Firearms case against 3rd trooper dismissed

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These are always fun threads that wind up getting locked eventually but why not.

Associated Press

EAST ST. LOUIS --
The U.S. government has dropped charges against the last of three Illinois State Police officers who had been accused of illegally having machine guns.

James Crowe, a federal prosecutor, on Tuesday dropped a felony charge that Special Agent John Yard of Collinsville illegally possessed a machine gun. In exchange, 37-year-old Yard accepted responsibility and will do 30 hours of community service.

Charges against Illinois State Police Sgt. James Vest, 40, of O'Fallon and Senior Master Trooper Greg Mugge, 52, of Jerseyville already had been dismissed.

A fourth defendant, Harold Griffiths of Spaulding, Ill., is scheduled for trial in August on related federal charges. But Crowe told the judge Tuesday "there have been communications" between both sides, signaling charges against Griffiths also soon may be addressed.

The three troopers and Griffiths were indicted in January 2006 after officers were seen with automatic AR-15 and M-4 rifles the year before at a Greenville federal prison's firing range.

There was no claim any of the defendants used the weapons in any crimes.

Yard told investigators that he had gotten an AR-15 from Griffiths, according to court documents.

Griffiths, 70, told authorities he was unaware the AR-15 was fully automatic when he bought it, adding that he had been a California reserve officer for 10 years and bought many of the guns he owns during that time. Griffiths said he offered an AR-15 to Yard, a friend, who wanted "a more powerful weapon in today's environment."

The prosecution of the case collapsed after Vest argued that the federal law banning unlicensed possession has an exception for law enforcers. The government countered that the exception applies to a department, not to individual officers.

A federal judge threw out the case against Vest last August, ruling the federal law "unconstitutionally vague."

Mugge pleaded guilty last July to a charge of possessing an unregistered, fully-automatic AR-15. But that officer later successfully asked a judge to throw out the case.

Mugge has retired. Yard and Vest were relieved of duty with pay pending an administrative review, a State Police spokesman has said.

In court Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Michael Reagan offered to write Yard a letter of support. When Reagan asked if he had his job back, the trooper replied, "I believe so."

Afterward, Yard's lawyer, Bill Lucco, called the outcome "a good ending to a strange and bizarre journey."
 
A federal judge threw out the case against Vest last August, ruling the federal law "unconstitutionally vague."

Well the judge was right about that. Federal law hardly squares with what the Constitution says.
 
it's a crock that a law abiding citizen can't own automatic weapons anyway. (i'm not debating the need vs want issue) but it's also a crock that you can get away with because of your profession.
 
Now, didn't Fincher from Arkansas commit the same exact crimes, yet he was prosecuted by the feds?

Does anyone not believe that the .gov is at war with the citizens?

Cmon all of you apologists, I'm ready for your side of the story.
 
Cmon all of you apologists, I'm ready for your side of the story.

You may have to wait a bit. They still need to create it before you can hear it. Sounds like elitist BS to me. If cops can own them without jumping through all the same hoops then I should be able to.
If I can't then the cops shouldn't need them either.
 
If cops can own them without jumping through all the same hoops then I should be able to.
The story also reads like not only have they been let off the hook, but they will keep their jobs as LEO's.

Just something extra to think of :)
 
A federal judge threw out the case against Vest last August, ruling the federal law "unconstitutionally vague."

as the constitution is a document for the "people" (not leo only), shouldn't this ruling apply some precident to future cases?
 
It is rediculous that they got off becuase it was constitutionally vague. I guess the 2nd Amendment is constitutionally vague, I mean I thought it meant I could carry arms when it said "bear arms" but who knew that in Illinois it wasnt the case?
 
I think it was noted in the original story that the laws relating to LEO use of NFA firearms was pretty vague hence the ruling. It is not vague regarding normal citizens.

The complete lack of punishment does bother me a bit.
 
It's been done over and over here--there was a mega-thread on the issue and all the points raised above were thoroughly debated. Just search "IL state troopers machine guns" and I'm sure it will pop up.
 
You bet Lucky, Go ahead and drill that extra hole in your AK and put in the appropriate parts, I know thats what I'm gonna do. I'll see ya in the big house, I'm tired of bustin my hump anyway.:)
 
pacodelahoya
Posts: 558 You bet Lucky, Go ahead and drill that extra hole in your AK and put in the appropriate parts, I know thats what I'm gonna do. I'll see ya in the big house, I'm tired of bustin my hump anyway.

Pffft, drill holes, you can 'convert' them with twist-ties. ...That's why they're not allowed:(

But still, if it's a bad law, by default anyone against the law must be sort of good. Well maybe not exactly, but a 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' sort of deal. It sucks that free men are an under-class and leo's are ubermench, but still a bad law is a bad law, and anyone fighting it is on our side.
 
I wonder if the doctor (Griffiths) will get off as easily?

He received three months of diversion, and the charges were dropped. Legally, he got off easy, but it cost him 18 months of legal fees, his job, and his home.

The moral to the story is that if you have illegal toys, don't share them with your friends (even when the friend promises not to let anyone else know that the toy is illegal).
 
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