Fishing For Coyotes

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I was talking to an avid coyote hunter at work yesterday and what he told me shocked me and I was disgusted beyond belief. I'm a coyote hunter, I use a gun and a treestand with an Alpha Dogg e-call. I have nothing against hunting whatsoever, I enjoy it. Apparently the new way to hunt coyotes here is to hang a gaff hook from a tree with a chicken impaled on it. The coyote jumps up and is impaled by the hook and just hangs there for a day or two or several, or until the hunter comes back to check. Has anyone heard of this? Seems to me to be unreasonably cruel. Picture this, perhaps for days the coyote is impaled on the hook, hanging there, whimpering in pain. I don't like this at all. I enjoy hunting animals but that still doesn't override the fact that I don't mistreat or torture them or make them suffer before death. I can't get over this. I'm hoping that this is just an isolated group of so called "hunters" that do this and not a national movement.
 
Well....they catch gators like that down south using a big fish hook. Watch Swamp People on the history Chanel (I think) sometime.
 
I Have heard of that, tho not in respect to coyotes, I have read that this method was used in Alaska to hunt wolves , A Halibut hook was baited & set just high enough for the wolf to jump & hook itself. I don't know if it is true or not. It sounds pretty cruel to me. msn
 
Any animal that i kill I want to make it as fast as possible.

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I don't know how many of you know what baleen is, but picture a piece of flexible plastic. Alaska natives used to cut a piece six to eight inches long, sharpen each end and then boil or steam it until it was flexible and roll it into a coil. They'd then wrap a piece of fat around it and put it outside to freeze.

You could then drop this frozen lump of fat where a bear would find it and swallow it whole. The fat would melt and the baleen would uncoil and pierce the stomach. Then you'd just track the bear until it was sick enough to spear to death. Of course, this was for survival not sport.

Anybody who would torture a coyote to death for "sport" is not somebody I would associate with.
 
That's been around for much longer than I have. Old-timers had plenty of tricks. You should see what a piece of thread and a kernel of corn will do to a crow. They did it to protect crops or livestock. Doing it just for the sake of doing it is wrong.
 
I have no love for coyotes however not only does that sound overly cruel but i would think quite Illegal in my state anyway
 
yeah...um snares achieve the same end results and the government trappers use them so there's that too. Maybe this guy should re-evaluate his stance as an ethical hunter and try some snares. We have sheep, we call coyotes and trap them too and we always put them down as quickly as possible. The snares are typically checked every other day unless there is an emergency of some kind.
 
BigN said:
I was talking to an avid coyote hunter at work yesterday. Apparently the new way to hunt coyotes here is to hang a gaff hook from a tree with a chicken impaled on it. The coyote jumps up and is impaled by the hook and just hangs there for a day or two or several, or until the hunter comes back to check.Not only is that unethical, around here it's illegal.
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Not only is that unethical, around here it's illegal....in more ways than one. Your "avid" coyote hunting friend is either full of B.S. or one 'ell of a dirtball.
 
a few years ago my buddys wife let there small house dog out to do his thing, well the last they heard of it crying going down threw the woods behind there house in a coyotes mouth! i shoot them when i can but i dont think i would use the spike, there are alot here around my home but they havent came in the yard and got my bulldog yet!
 
Should be illegal, if it already isn't.

A few years ago a local guy was running his English Pointer along the river trail and he got his leg in a coyote snare. It cut in and severed the nerves in his leg before the guy could get him out of it.

That ended his quail hunting days forever!!

rc
 
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I think it is pretty cruel for anything to die like that.
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Yes, fishing is pretty cruel. I've not done that but have set snares. Coyotes are cruel too. I recently had three coyotes in with my goats. Four goats were mangled so bad I had to put them down.

Here's a pic of the rear end of the goat they decided to eat and he was still living while they were chowing down on him. His guts were out on the ground as well.

I like dead coyotes...not dead goats.

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The part about leaving for a couple days is just as bad as leaving them in a leg hold trap for days but aside from that I don't know that a hook is any worse than any other means of catching. I guess if the hooks are checked frequently I don't have an adverse opinion aside from the high cost of the bait.
I'm sure some states allow it and others don't, that is a totally different matter.
 
I first heard of doing this about 10 years ago. I hate coyotes but hunting them sure is fun. I don't think I would have much of a problem with fishing so long as the coyote was very quickly dispatched. Theoretically a guy could set several lines in an area and I think you would know for sure when one was caught. So long as it was taken care of right then it would only be hung up for a few minutes. I know it's a little unethical but I like yotes about as much as I like pigs.
 
I hate the idea of hooking any animal but if coyotes are hunting your livestock then I can understand it. Just check your hooks daily to minimize their suffering.

As a side note... one of my neighbors chased his own dogs off his property for attacking his goats. I asked why he didn't either put them down or find them new homes with no other animals. He conceded that he should have... but now his killer dogs are still running around free in this immediate area. If those dogs mauled my goats (if I had any) I'd hook them. But I'd put them down as quickly as I could.
 
"People do stuff."

Some "fishermen" used to think it was funny to cast a bait-fish up high where a pelican could grab it. Some would do the same with seagulls--although to be fair, an occasional surf-caster has had a gull grab the bait before it could hit the water...
 
Never seen it done with coyotes, but using a 12/0 hook with a chicken neck on it suspended about 12"-24" above the water is how gators are caught. The higher you suspend the bait above the water, the larger a gator has to be to grab it.

I also know a couple of guys who "trotlined" for ducks, using 25-30# monofiliment and large bream hooks, baited with whole kernal corn. Blatantly illegal, but these guys are outlaw hunters, and were catching the ducks strictly for the freezer.
The only way I'd do something like that is in a survival-type situation; or economic calamity such as Great Depression, TEOTWAWKI, etc.
 
Don't confuse this method with how gators are caught. In gator hunting the bait is suspended but as soon as the gator grabs the bait it pulls it down into the water. It is not suspended in a way to make the gator hang, just enough that the gator has to jump for it and set the hook.
 
I have an old timer friend out here that grew up in the south Texas brush, he told me about "hooking" Yotes a while back when I was having problems with them coming to close to the house and the animals. In his defense he was doing this when his family depended on the livestock and any method to keep the predators at bay was good.

I still prefer sitting on the roof with a coyote call every once in a while. then pop them once they are visible in the lighted yard. I kill one coyote and teach 10 others that being in my yard=death.

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