Oleg Volk
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I've long wanted a Scattergun 1187 but now notice another contender: FN Police autoloader (aka Winchester X2 spiffed up). I found little info about it. Has anyone any practical experience with the FN offering?
FN autoloader vs. Remington 1187 Police
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Just the SX2 bone stock, and "slightly" modified. They run, throw anything at the Sx2 and it will take it and ask for more. IIRC I ran ~ 500 rds of slugs and 00...nary a hitch.
HTH
NO offense, but never warmed up the 11-87, the / my experience the 1100 performed better and no glitches, 11-87's just more finicky, even on just target loads and clay games...heavy stuff/ use really showed the difference.
SX2 just works, everytime.
HTH
NO offense, but never warmed up the 11-87, the / my experience the 1100 performed better and no glitches, 11-87's just more finicky, even on just target loads and clay games...heavy stuff/ use really showed the difference.
SX2 just works, everytime.
Don't like the 11-87 either. I have had a couple of them too, so I am not guessing. It is quite likely that after Bill Wilson and crew gets done with them that they work fine, but stock they are not a quality shotgun.
The SX2 is in another class completely, the Beretta 391 is the only competitor IMO. The Browning Gold is essentially the same as the SX2 in principal but has lots of added complexity with the auto loading and mag cut-off.
I would rather buy a fine shotgun and have it tweaked to suit me than to buy a shotgun and have it made to work properly and then tweak it to suit me, I have to think the first route will be cheaper in the end also.
The SX2 is in another class completely, the Beretta 391 is the only competitor IMO. The Browning Gold is essentially the same as the SX2 in principal but has lots of added complexity with the auto loading and mag cut-off.
I would rather buy a fine shotgun and have it tweaked to suit me than to buy a shotgun and have it made to work properly and then tweak it to suit me, I have to think the first route will be cheaper in the end also.
My friend has a 1187 police. It does not work well with tactical load. I don't think it has enough gas to cycle the action. You probably can get it adjusted. The point is that it is load specific.
I have no experience with the FN shotgun. However, it sounds interesting.
Does it come with choke? I have a Benelli M3, which I like it ok. The only complain about it is that it does not have removable choke.
I have no experience with the FN shotgun. However, it sounds interesting.
Does it come with choke? I have a Benelli M3, which I like it ok. The only complain about it is that it does not have removable choke.
The 11-87s from Wilson are not tweaked. They simply take a factory 11-87 Express, bolt on their accessories and refinish it. You can order it for use with light loads or heavy loads, and recieve a gun with larger or smaller gas holes. They don't smooth the action or trigger or anything.
The 11-87 Police guns are designed for heavy loads. I've read in a few places and also found out from Remington that the Police models (870, 11-87) go through more QC checks than the other models. The Police model 870s use a machined steel extractor, as opposed to the MIM extractors in the rest of the line. Don't know if it's the same with the 11-87.
If I were getting an 11-87 set up for defense, I would buy a Police model and then set it up with the Wilson accessories. I would not buy the Express model from Wilson (which I did a couple of years ago). If you get the Police model, don't get the one with the extended mag tube. It rotates in the attachment nut and requires the barrel clamp. It also extends beyond the muzzle, which I find unappealing. Go with the Wilson extended mag tube. And don't use a barrel clamp.
As for the FN autoloader, I've been thinking about one, myself. Unfortunately, in various forums over time, I cannot find ONE person that has one or has reported on heavy duty use. I haven't heard of any agencies using them, so haven't heard of any reports there, either.
Under hard use, I wonder if the FN/X2 would be prone to one of the weaknesses of the Benelli/Beretta autoloaders - that is, the opportunity to dent the aluminum receiver upon a healthy whack against a door frame, another long gun or other hard objects, thereby rendering it a club. The Remington has a steel receiver.
Now, I have sporting versions of all the above autoloaders. The thing is, I don't use any of them against something that might fight back, so they are fine. (I also have the 11-87 Police and the Wilson 11-87.)
Unfortunately (or fortunately), after much research and thought about the subject, I keep coming up with shortcomings on the current versions of autoloaders for defense. I keep coming back to the 870. It is what I would grab over all the others. The 870 defense gun to me is as close to perfect as is available. After a moderate amount of use/practice, it is a weapon with which you can feel extremely confident.
Sorry if this is too long.
Steve
The 11-87 Police guns are designed for heavy loads. I've read in a few places and also found out from Remington that the Police models (870, 11-87) go through more QC checks than the other models. The Police model 870s use a machined steel extractor, as opposed to the MIM extractors in the rest of the line. Don't know if it's the same with the 11-87.
