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  1. P5 Guy

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    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/pol...0190610-6ractebx4jbmlcehsgnff66q6e-story.html

    Here we go. More nonsense from the antis.
    The sign of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome. Ban this, ban that to end 'gun' violence and still the violence continues. Isn't it time to try another tactic? You know since the gun banning tact is NOT working to quell the violent tendencies of the lawless?
     
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    But, but, we have to do something! Think of the children! </sarcasm>
    I agree, bans have been logistically proven to not work, and yet, the madness continues.

    Reading some of the comments put forth by Christine Leinonen, one of the Pulse victims' mother, “The Second Amendment says guns should be well regulated. And we know that by banning assault weapons, that’s not going to solve every gun problem in America, but it’s a piece of the puzzle," and, 'You should've had security, you didn't have a cop at that front door. If you'd had a cop at that front door, my son wouldn't have been dead,' once again proves the flaw of the anti's reasoning. There has to be someone to blame, and it is almost never the perpetrator. Perpetrator shot or incarcerated, the victims always want to blame someone who didn't get punished yet.
     
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    There was an armed person at the door, he got shot first if I remember correctly.
     
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  4. Jack B.

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    I still haven seen a definition of what an assault weapon is. I'm not sure what they are talking about. I can assault some one with a spoon. How is it possible to get a law to ban something with a vague meaning?
     
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    "Bans" can mean many things. This particular proposal would grandfather existing "assault" rifles (with state registration). Although that's not good, it also wouldn't have much real-world impact. The truth is that people have been buying such weapons for the last few years (ever since the expiration of the 1994-2004 ban) in huge numbers, so that now there is actually a glut on the market. Nothing will make an impact, short of a massive buyback or confiscation, such as the one proposed by Rep. Eric Swalwell. And such a massive confiscation would lead to massive noncompliance, on the scale of Alcohol Prohibition (with all the social disruption that that would entail). All of this is kabuki theater. Politicians and activists -- on both sides of the gun issue -- are using it to further their careers and feather their financial nests. Nothing more.
     
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    And to further demonize guns and gun owners, to drive ownership underground. Long-term goals...
     
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    Except when the underground gun ownership resurfaces with a vengeance. Which it will, if Alcohol Prohibition is any indication. Guns are a cultural norm in America, as much as alcohol is. As long as Hollywood movies give guns a starring role, that won't change. (And ironically, the people responsible for making the Hollywood movies generally say that they are against guns. Their actions speak otherwise.)
     
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    Yep, I didn't say it would work, just what they are trying ;) Gun ownership evolves over time, with the whims of the people and the political climate, but it isn't going away any time soon.
     
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  9. P5 Guy

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    Florida Supreme Court should squash this, still I have little faith in politicians.
    Also the petition should cover more Florida counties for the pool of signatures.
     
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  10. GEM

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    It is time to stop being naive about definitions of assault weapons.

    It has no strength in the arguments. What the bans will include are all magazine fed semi auto long arms.

    Making clever quips about definitions or ranting about it’s not an assault rifle as it is not fully auto will not help in the well written ban proposals debate. In fact it is counterproductive.
     
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  11. P5 Guy

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    Once only manually operated firearms legal, repeating arms will be targeted. On and on until only the police and military are armed, somewhat.
    Police will not be allowed to take their service arms with them off duty. All military arms will be under lock and key also.
     
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    I wish they would do something about automobile-violence. in 1-1 1/2 year period in the USA, as many Americans die in traffic related accidents as the number of Americans died in the entire 10 years of the Vietnam war, a war in which people were trying to kill each other with full-on automatic weapons.

    I would sooner give up my automobile privileges then allow/give up the rights to guns.

    ultimately though, if they are going to make me a criminal, i'm going to be the best criminal I can be.
     
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    Political posturing to appeal to the base.
     
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    Give up a better statistic than that:

    Between 2006 and 2010 more Americans died from Alcohol than in WW2.
    410,000 WW2 Alcohol 440,000 CDC Data. Same number of months.
     
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    It doesn’t matter what we think an assault weapon is. Only what those coming up with and writing the law say it is. Sure, it’s stupid. Probably won’t pass. But we don’t know that yet. So best be on the phones and email to these people. Tell them why it’s dumb. Not us.
     
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    This is how WA defined an assault weapon.

    The initiative (I-1639) defines a “semiautomatic assault rifle” to mean “any rifle which utilizes a portion of the energy of a firing cartridge to extract the fired cartridge case and chamber the next round, and which requires a separate pull of the trigger to fire each cartridge.”

    Well, that just about covers everything except bolt, lever and pump action rifles, even a Ruger 10/22 is an assault rifle under this definition.

