First NFA item, which one?

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Next Spring I should breach the NFA barrier, but I'm not sure what exactly I want.

I'll be looking at a budget of $1500, on the top end.
SBS and SBR are still not legal in MI, and full auto is out of my budget.

Thinking either a suppressor or an AOW like the Serbu Super Shorty (Rem 870, lefty).

Since I don't have a dedicated gun for a suppressor, I'm looking at either purchasing threaded barrels, or having current barres threaded. Also, I'd want a "universal" suppressor if one existed, that would work for rife and pistol.

I'm thinking the suppressor option may exceed my budget, so I'm leaning toward the AOW, which will cost well under $1000, even with the stamp.

Comments? Is there a less expensive suppressor option I'm not aware of? Is there a better NFA option I should take under consideration?

It'll be a purely frivolous expenditure in any event, a range toy at best. A simple 'because I can' type of gun.
 
This seems to be like putting the cart before the horse: wanting to get an NFA item just because it's an NFA item. The question should be how it fits into your actual wants/needs. For example, if you collect U.S. military weapons, I can see wanting to get a Thompson or an M16. Or, if you want to hunt with a suppressor, go that route. But otherwise, no. And another thing -- if you're thinking of keeping within a modest budget, the NFA world is not for you. For NFA stuff, you need (a) money, and (b) patience.
 
30 caliber, quality suppressor. get one that is 300 mag rated as well. Can be used on several sub calibers including 5.56, 300 blk and others.

this will not be a good option to use on a pistol though.
 
On rifles you will likely be disappointed with how loud they still are because of the supersonic crack of the bullet, 3oo blk sub-sonic is the "solution" to this, but then you are basically getting pistol ballistics.

Other than ammo not being very available, a .22lr suppressor is a great start as it can be used on rifles and pistols and is hard to beat as a range toy.
 
I'm going to be suppressing a 10/22 and a Ruger 22/45 that came with a threaded barrel.

Have also recently acquired a threaded barrel for my G17. The Guardian .22 suppressor was $200 plus the $200 tax. The Guardian 9, which works on both the 9mm and subsonic .300 Blackout, was $325, plus the tax.

The SEALS don't seem to be too concerned about the "handgun" ballistics of the .300 Blackout, as they're heavily invested in that caliber for ranges out to 150 yds.
 
.22 is the way to go in my mind first, nice if you get one also rated for .22WM and the other rimfires while you're at it. The AAC Element is rated for all of them IIRC.

Then, a .45 which you can put on any .40's or 9mm's that you have.

Hentown- Do you have evidence that the SEALs have bought into the 300BLK?
 
My only NFA item is a SilencerCo SS Sparrow 22 silencer. I love it. Its simply a treat to shoot a 22 pistol, or rifle with almost no annoying CRACK! I started out with a Ruger 22/45 LITE, thinking maybe a rifle would be fun also. I now have 13 pistols, and 2 rifles threaded, and enjoy them all. My neighbors gardens have all been spared the groundhog threat, and 2 of my neighbors smile and wave everytime they see me, because they know... Get a good, steel, 22 silencer, and have some fun.

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For the .22 can idea Id stay get a Sparrow from Silencer Co. For rifle cans SRT & Thunder Beast
You might also check these guys out , they make a take down can that has the same sound as the SRTs for less $ , did I mention you can open them up?
http://lane-products.com/

I have a few of them & love them, the 556 sees heavy use on my M16 when Im done with my .22 kit or a bunch of crappy bulk Russian ammo I just open it up rinse out the junk and Im ready to go again.
 
I agree with AlexanderA. What guns do you have to suppress? In general a good .30 can will be the most versatile.

One option would be a user serviceable 5.56 can but there is only one I've heard of. In that case you could use it on 5.56 and .22.
 
Well this post put me over the top - guess I'll go the trust route and start things in motion.

Right now I plan on getting a suppressor for my 15-22 with the hope that it can be used on my SIG Mosquito?

Research just starting - if anyone has helpful hints / info, I'd be glad to hear 'em!

Spent a little time on a VA NFA Trust lawyer's site ($100 flat fee) and picked a guy's brain a bit at a local gun shop - the bunch he hangs around with are big into suppressors.

I have learned:
1. If you get a 22 suppressor, make sure you get one that can be torn down for cleaning.
2. Told I'd probably need an adapter for the Mosquito, as the barrel is probably quite a bit smaller diameter than the 15-22 (have yet to research threads, etc).
3. Was also told on polymer guns, make sure the barrel does not tilt - if it does, with a can on it, when it tilts, don't be surprised if it rips the slide off the gun. Was told you could use a booster - know nothing about them, but research to follow (also got to check my Mosquito to see if the barrel tilts).
 
Number 1 on your list is not necessarily true. If the sealed 22 suppressor can be dipped then you're fine. Thunderbeast makes a damn fine sealed 22 can .
 
Basicblur. The Mosquito needs an adapter for the threaded end of the barrel. I got mine directly from Sig, as two others werent correct(even the one from SilencerCo wasnt right). Your Mosquito IS one of the threaded ones... right? There are no tilting barrel 22 pistols that I am aware of(nothing modern anyway)so thats a non-issue for a 22 suppressor. Additionally, yes, its a great idea to have a 22 suppressor that comes apart easily for cleamning. Take a look at the SilencerCo SS Sparrow., Its the one of, if not, the easiest
 
3. Was also told on polymer guns, make sure the barrel does not tilt - if it does, with a can on it, when it tilts, don't be surprised if it rips the slide off the gun. Was told you could use a booster - know nothing about them, but research to follow.
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This is not completely true. First off, it's not a "polymer gun" thing but an issue for all browning recoil operated pistols (most of your service caliber guns like Glock, Sig, HK, S&W etc.) where the extra weight of the can attached to the barrel does not allow the action to unlock, thus turning your gun into a single shot weapon. It will not "rip the slide off the gun".