If I were getting an 11-87 set up for defense, I would buy a Police model and then set it up with the Wilson accessories. I would not buy the Express model from Wilson (which I did a couple of years ago). If you get the Police model, don't get the one with the extended mag tube. It rotates in the attachment nut and requires the barrel clamp. It also extends beyond the muzzle, which I find unappealing. Go with the Wilson extended mag tube. And don't use a barrel clamp.
As for the FN autoloader, I've been thinking about one, myself. Unfortunately, in various forums over time, I cannot find ONE person that has one or has reported on heavy duty use. I haven't heard of any agencies using them, so haven't heard of any reports there, either.
Under hard use, I wonder if the FN/X2 would be prone to one of the weaknesses of the Benelli/Beretta autoloaders - that is, the opportunity to dent the aluminum receiver upon a healthy whack against a door frame, another long gun or other hard objects, thereby rendering it a club. The Remington has a steel receiver.
Now, I have sporting versions of all the above autoloaders. The thing is, I don't use any of them against something that might fight back, so they are fine. (I also have the 11-87 Police and the Wilson 11-87.)
Unfortunately (or fortunately), after much research and thought about the subject, I keep coming up with shortcomings on the current versions of autoloaders for defense. I keep coming back to the 870. It is what I would grab over all the others. The 870 defense gun to me is as close to perfect as is available. After a moderate amount of use/practice, it is a weapon with which you can feel extremely confident.
Sorry if this is too long.
Steve
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Steve, good post and thanks for the info.
FWIW, my SX2 is a hunting gun. It hunts HARD and heavy, and is starting to look it some 4 seasons and nearly 5 years later. I put it through worse than I could see a defensive gun getting put through as far as treatment and maintenance go. I have not bashed in a door with it but I have butt stroked a goose head into the mud, and even paddled and "push-poled" my boat, long story but the gun is fine. It has fallen, gotten whacked by dogs, decoys and grown men. It always gets a rough ride in the bottom of the boat with a load of guys, gear and dogs. It is as tough as the 870 it replaced IMO, and just as reliable so far.........
FWIW, my SX2 is a hunting gun. It hunts HARD and heavy, and is starting to look it some 4 seasons and nearly 5 years later. I put it through worse than I could see a defensive gun getting put through as far as treatment and maintenance go. I have not bashed in a door with it but I have butt stroked a goose head into the mud, and even paddled and "push-poled" my boat, long story but the gun is fine. It has fallen, gotten whacked by dogs, decoys and grown men. It always gets a rough ride in the bottom of the boat with a load of guys, gear and dogs. It is as tough as the 870 it replaced IMO, and just as reliable so far.........
HSMITH,
You are a big part of the reason I bought a 3.5" SX2, myself, after having read your favorable postings on the SX2. My gut feeling is, the FN auto police is probably a very good option. It's just been frustrating that I can't find anyone actually using them.
Some things I'd like to find out are:
- how are the sights holding up?
- do the sights line up properly?
- does that extended magazine have any weaknesses?
- any peculiarities due to any possible differences in the FN and the SX2?
- any gas port differences?
- how is the reliability after people start hanging things on them? (side saddle, lights, etc.) I don't use lights on any shotguns, but it kind of gives a bit of indication as to how forgiving the system is.
At the price point these guns run, I'm just waiting on other guinea pigs.
Steve
You are a big part of the reason I bought a 3.5" SX2, myself, after having read your favorable postings on the SX2. My gut feeling is, the FN auto police is probably a very good option. It's just been frustrating that I can't find anyone actually using them.
Some things I'd like to find out are:
- how are the sights holding up?
- do the sights line up properly?
- does that extended magazine have any weaknesses?
- any peculiarities due to any possible differences in the FN and the SX2?
- any gas port differences?
- how is the reliability after people start hanging things on them? (side saddle, lights, etc.) I don't use lights on any shotguns, but it kind of gives a bit of indication as to how forgiving the system is.
At the price point these guns run, I'm just waiting on other guinea pigs.
Steve
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I edited because I probably stepped on toes, based on MY experiences and what I see my buddy work on. He has 3 gunners and gamers, and some wannabe's tossed in the mix. He also has the seasoned Vet , LEO, SWAT, FBI and and the like.
I respect Bill Wilson. I respect what HE EARNED in Shooting Skills, Pistolsmithing, marketing...etc. He came up the hard way and earned it.
He is in State ~ 4 hrs from me. I really wish he had the old gent that did revolvers ( name escapes me) a true gentleman, that knows revolvers.
I remember when people learned to shoot, LEO used to shoot revolvers, and part of quals was from 50 yds, 50 yds not 50 feet. Shotguns, were taught, and used quite effectively. Yes there has always been a need for a better handgun grip, swivel studs on a SG, better slings...improvements that better fit GUN TO SHOOTER. We had for a long time people whom grew up with firearms, learned to shoot. These same persons went into the military, or LEO. They knew how to shoot.
