Toronto gripped by US gun violence

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Our neighbors to the North blame US :rolleyes: .

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Toronto gripped by US gun violence Fri Nov 11,10:06 AM ET



Residents of Canada's biggest city are living in fear of increasing gun violence and blame their neighbour, the United States, for exporting their gun culture and weapons north, officials told AFP.

Area police reported hundreds of shootings this year, including 46 homicides. Some 1,782 guns were seized, including a cache of illegal weapons confiscated from a local online retailer this week -- Canada's first such bust that included a bullet-proof baseball cap and a military gas mask.

On Wednesday, as Prime Minster Paul Martin unveiled new initiatives to curb gun violence, three men were shot in the Toronto area, including an 18-year-old student outside his high school, prompting a temporary lockdown of a dozen area schools. One victim died in hospital.

"By and large, Canadians are pacifists. We're not gunslingers. This violence is a real departure for us," said police Superintendent Roy Pilkington of 31 Division, the city's most hardened neighborhood. "It's made a lot of people apprehensive about moving around the city."

The north Toronto district, where the superintended grew up, logged six homicides and 36 injuries in 77 reported shootings since January, including a young girl shot in the head and wounded after gunmen opened fire on a crowded bus. Despite 35 witnesses, the case remains unsolved.

"There is fear of retaliation if they speak to police in some sectors of the community," Pilkington said, blaming mostly gangs, some with international links, fighting over turf and drug sales and using guns imported from the United States, for the violence.

In its August edition, weekly Canadian magazine Maclean's noted that gang murders had tripled since the early 1990s in this country, in contrast to an overall drop in violence. The magazine blamed the rise in part on illegal arms from the neighboring United States.

In the past five years, Canadian authorities seized 5,400 weapons, mostly handguns. According to Maclean's, this represented a mere fraction of the guns that enter Canada from the United States.

"It's totally unacceptable. We don't want that kind of violence in our city," Toronto Mayor David Miller told AFP, echoing local residents who expressed concerns that America's gun culture is creeping north across the Canada-US border.

Last month, Foreign Affairs Minister Pierre Pettigrew pressed US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice to take action to stop the flow of guns north into Canada.

Martin said Wednesday that battling the unprecedented wave of deadly shootings in Canada's largest city also means working with disaffected youth.

"We've got to come to grips with the problem of exclusion," he said.

Martin offered to spend 50 million dollars (42 million USD) to combat the sudden epidemic of violent crimes and gangs, as well as other "social investments aimed at reducing crime at its source."

"Violence and gangsterism have no place in our society," he said during a visit to a deprived Toronto neighborhood with the city mayor, blocks from where five police officers were fired upon in August.

Justice Minister Irwin Cotler said Thursday he would table legislation to amend Canada's Criminal Code to raise minimum sentences for crimes committed with a firearm.

This drew mixed reactions. Some even questioned the timing of the government's announcements, noting the worst took place in July and August, but a federal election looms now.

Pilkington said the violence was beginning to slow as winter approached, but he welcomed the latest initiatives.

"I hope it won't get worse before it gets better. Next summer will tell if we've made gains," he said.

"It's not a problem police and politicians can solve alone," he added.



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Martin offered to spend 50 million dollars (42 million USD) to combat the sudden epidemic of violent crimes and gangs, as well as other "social investments aimed at reducing crime at its source."

I'm sorry but my only reaction was BWAAAAAHAAAAHAHAAAAHAAAA!!!!
 
Whew, glad to hear Canadians have no responsibility for their own problems. I was worried for a second that maybe Toronto was becoming a violent city but it turns out it's all America's fault. What a relief.
 
"By and large, Canadians are pacifists. We're not gunslingers"
I belive wimps is a better word Take care of you problem replace you Gov. officals with some that have a pair. Restore the rights of subjects to protect them themselves. Don't blame us that you a bunch of Queenie subjects instead of free citizens. Thats why we kicked some Red Coat butt couple hundred years ago so we would have the right to own weapons and protect ourself.. Thats the difference between a subject and a citizen.
 
Gee, isn't Para-Ordnance made in Canada? Their problem would not be so bad if they actually allowed the citizens to protect themselves instead of ruining a good people on a fine piece of real estate. My sympathies go out to our neighbors to the north.:(
 
kjeff50cal said:
Residents of Canada's biggest city are living in fear of increasing gun violence and blame their neighbour, the United States, for exporting their gun culture and weapons north, officials told AFP.
Avoiding responsibility - just like every socialist government.
"By and large, Canadians are pacifists. We're not gunslingers. This violence is a real departure for us,"
So just maybe there's a correlations between pacifism & the increased violence by those who are not pacifists, right?
"There is fear of retaliation if they speak to police in some sectors of the community," Pilkington said, blaming mostly gangs, some with international links, fighting over turf and drug sales and using guns imported from the United States, for the violence.
Pacifists can find it quite difficult to step out and report an offender, since they're unwilling to defend themselves from retaliation.
In the past five years, Canadian authorities seized 5,400 weapons, mostly handguns. According to Maclean's, this represented a mere fraction of the guns that enter Canada from the United States.
Proof of the failure of gun control.
"It's totally unacceptable. We don't want that kind of violence in our city," Toronto Mayor David Miller told AFP, echoing local residents who expressed concerns that America's gun culture is creeping north across the Canada-US border.
DUH - who wants that kind of violence in their city? Does he think US cities encourage murderous thugs?
Hopefully we'll be better at keeping Canadian pacifism out of the US.
"Violence and gangsterism have no place in our society," he said during a visit to a deprived Toronto neighborhood with the city mayor, blocks from where five police officers were fired upon in August.
Again, he suggests that some communities welcome violence & gangsterism. What a maroon....
"It's not a problem police and politicians can solve alone," he added.
Amen. They need the help of a well armed law abiding population.

