Firearms and Anime?

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Ah yes, Trigun...... :D

I loved the Gunsmith Cats series as well. Rally carried a Model 1 CZ-75.

I'm watching a show called Zipang right now. Its "interesting" to say the least. :cool:

It's about a modern JSDF crew that gets caught in a wierd time warp thingie and ends up back in WWII just before the Battle of Midway. Being stuck in the '40s with a modern missle boat, they run into some interesting moral conundrums. Its kind of an eye-opener to see the war in the Pacific from "the other side" so to speak. :scrutiny:
 
Cosmoline said:
The People's Parliament no longer allows any handguns to be made in England. Webley & Scott was reduced to making pellet guns after WWII and is now bankrupt. Also, the idea of anyone in the UK making a custom 1911 with Dick Casull's cartridge is pretty silly. It would more properly be custom made in WYOMING. Though I doubt anyone in Japan knows where Wyoming is. The confusion between long dead British gunsmiths and the .454 Casull reminds me of the conventional wisdom in Japan that Santa Clause and Jesus are the same person.
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As silly as it might be in reality for there to be a gunsmith in England building giant sized left-and-right-handed 1911-pattern pistols chambered for .454 casull (which rounds are loaded with silver slugs cast from a blessed cross from some important cathedral) intended to be wielded by a vampire who hunts vampires in the employ of a secret familial organization dedicated to the hunting down and eradication of bad vampires...

Oh, wait.

:D

~GnSx
 
Can't have?

Have you guys been to Japan?
In the early 80's when I went to Hong Kong, the hot got to have items there were the gun replicas from Japan. I bought a bunch of them and ended up giving them to my nephews. Talk about true to life likeness.

I figured that because the general populace in Japan couldn't have real guns, they at least could have replicas. Around that time I really got interested in handguns and I visited some custom holster makers here in soCal. Guess what I found out?

A lot of their high end holsters were being bought by Japanese users. I talked to some of the holster makers about this and they said that the Japanese buyers were buying up a lot of shoulder holsters to carry their replica guns in. Guess that's what happens when you can't have the real thing right? Gun envy anyone?

Then when I finally got to visit Japan, I went to some of their "model" stores..OMG I thought I had been placed in gun heaven. Every type of handgun and submachine gun that I could imagine (here in soCal we have to imagine some of the guns since we can't buy them):cuss: were in those stores. I saw well dressed businessmen as well as boys buying those replicas.

So I guess that in their anime, they crave an exciting life with guns too. Look at some of the Japanese "gun books." Beautiful photography of guns. What would you do if you can't have something?

Hope we never get that far where we are stuck only with replicas, even now the gungrabbers are trying to make replicas illegal here in California.
:fire: :banghead:
 
GunnySkox said:
As silly as it might be in reality for there to be a gunsmith in England building giant sized left-and-right-handed 1911-pattern pistols chambered for .454 casull (which rounds are loaded with silver slugs cast from a blessed cross from some important cathedral) intended to be wielded by a vampire who hunts vampires in the employ of a secret familial organization dedicated to the hunting down and eradication of bad vampires...
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Yes, I know it's all fantasy. But the confusion between British and Wyoming gunsmiths is typical of the Japanese. They get technical details right, but totally screw up matters we would regard as common sense.
 
Cosmoline said:
I love this one!

http://crimsonsguns.tripod.com/sheet19.jpg
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Hey, way to steal my bandwidth.

Yes that is my site, http://crimsonsguns.tripod.com for proof I'm going to put a little message on the front page.

And no, the the only gun I ever actually was in a museum, chained down, with the action frozen.

One of my great dreams is to move to America, buy a gun and NOT be arrested for possesing a weapon

p.s. if Max Popenker is reading this, sorry for stealing your pics, I was gonna get around to asking, honest
 
Sorry about that--but it's a very cool idea even if it would be downright painful to fire.

Welcome to THR. I'm sure if you ever visit many folks here would be happy to take you to the range.
 
It's okay, I don't mind, it's not like I have to pay for it (free account)

Anyway, inb the frst episode of hellsing you see Alucard assembling that gun, and underneath the barrel there is what appears to be a gas tube, I assumed that it uses a gas retarding system like the H&K P7
 
It would probably need to have a fixed barrel with a gas operated rotary bolt like a Desert Eagle. I don't know much about the P-7. I do suspect that a standard 1911 would not be able to cope with 60,000+ PSI unless replaced the slide and existing barrel with a single shot design.

The real problem would be the size of the thing. It would have to be even bulkier than a Desert Eagle, and wouldn't be much fun to shoot. Plus I'm not sure what you'd gain over a wheelgun. You'd probably lose the ability to chamber .45 Colt and a wide range of bullet weights.
 
I believe it's suposed to be a standard 1911 design, but "super sized". At one point in the anime I think they said the gun was 12 pounds. Remember, the thing is custom made for a vampire. I guess vampires don't care if their gun is really big and heavy.
 
HI express said:
Have you guys been to Japan?
In the early 80's when I went to Hong Kong, the hot got to have items there were the gun replicas from Japan. I bought a bunch of them and ended up giving them to my nephews. Talk about true to life likeness.

I figured that because the general populace in Japan couldn't have real guns, they at least could have replicas. Around that time I really got interested in handguns and I visited some custom holster makers here in soCal. Guess what I found out?

A lot of their high end holsters were being bought by Japanese users. I talked to some of the holster makers about this and they said that the Japanese buyers were buying up a lot of shoulder holsters to carry their replica guns in. Guess that's what happens when you can't have the real thing right? Gun envy anyone?