We have somewhere "lost" this tradition of raising firearm enthusiasts. Instead of learning and earning the skills , we have a "generation, or group" that tries to buy skills and targets --wishbooks, gunwriters, internet...really influences this generation.
I'm not picking on or bashing Wilson, or any other similar company. I'm from the old school and like the concept of "Postioning" Postioning ( see Trout and Ries) is simple, what position does one want to be in the mind of the consumer? IF I ask you "name a luxury car, soda, pain reliever..." etc., you will reply with what YOU have positioned in your mind as the best.
Yes some companies are the Best at what they do, they provide a great product, great service. Ah the rub is there are persons whom are vulnerable to buying skills and targets, they have credit cards, and are easily succeptible to buy a "position" that really does not fit their needs.
See the old guys bought on lay-a way, or payroll deduction, that set of grips to fit their hand, that back-up J frame, swivel studs and slings. They could shoot,they had earned it, the quals times, and the shotguns skills from hunting ( becausee they had to or go hungry) were also used in the JOB,training for job, or competition, amongst their bretheren.
I've been working with a guy, first we had to work on his tricked out black 11-87, he spent a lot of monies, and this is not the first time my buddy had to 'unfix' a gun and then 'fix' one right. This gun is for a civilian to play gamer, and HD. I believe he has or will sell it.
Dunno, the gun runs now, but maybe when we had a deal where he was to pretend to hold a perp at bay one-handed because he hada phone in the other hand that 12# gun got a little heavy, he could not fire the gun one handed. 6' 3" big muscles in pretty good shape ( better than I). I'm 6' 170 # more lanky, I did with a SX2, 1100, 870. His wife could, she is petite 5'1 and 110 #s. Her gun for HD is a 1100 20 ga, she can also do it with a 870 20 ga. Just a real life deal she may be faced with.
I'm suppposed to work with this guy, he has a case of light target loads and we are going back to square one, honest, I have to unteach him...his wife was a great student, still is...she has the fundamentals, and she can use a SX2 stock gun pretty good. She is up to 100 repetitions a day( low ready, mount gun to face and dryfire) with a 870 12 ga. stock gun, her hubby is not at that point yet. He can't do 25 with his tricked out gun, gripes about doing 20 with same 870 she is using.
These two have a "friendly shoot" hubby vs wife ... I'm betting on the wife. She prefers the 1100 12 ga, because it fits her better, she is beggining to warm up to SX2 because of bolt release. I don't bring my SX1 out , the wife wants it, and I beat him like a drum with it...a stock gun beat a tricked out gun.
That tricked out 11-87 police got beat by a '74 model stock gun. That noise we heard was ego being sucked out and spilling onto the ground.
I'm still gonna bet on the wife.
I edited because I probably stepped on toes, based on MY experiences and what I see my buddy work on. He has 3 gunners and gamers, and some wannabe's tossed in the mix. He also has the seasoned Vet , LEO, SWAT, FBI and and the like.
I respect Bill Wilson. I respect what HE EARNED in Shooting Skills, Pistolsmithing, marketing...etc. He came up the hard way and earned it.
He is in State ~ 4 hrs from me. I really wish he had the old gent that did revolvers ( name escapes me) a true gentleman, that knows revolvers.
I remember when people learned to shoot, LEO used to shoot revolvers, and part of quals was from 50 yds, 50 yds not 50 feet. Shotguns, were taught, and used quite effectively. Yes there has always been a need for a better handgun grip, swivel studs on a SG, better slings...improvements that better fit GUN TO SHOOTER. We had for a long time people whom grew up with firearms, learned to shoot. These same persons went into the military, or LEO. They knew how to shoot.
We have somewhere "lost" this tradition of raising firearm enthusiasts. Instead of learning and earning the skills , we have a "generation, or group" that tries to buy skills and targets --wishbooks, gunwriters, internet...really influences this generation.
I'm not picking on or bashing Wilson, or any other similar company. I'm from the old school and like the concept of "Postioning" Postioning ( see Trout and Ries) is simple, what position does one want to be in the mind of the consumer? IF I ask you "name a luxury car, soda, pain reliever..." etc., you will reply with what YOU have positioned in your mind as the best.
Yes some companies are the Best at what they do, they provide a great product, great service. Ah the rub is there are persons whom are vulnerable to buying skills and targets, they have credit cards, and are easily succeptible to buy a "position" that really does not fit their needs.
See the old guys bought on lay-a way, or payroll deduction, that set of grips to fit their hand, that back-up J frame, swivel studs and slings. They could shoot,they had earned it, the quals times, and the shotguns skills from hunting ( becausee they had to or go hungry) were also used in the JOB,training for job, or competition, amongst their bretheren.
I've been working with a guy, first we had to work on his tricked out black 11-87, he spent a lot of monies, and this is not the first time my buddy had to 'unfix' a gun and then 'fix' one right. This gun is for a civilian to play gamer, and HD. I believe he has or will sell it.