What a textbook example of the failure of gun control.
 
Sounds like Canada and France both want to blame the people or country
that have the Guts to fix problems in our world!
At sometime in the history of one of these countries you would think they could develope the intestinal fortitude to take responsibility to solve there own problems and not blame those that do!:rolleyes:
 
If they let everyone own guns, then the rich would not have to shell out huge bribes to the politicians to obtain guns and private guards. And the politicos and the higher ups in the police would have to actually live on their salaries, an economic disaster of unprecedented proportions.

Jim
 
Residents of Canada's biggest city are living in fear of increasing gun violence and blame their neighbour, the United States, for exporting their gun culture and weapons north, officials told AFP.
Dang! So that's where they are. Musta got packed in with a shipment of foreign aid by mistake. Send 'em back, eh?

Idiots.
 
If they're perceived problem is guns coming across the border it seems to me that they need to look to border security as well.
 
. . . including a young girl shot in the head and wounded after gunmen opened fire on a crowded bus. Despite 35 witnesses, the case remains unsolved.

Now that, my friends, is a heck of an investigative unit they've got up there. I can see now how they made the link to increased firearms incidents in Canada and causes in the USA.

jmm
 
Hello, I'm a Canadian living in Canada's third largest city, Vancouver, B.C. I want to shed some light on why our Prime Minister is blaming the US for our gun problems. In 1998 Canada passed gun legislation called Bill C68. It made registration of ALL firearms mandatory including sporting/hunting rifles. Certain calibres like .25 and .32 were made prohibited as well as handguns with barrels less than 4" long. Handguns are restriceted weapons and can only be shot at an approved range and has transportation and storage requirements and restrictions. Certain military styled rifles were prohibited as well. One I know of is the AK-47. Others such as the AR-15 were made restricted which meant that they could only be shot at an approved range and had strict transportation and storage requirements. The last change they threw in this year was that prohibited firearms were no longer allowed to be shot at approved ranges rendering them dust collectors. Anyhow, enough of the long winded rhetoric. Canadians need to take a course and get licensed to buy any firearm, another mandatory course and license to buy a 'restricted' firearms such as a handgun. No further licenses are being issued for 'prohibited' class. You need a license to buy ammo for any firearm including .22lr. This whole exercise cost the Canadian government close to 2 billion dollars and the costs are still mounting when originally they said the program was to cost no more than 2 million dollars. The gun laws in Canada only punish the law abiding firearms owners and, from the news you are seeing, does little to deter the criminal element. Do a google search on bill C68 and you'll see how contentious this bill is. Now, you know why our buffoon Prime Minister has to point the finger somewhere. An election is coming soon. I'm sorry if I sound like I'm ranting and I hope to have make some sense. I apologize on the behalf of Canadians. The gun problem we face is caused by our government and our lax approach to criminals. Do you realize that a criminal has more rights in Canada than a victim? Do you realize that we do not have CCW and only a very few can carry handguns in the bush? Self protection is an oxymoron in Canada. Keep fighting for your gun rights, I understand that there are people who think like Prime Minister Paul Martin and his ilk in the US. Here's a link to the Canadian Firearms Centre:

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/
 
there was a news story earlier this week on this whole US and evil guns being smuggled up to innocent always nice Canadians. Canada PM Paul Martin said that over half of the guns came from the US, but later in the week he had to retract that statement, saying he had pulled the percentage out of the air when talking to, I believe, Condolezza Rice. I'm sure he meant nothing by such a false statement.:uhoh:
 
I just got back from canada and their border security was a joke. I could have had ANYTHING in my car and the cow in the little security booth would have yawned and waved me by.
 
"...living in fear..." Gee, none of the people I know who live in TO are living in fear. Nobody has called me looking to borrow anything from me. The drug dealers are busy fighting turf wars. The daft part is that it's illegal up here to be part of a gang and all the criminals caught or killed(None of whom are the sharpest tack in the box.) have been "known to Police". Have they been rounded up? Nope. Can't be violating a criminal's rights can we?
The rectal orifi of the governing Party aren't known for telling the truth either. Their stupid gun laws, like all stupid gun laws, were supposed to put an end to all this. Yep. So were the stupid laws that came into force in 1978. Now they're talking about mandatory sentences. Yep. We have plea bargaining too. Our twit's rantings are just them trying to deflect the public's opinion from their own criminal activities. They've stolen several million dollars and given it to their buddies.
Are illegal guns being smuggled in from the U.S.? Yep. Is anything being done about it? Nope. Our Customs guys are just as effective as your State Department's export permit.
"Agence France Presse" This bunch isn't exactly friendly to the U.S. or Canada. I wonder who they're blaming for the riots in Paris. Yahoo is an anti-firearm company too.
 
Vern Humphrey said:
Brief summary of the above, "Gun control has turned out to be a huge, embarassing boondoggle, and they're desperate to find someone to blame it on."

Sounds like Maryland's bullet fingerprinting system. Didn't solve one crime, costs millions of dollars.
 
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