Then when I finally got to visit Japan, I went to some of their "model" stores..OMG I thought I had been placed in gun heaven. Every type of handgun and submachine gun that I could imagine (here in soCal we have to imagine some of the guns since we can't buy them):cuss: were in those stores. I saw well dressed businessmen as well as boys buying those replicas.

So I guess that in their anime, they crave an exciting life with guns too. Look at some of the Japanese "gun books." Beautiful photography of guns. What would you do if you can't have something?

Hope we never get that far where we are stuck only with replicas, even now the gungrabbers are trying to make replicas illegal here in California.
:fire: :banghead:
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You apparently didn't read my post...

Guns to the japanese are fetish objects. What they don't have makes them even more nutty...

Toy guns (i.e. airsoft) in Japan are like blowup sex dolls in a monastary. The japanese fetishize guns moreso than any culture on the planet. It's like thier pop culture is driven by fat-comicbookguy-from-the-simpsons. Cartoons of gun toting schoolgirls in short skirts that are either 1) submissive or 2) sexually promiscuous. I've just described most of all the anime produced... variatins of giant robots or whatnot all stilll boil down to guns and girls that are one of the two.
 
spaceCADETzoom said:
You apparently didn't read my post...

Guns to the japanese are fetish objects. What they don't have makes them even more nutty...

Toy guns (i.e. airsoft) in Japan are like blowup sex dolls in a monastary. The japanese fetishize guns moreso than any culture on the planet. It's like thier pop culture is driven by fat-comicbookguy-from-the-simpsons. Cartoons of gun toting schoolgirls in short skirts that are either 1) submissive or 2) sexually promiscuous. I've just described most of all the anime produced... variatins of giant robots or whatnot all stilll boil down to guns and girls that are one of the two.
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Ah but then there's Akira and Jin-Roh which don't have any of that school-girl stuff. Granted Jin-roh does have huge detailed guns and Akira does have huge toys that rampage....but it's a hallucination so it's ok.
 
No the point isn't about schoolgirls. The creators have never seen a gun or had a healthy relationship with a girl. It's about an animation studio full of the japanese equivalent ot fat-comic-book-guy. In america, those animators are more prone to hide thier fetishism because of the market. In japan it thrives. Besides, Americans were raised with them, or otherwise less exposed to extreme fetishism...the itch comes about, we merely go and shoot. to the japanese, the feeling festers to the point of the fanciful...

Again, its a cultural and historical thing. the japanese have had a long history of brutal submission to authority, general emasculation, etc...

kevlarman asked if thats a bad thing. No, not necesarilly...it's just embarassing...sad...etc... To use my previous parallel: do you find those guys who argue about "real guns" and think the "deagle" is l33t because they play counterstrike, are a "bad thing"?
 
ghost in the shell had some pretty good gun action too. like that bad guy with the super-uzi :cool:
 
CypherNinja said:
I'm watching a show called Zipang right now. Its "interesting" to say the least. :cool:

It's about a modern JSDF crew that gets caught in a wierd time warp thingie and ends up back in WWII just before the Battle of Midway. Being stuck in the '40s with a modern missle boat, they run into some interesting moral conundrums. Its kind of an eye-opener to see the war in the Pacific from "the other side" so to speak. :scrutiny:
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Cool!
 
It probably wouldn't annoy you if you had to draw all of that...
 
i'm talking about the narrative standbpoint. the japanese have a different sort of pacing in storytelling. its kinda wierd having cliffhangers every 20 minutes...

it's not a question of animation. thier live action shows are 1/2 hr too. besides, look at the number of episodes...roughly 25-30 1/2 hr eps still amount to 13-15 hours. The same amount of work can be done in 13-15 hour episodes to 30 1/2 hr eps.

One thing I like about the jap shows though...they're not unending. they have a full arc. take cowboy bebop...a begining, middle, end. US shows have a rpemise which they use forever...until ratings drop....
 
spiff17 said:
ghost in the shell had some pretty good gun action too. like that bad guy with the super-uzi :cool:
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I think it might have been Ghost in the Shell that had the HK MP5K in the brief case thing. Pretty awesome. I like the ladybug-like tanks they have. That doesn't sound intimidating but seriously...I'd buy one.
 
One thing I like about the jap shows though...they're not unending. they have a full arc. take cowboy bebop...a begining, middle, end. US shows have a rpemise which they use forever...until ratings drop....
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There are animes like that too, where they just keep going untill people stop watching. One the comes to mind is Inuyasha...
 
CypherNinja said:
Ah yes, Trigun...... :D

I loved the Gunsmith Cats series as well. Rally carried a Model 1 CZ-75.

I'm watching a show called Zipang right now. Its "interesting" to say the least. :cool:

It's about a modern JSDF crew that gets caught in a wierd time warp thingie and ends up back in WWII just before the Battle of Midway. Being stuck in the '40s with a modern missle boat, they run into some interesting moral conundrums. Its kind of an eye-opener to see the war in the Pacific from "the other side" so to speak. :scrutiny:
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Sounds like WWII envy to me. There was a movie made in America in the 1980's, I think Charlton Heston was in it. An Aircraft carrier gets sent back in time to December 6th 1941. The question in the film is wether or not to alter history.
 
Someone mentioned the remake of Appleseed, and I had to pipe up...

I grew up on Shirow:some of the first manga i ever read was his (starting with Appleseed, and movig on through Ghost... and Dominion/i]). While the aimationin the remake is astounding, thestory is NOT Appleseed. It should havebeen presented as a completely new, unrelated piece. i ended up giving it away after watching it...
 
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