    And I-1639 is now law in this state. So everyone should realize that it isn't that difficult to define an assault rifle for the purpose of restricting semi-auto rifles. Hell, they didn't even have to address magazines, bayonet lugs, pistol grips or muzzle breaks.
     
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    All the responses are on target here - but y'all might be missing something.... You can bet that what's actually going on is all focused on the next presidential election in 2020... Our state is not only a swing state... it's also the biggest one and a must have for whoever wins... Much of what we're seeing now are attempts to not only "rally the base" but also add just one more bit of doubt for un-educated voters well before next year's election season...

    All of us need to carefully explain to non-shooters what's at stake here....
     
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    Most of the definitions I've seen specify center fired rifles.
     
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    Just wait, there have been rampages with rimfire. If someone notices that there are tricked out 10/22s and MSSA looking 22 LR, they will go. After all, only a nut ball would want a 22 that look like a military killing machine.

    Remember the Australians took everything out over time but bolt action guns.
     
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    "I don't understand, we're encouraging military style weapons! After all, if it was good enough for Sgt York, it should be good enough for you. Look how many Germans he captured with his bolt action Springfield."
    Yikes.
     
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    They're so misconstruing and misquoting the Constitution that they're coming up with this:
    “'We have a gun Autobahn right now,' said Christine Leinonen, whose son, Drew, was killed at Pulse (Nightclub).
    'The Second Amendment says guns should be well regulated. And we know that by banning assault weapons, that’s not going to solve every gun problem in America, but it’s a piece of the puzzle, Leinonen" added.
     
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    The proposal includes SEMI AUTOS so a Ruger 10/22 would be an assault weapon also.

    It also proposes GUN REGISTRATION.

    I am so tired of all this nonsense!

    Gee I did not know this?

    “The Second Amendment says guns should be well regulated. (substitute Militia with guns)And we know that by banning assault weapons, that’s not going to solve every gun problem in America, but it’s a piece of the puzzle,” Leinonen said.

    Guess they ignore the "shall not be infringed" part?
     
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    As discussed endlessly, past precedents in discussion of the BOR doesn't mean a 'right' cannot be modulated and is not absolute. Free speech is the prime example. Saying shall not be infringed isn't going to work.
     
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    I truly wish people would stop citing the BOR. States have been infringing on people's RKBA for 150 years. If anything there's much more president and SC decisions allowing restrictions than not. If the BOR was seen as some kink of hard line guide then why all of the federal and state restrictions? The reason is it isn't.

    States will continue to regulate just like they always have. About the only thing we can hope for is that state legislators will see that restricting a person's RKBA doesn't do much of anything to curb crime. In time everyone will realize that. It's like the war on drugs. The drugs are still with us and in 20 years all of the AR's and AK's will still be with us being used to commit crimes.
     
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    So I guess there must be two AWB ballots.

    I found this one first:

    https://ballotpedia.org/Florida_Ban...ions_for_Firearm_Possession_Initiative_(2020)

    It’s basically a ban on magazines over 7 rounds along with firearms capable of firing in “fully automatic mode” and “sniper rifles” (I imagine 50 bmg rifles is what they are getting at here). Hopefully the form 4 on my second machine gun clears before this thing passes!

    And I also see this petition:

    https://bawnfl.org/banassaultweaponsnowpetition.pdf

    It looks current. The source web sight looks up to date. Ban on mags over 10 rounds for rifles or shotguns. Does not apply to handguns. No registration of magazines but you must register assault rifles. Not sure about handing guns down through the generations. I guess this is the grandfathering part under limitations section:

    “d) If a person had lawful possession of an assault weapon prior to the effective date of this subsection, the person's possession of that assault weapon is not unlawful (1) during the first year after the effective date of this subsection, or (2) after the person has registered with the Florida Department of Law Enforcement or a successor agency, within one year of the effective date of this subsection, by providing a sworn or attested statement, that the weapon was lawfully in his or her possession prior to the effective date of this subsection and by identifying the weapon by make, model, and serial number. The agency must provide and the person must retain proof of registration in order for possession to remain lawful under this subsection. Registration records shall be available on a permanent basis to local, state and federal law enforcement agencies for valid law enforcement purposes but shall otherwise be confidential.”

    The above is confusing. Can someone break this down for me?

    Interesting that handguns are excluded. It seems like we are at a point where CCW freedoms are ever expanding across the country but at the same time in these same states owning semi auto rifles with standard cap mags is coming to an end.

    penalties for violation is a 3rd degree felony. Not sure what that is but it sounds pretty serious.

    As for this being constitutional I don’t see why it wouldn’t be. The constitution itself is being modified after all. Sure we have 6:1 conservative to liberal justices on the Supreme Court but this is a simple modification of our constitution. I hate having such an easily amendable constitution.

    Dan
     
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