The solution to this problem is to use a booster/Nielsen Device/LID (several different names for what is essentially the same thing). This contains a spring that allows the weight of the can to be momentarily separated from the barrel during recoil so that your barrel can unlock and allow the action to cycle.

A booster is not always needed, even on browning action pistols, if the can is light enough. The TM Poseidon, DeGroat Nano, and AWC(?) Abraxis are several that I know do not use boosters and can still allow the pistol to cycle correctly.

Also, it is a bad idea to use a booster on a pistol (or rifle) with a fixed barrel. To use a can that typically has a booster, you insert a fixed spacer into the booster so that it does not allow movement.
 
Basicblur. The Mosquito needs an adapter for the threaded end of the barrel. I got mine directly from Sig, as two others werent correct(even the one from SilencerCo wasnt right).
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Thanks for the heads up - I'm putting all this stuff in my research notes.

Your Mosquito IS one of the threaded ones... right?
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Unfortunately not - I'm assuming I can just buy a barrel from SIG or ?

I also have a Walther P22, and I've seen pix of folks with suppressors on them, so I guess I need to do some research on it also, though I prefer shooting the Mosquito. It mirrors my P229R, and the P22 is a little on the small side for my hands.

There are no tilting barrel 22 pistols that I am aware of(nothing modern anyway)so thats a non-issue for a 22 suppressor.
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The guy at the shop whose brain I'm picking stated he believed that was the case, but he's not that familiar with 22 pistols.

Take a look at the SilencerCo SS Sparrow., Its the one of, if not, the easiest
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Thanks - I'll add them to my list.

Went to most of the major players today and bookmarked / made vCards / printed out their 22 suppressors - stuck it all in a binder til I can get around to comparing DB ratings, weights, etc.

I just kinda latched onto Lane and am probably using it for a baseline.

BTW - I was at the shop today and we were looking over my printouts - fella grabbed his AR with Surefire suppressor and we squeezed off a few rounds just so I could see what it sounded like.
Gotta confess, I was a little disappointed, but I'm hoping most of the noise was from the ammo, as it wasn't subsonic.

Not loud enough to require hearing protection (maybe for sustained fire) - I told him it sounded to me like his suppressed 223 sounded like my 15-22 unsuppressed - he agreed with my comparison. It is a little hard to compare, as I shoot the 15-22 with hearing protection.
 
I dont know if Sig will sell you just the barrel... you will have to call and ask. The P22 has a threaded barrel as part of its design. The Umarex 22 pistols all do(Colt 1911-22, the new Walther PPK/S, P22). The barrel is held into the frame with a nut on the muzzle end. Unscrew the nut, replace with adapter designed for the purpose of adding a suppressor. Now you have a threaded barrel for your suppressor. Take a look at the Smith & Wesson 422/622/2206/2213/2214. They are discontinued now, but the 422s can be had for around $200 if you look. They also have a threaded barrel. The barrel is held into the frame with a barrel nut, and an adapter takes the place of the nut. These are excellent, accurate, well made pistols, that make great suppressor hosts. Heres a pic of my two 422s, and my 2213, all have the adapter now, and I shoot them suppressed.

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Most .22 sounds about the same regardless of what some people tell you. Some do have less first round pop but that's about it.
 
Dissenster

I agree that a can is probably a pretty good investment. Seeing as I live in California, the most anti state just about, we are amazingly allowed to have AOWs. I just received mine after a 7 month wait for my Form 4. I have only shot it once but man was it fun. We are not allowed to have silencers in this state, so I have no experience with them but if you are looking for a purely insane range toy, I am very happy with my AOW. Remington 870 with 14" barrel.

Huge noise, some fun recoil and it blasts huge holes through zombie targets. To me, much ruder, and therefore more fun than a quiet little suppressed .22 but YMMV.

Serbu Super Shorty looks like a fun little gun.
 
Ye olde baseline has changed yet again (we're getting close)!

I didn't notice the rifle comparison video at Silencerco's site when I checked out the pistol video - it appears the quietest suppressor on a 15-22 is the Silencerco Sparrow - the quietest on the 22 pistols was the AAC Element.

Looks like the Sparrow is my new baseline, as my primary gun for a suppressor is my 15-22 - the pistols are secondary.

The monotube design also looks a lot easier to clean than the stacked AAC Element.
http://www.silencerco.com/?section=Products&page=Sparrow&vid=22Sparrow-Rifles
 
To me, the Sparrow was the best available. Thats why I got it. The only issue the Sparrow has, is First Round Pop, on a pistol length barrel. It doesnt happen on a rifle length barrel. If you absolutely need a quiet first shot with a pistol, a simple spritz up the nose of the Sparrow, with a water filled Nasal Spray bottle, eliminates the FRP on the Sparrow. Problem solved! Best 22 can available.
 
I chose the SIG P220 Scorpion Elite TB, it comes with a threaded barrel, and has all of the modifications already that I would do to a stock P220 (short reset trigger, night sights, single piece grip).

I paired it with a TiRant suppressor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUaW4GyKuc4

I chose the .45 as it is easy to suppress, being subsonic, secondly, it is a proven heavy hitter for self defense.

As I write this I am waiting for my Marlin .45 cal Camp Carbine to make it back from the gunsmith, to use the TiRant on a fixed barrel, I will need to swap out the spring for the spacer, but scoped hits of 100+ yards should be a lot of fun. :p

The budget was $2100
 
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