Shooting Reloads at an indoor range

[jaguarxk120]

The range is asking you to break the law. Federal law says we can reload for our own use only.
If you provide them rounds to shoot you become a manufacturer and must be licensed as such.
Also if they test your remanufactured cartridges they must have the proper licenses.
Do your self a favor and shoot somewhere else even if you have to go farther to shoot.

 

[Havok7416]

The range is asking you to break the law. Federal law says we can reload for our own use only.
If you provide them rounds to shoot you become a manufacturer and must be licensed as such.
Also if they test your remanufactured cartridges they must have the proper licenses.
Do your self a favor and shoot somewhere else even if you have to go farther to shoot.

Reread the law. It says the only time you need an FFL for ammunition is if you are selling for profit. I looked at getting an FFL 07 a long time back but ended up going another route.

 

[jaguarxk120]

That is true, but it also says you can reload ammunition only for your own use, not for others.
By giving loaded shells to someone else you become a manufacturer.

 

[Havok7416]

The law says nothing of the kind.
From the ATF's own website: The term “manufacturer” is defined by 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(10) as any person engaged in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of sale or distribution. As applied to a manufacturer of firearms, the term “engaged in the business” is defined by 18 U.S.C. 921(a)(21)(A) and 27 CFR 478.11, as a “person who devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing firearms as a regular course of trade or business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the firearms manufactured.” (https://www.atf.gov/file/82791/download)

Notice the last part about livelihood and profit. By giving someone ammunition you obviously don't stand to make a profit, particularly in the case of the range mentioned in this thread.

 

[jaguarxk120]

OK

 

[redbullitt]

My handloads get put in old cardboard ammo containers that store ammo comes in.... lol

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I don't agree with breaking the rules, no matter how stupid they seem to be. If the rules are unacceptable to you, shoot elsewhere. Case closed.

 

[Berger.Fan222]

The Range near me will not allow reloads unless you are approved. I ask how to get approval and was told to bring all of my reload logs in as well as 300 rounds for them to pick through to Chronograph and then I would have to take a test. I am very careful when I reload and never load anywhere near max load. I also use a chronograph when developing a load. Does anyone else have to deal with crap like this?

I recommend taking your business elsewhere. I know of one local range that is overly intrusive. My friends and family avoid it.

 

[Jack B.]

There are 2 indoor ranges in my area that only allow you to shoot factory ammo. One of them even has the nerve to say only ammo they sell is acceptable! I'm a member of 3 ranges and shoot at 2 others that don't even ask or care if I shoot my reloads. 2 of them are 60 miles from me. Worth the trip to be around real enthusiasts and not some tourist renting a gun .

 

[Curator]

Good place to shoot .22 rim fire! No doubt they really want to make it sufficiently difficult that you will just roll over and accept their rules. Indoor ranges have their own issues with reloaded ammo, not all about overloads. There are a lot of barely competent reloaders who experience all kinds of malfunctions, misfires, squibs and hang-fires. Dealing with these problems without an experienced range safety officer or gunsmith on hand can expose the other shooters to safety issues. I see this all the time at the club where I shoot. It is an outdoor range and negligent/accidental discharges usually go down range, except for the ones that go through the roof.

 

[entropy]

I'd ask them how long they have been reloading. I've only been doing it 40 years. If they've been doing it longer, then maybe I'd consider their demands. None of the guys at the indoor range I occasionally shoot at has been alive that long, much less shooting or reloading that long. Fortunately, this range just asks to see the ammo the first time you shoot, after they know you, they're good with it.

My handloads get put in old cardboard ammo containers that store ammo comes in.... lol

Yeah, mine do too. Not to 'sneak them' by, but just because I am cheap, and dig them out of the trash barrels at the outdoor range.

 

[FROGO207]

I belong to a private range. Outdoor shooting is limited to 50 CAL centerfire or less and no full auto. So not much to worry about there. The 50 FT indoor range however has a 1/2 inch soft steel plate as a backstop so we are limited to only lead handgun rounds and 1000 FPS max for center fire and 1300 FPS max for .22. That precludes shooting any magnum ammo indoors. They recently said no more plated as the others will think that you are shooting jacketed which is prohibited and they may try that as well. So now only lead and powder coated as long as it is not copper colored. Plus you have to go through an orientation to understand what the reasons for the limitations are for along with safe handling when using it. Handloading specific ammo shines for us that do to use there. I also teach a handloading/reloading class once or twice a year for those that want to learn how and keep within our centerfire range limitations without having to find and purchase lead ammo that will work.

So sometimes there is a logical explanation and other times it is a profit motivated reason. YMMV

 

[TheDomFather]

The Range near me will not allow reloads unless you are approved. I ask how to get approval and was told to bring all of my reload logs in as well as 300 rounds for them to pick through to Chronograph and then I would have to take a test. I am very careful when I reload and never load anywhere near max load. I also use a chronograph when developing a load. Does anyone else have to deal with crap like this?

This is them wanting you to buy ammo from them! I shoot reloads at my range all the time and if they told me no I would never go back!

