They will probably make it that misdemeanors now prohibit you from owning firearms the same as a felony. Then they will make minor traffic offenses misdemeanors.
Get a speeding ticket? Cops go right to your house and seize your guns.
Not sur if this would work at the federal level but it could probably work at the state level.
Get a speeding ticket? Cops go right to your house and seize your guns.
Not sur if this would work at the federal level but it could probably work at the state level.
a-sheepdog
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Being in local law enforcement, I assure you that I will never violate anyones second amendment rights, though I can not say the same for the military or homeland security. I think that those that believe that the confiscation of firearms is not possible are shying away from what I believe is a real possibility, your opinion may vary. Look back at history in Germany. A charasmatic Hitler was able to do things that most did not expect to happen. The current administration is trying to get laws passed based on emotion, not facts.
easyg
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You need to wake up my friend.
Federal troops have already been used against U.S. civilians.
The U.S. military's drone war has already assassinated U.S. citizens.
The Posse Comitatus Act has effectively been destroyed by the Patriot Act.
Anyone owing an assault rifle could easily be labeled a domestic terrorist and then targeted for assassination.
I was once a soldier too and I have no doubt that the vast majority (well over 80%) will obey any order given, lawful or not.
Military drone operators have already murdered U.S. citizens just because president obama gave them the green light.
No judge, no jury, no trial, and no legal representation.
These drone operators (I refuse to call them pilots) didn't see U.S. citizens, all they saw were "terrorist".
And why?
Because some government official told them they were terrorist.
Easy
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RetiredUSNChief
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Oh, I'm awake, all right. Be assured of that.
The difference here is asking the military to act on tens of millions of otherwise law abiding citizens in order to round up weapons. Not an isolated event...nation wide.
No, I do not expect all, or even most, servicemembers to resist such orders. However, there will be those who will. And I trust those brothers and sisters of mine to stand up for what's right.
I'm not saying this isn't going to be a tough battle over the coming years (near term) and decades. But the outcome is far from settled.
Crashbox
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I wholeheartedly agree with this- IIRC it has been very much proven in other countries in the past.
I truly believe that if firearm registration becomes mandatory- via either front- or back-door methods- it positively warrants a civil war. But that is the last resort I ever want to see, hopefully it won't have to happen.
OpelBlitz
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What RetiredUSNChief said.
Halal Pork
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Maybe someone else can post examples of real world confiscation schemes that have been implemented in the US. We have examples of New Orleans, DC, and a proposed training exercise in Iowa above. What else? There are probably more examples beyond the abstract.
Krusty783
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Let's think about the other side of this issue:
If NY, CA, CT, or hell, let's say the Feds outlaw a certain class of firearm and attempt to confiscate them. Exactly how many firearm manufacturers do you think will go along for the ride??
First of all, the market for that class of firearms will be obliterated to the point that it may not make business sense for anyone to stay open to just sell to the government/leo. If any business stick around, the price for firearms and ammo will multiply significantly to the point that training and equipment would be impacted.
Second, even if it made business sense, many firearms companies would cancel their government contracts as a big F You to the government. Imagine if confiscations started and Colt, Remington, KAC, Barrett and Company X immediately backed out of their government contracts. I have no problem imagining that a privately owned company would put themselves out of business, at least temporarily, if they thought they could make a point about an issue like this.(Barrett refused to do business with the LA PD after their rifles were banned) Publicly owned companies might make a stand also, depending on their CEO. That would get the governments attention, hopefully before it got us attacked by China.
If NY, CA, CT, or hell, let's say the Feds outlaw a certain class of firearm and attempt to confiscate them. Exactly how many firearm manufacturers do you think will go along for the ride??
First of all, the market for that class of firearms will be obliterated to the point that it may not make business sense for anyone to stay open to just sell to the government/leo. If any business stick around, the price for firearms and ammo will multiply significantly to the point that training and equipment would be impacted.
Second, even if it made business sense, many firearms companies would cancel their government contracts as a big F You to the government. Imagine if confiscations started and Colt, Remington, KAC, Barrett and Company X immediately backed out of their government contracts. I have no problem imagining that a privately owned company would put themselves out of business, at least temporarily, if they thought they could make a point about an issue like this.(Barrett refused to do business with the LA PD after their rifles were banned) Publicly owned companies might make a stand also, depending on their CEO. That would get the governments attention, hopefully before it got us attacked by China.
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OpelBlitz
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Halal, your examples are very localized incidents though. Logistically, far easier to pull off.
Kjay
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What confiscation? Who in the Obama administration has even mentioned confiscation? How do you logically argue, and with what evidence, that the Government will soon be rounding up all of our guns? When the 94 assault rifle ban became law there was NOT the slightest attempt to initiate a gun round-up. The 2nd amendment will survive any possible new assault rifle and large capacity magazine ban. There won't be federal agents or the military coming door-to-door asking for everyone's guns. So let's all calm down.
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