 

[RainDodger]

Life's too short to deal with crap like that. I was a member of a local indoor range until they decided they wanted to inspect ALL ammunition before you could shoot. That included looking through your bag AND removing all ammo from all magazines. They wanted to be sure you were not shooting any tracer, armor piercing, or full lead bullets I believe. It wasn't good enough to take the word of a member. Of course they can put any rule in place that they want... so I simply told them I would never be back to their range or their attached gun shop (too high prices anyway).

 

[Jack B.]

I belong to a private range. Outdoor shooting is limited to 50 CAL centerfire or less and no full auto. So not much to worry about there. The 50 FT indoor range however has a 1/2 inch soft steel plate as a backstop so we are limited to only lead handgun rounds and 1000 FPS max for center fire and 1300 FPS max for .22. That precludes shooting any magnum ammo indoors. They recently said no more plated as the others will think that you are shooting jacketed which is prohibited and they may try that as well. So now only lead and powder coated as long as it is not copper colored. Plus you have to go through an orientation to understand what the reasons for the limitations are for along with safe handling when using it. Handloading specific ammo shines for us that do to use there. I also teach a handloading/reloading class once or twice a year for those that want to learn how and keep within our centerfire range limitations without having to find and purchase lead ammo that will work.

So sometimes there is a logical explanation and other times it is a profit motivated reason. YMMV

Sounds like they are over thinking things. Must have new management that doesn't understand " if it ain't broke don't try to fix it."

 

[Jack B.]

Life's too short to deal with crap like that. I was a member of a local indoor range until they decided they wanted to inspect ALL ammunition before you could shoot. That included looking through your bag AND removing all ammo from all magazines. They wanted to be sure you were not shooting any tracer, armor piercing, or full lead bullets I believe. It wasn't good enough to take the word of a member. Of course they can put any rule in place that they want... so I simply told them I would never be back to their range or their attached gun shop (too high prices anyway).

Have a range with rules like that near me. Went once won't be back. Only went because they have a senior citizen discount.

 

[pm8675309]

I'd just shoot there, not tell them anything and let them kick me out if it came to that.

Just take advantage of it while you can. If they decide to be bold and kick you out, that's entirely fair.

 

[High Plains Drifter]

The Range near me will not allow reloads unless you are approved. I ask how to get approval and was told to bring all of my reload logs in as well as 300 rounds for them to pick through to Chronograph and then I would have to take a test. I am very careful when I reload and never load anywhere near max load. I also use a chronograph when developing a load. Does anyone else have to deal with crap like this?

We had an indoor range that was charging $10 per shooter, would not allow reloaded ammo had to shoot their over priced stuff, and you couldn't pick up the brass. They are out of business now. We all had other options in our area. : D

 

[High Plains Drifter]

Sorry hit reply instead of edit, see above.

 

[High Plains Drifter]

That is true, but it also says you can reload ammunition only for your own use, not for others.
By giving loaded shells to someone else you become a manufacturer.

Please read the ATF regulations and the NFA (National Firearms Act). You can sell ammunition without an FFL, those sales cannot be to restricted persons (18 USC § 922 which is basically if you are under age, a convicted felon, not in the U.S. legally, dishonorable discharge, you're a drug addict, anyone who has renounced their U.S. citizenship, mentally defective, or subject to a court order of some kind, but check the laws for each state), but you do need a manufacturing license if you plan to manufacture ammo. Each state may have different laws on that and to manufacture ammunition may also require a license and permits, plus liability insurance in each state.

 

[entropy]

Yes, but not ammunition you've manufactured yourself. Same as for alcoholic beverages Except that, unlike alcholic bevarages, you are not limited by law as to the amount you can produce yearly.

 

[Larryswn]

The Range near me will not allow reloads unless you are approved. I ask how to get approval and was told to bring all of my reload logs in as well as 300 rounds for them to pick through to Chronograph and then I would have to take a test. I am very careful when I reload and never load anywhere near max load. I also use a chronograph when developing a load. Does anyone else have to deal with crap like this?

I expected the same thing but all they say is' "Do you need ammo"?.......answer is no and that's it. That sounds crazy, you can only hurt yourself and sign a waiver to join so wazzzup with that?????? Totally lame

"...have to be a member..." So this is a club vs a business? They tell you who does the test and their qualifications to do such tests? I can teach you some words in Greek that'll get your mouth washed out with soap or start a big fight. snicker.
$480 per year is nutso for a club membership.[/QUO

 

[Larryswn]

The Range near me will not allow reloads unless you are approved. I ask how to get approval and was told to bring all of my reload logs in as well as 300 rounds for them to pick through to Chronograph and then I would have to take a test. I am very careful when I reload and never load anywhere near max load. I also use a chronograph when developing a load. Does anyone else have to deal with crap like this?

Freedom Munitions boxes would be perfect. It's a "factory" that sells reloads............so, yeah, they're "factory"

 

[Reloadron]

Shooting Reloads at an indoor range

Their range and their rules. I have seen similar rules and regulations at other ranges. If you don't want to play by their rules then find another range with rules to your liking. Anyway, have I seen such policy? Yes, would be the answer.

Ron