Dunno, the gun runs now, but maybe when we had a deal where he was to pretend to hold a perp at bay one-handed because he hada phone in the other hand that 12# gun got a little heavy, he could not fire the gun one handed. 6' 3" big muscles in pretty good shape ( better than I). I'm 6' 170 # more lanky, I did with a SX2, 1100, 870. His wife could, she is petite 5'1 and 110 #s. Her gun for HD is a 1100 20 ga, she can also do it with a 870 20 ga. Just a real life deal she may be faced with.
I'm suppposed to work with this guy, he has a case of light target loads and we are going back to square one, honest, I have to unteach him...his wife was a great student, still is...she has the fundamentals, and she can use a SX2 stock gun pretty good. She is up to 100 repetitions a day( low ready, mount gun to face and dryfire) with a 870 12 ga. stock gun, her hubby is not at that point yet. He can't do 25 with his tricked out gun, gripes about doing 20 with same 870 she is using.
These two have a "friendly shoot" hubby vs wife ... I'm betting on the wife. She prefers the 1100 12 ga, because it fits her better, she is beggining to warm up to SX2 because of bolt release. I don't bring my SX1 out , the wife wants it, and I beat him like a drum with it...a stock gun beat a tricked out gun.
That tricked out 11-87 police got beat by a '74 model stock gun. That noise we heard was ego being sucked out and spilling onto the ground.
I'm still gonna bet on the wife.
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Billy Sparks
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Local Fire Administrator (read County Fire Marshall) hunts heavily with a Super X2. He loves his and from his descriptions he does not baby it.
Also SteveW13, I agree about the mag tube on the 11-87 Police sticking out past the muzzle. I horse traded a P7M8 for one a couple of years ago. The end of my mag tube is noticeable discolored from use.
Also SteveW13, I agree about the mag tube on the 11-87 Police sticking out past the muzzle. I horse traded a P7M8 for one a couple of years ago. The end of my mag tube is noticeable discolored from use.
You have some good questions Steve, and some that for me don't matter at all. I don't believe you need sights on a shotgun for example so I could care less how they hold up. I would like to know if the extension is as tough as the rest of the gun and if there are any differences though, things like that.
I prefer a plain-jane shotgun that works. I don't have any accessories other than a sling on any of my shotguns, not even an extended magazine. I do see the concern though for you guys that want that other stuff on a shotgun.
I prefer a plain-jane shotgun that works. I don't have any accessories other than a sling on any of my shotguns, not even an extended magazine. I do see the concern though for you guys that want that other stuff on a shotgun.
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HSMITH again we agree.
I use beads, and a sling to get me in and out of the woods. I use leather ( the relic in me) and due to pendulum effect I rarely shoot with it. Of course ducks always come in when walking out...I can adapt.
Deer I use a sling to steady, like a rifle. HD for my use, I don't want a sling to hang up, that pendulum effect dealie too.
For ME, and based on a former life/job, I figured the real harsh realities. A serious situation would be fast, ugly and close. I want the mobility and agility of a stock gun. I shot a few shells downrange and well, for me, a shotgun that is an extension of me is a good tool. I'm a civilian, I don't do 3 gun, or games. I have, I use some methods to teach or make a point, but I'm just a regular guy.
I reserve the right to be wrong. I don't have the experience, training from a facilty, LEO or military like a lot of folks. All I have is my experience of a few shells downrange, what I have observed...including what works and what does not.I see what my gun gunsmithe "un-fixes". What is an aid and what seems to be a crutch or hinderance...or both.
I'm probably wrong tho'...
I use beads, and a sling to get me in and out of the woods. I use leather ( the relic in me) and due to pendulum effect I rarely shoot with it. Of course ducks always come in when walking out...I can adapt.
Deer I use a sling to steady, like a rifle. HD for my use, I don't want a sling to hang up, that pendulum effect dealie too.
For ME, and based on a former life/job, I figured the real harsh realities. A serious situation would be fast, ugly and close. I want the mobility and agility of a stock gun. I shot a few shells downrange and well, for me, a shotgun that is an extension of me is a good tool. I'm a civilian, I don't do 3 gun, or games. I have, I use some methods to teach or make a point, but I'm just a regular guy.
I reserve the right to be wrong. I don't have the experience, training from a facilty, LEO or military like a lot of folks. All I have is my experience of a few shells downrange, what I have observed...including what works and what does not.I see what my gun gunsmithe "un-fixes". What is an aid and what seems to be a crutch or hinderance...or both.
I'm probably wrong tho'...
nice thread... i had an m1s90 and a 1201fp about 12 years ago and sold them,... and recently began looking for a replacement, primarily either an 11-87P or the FN SLP.
I decided on the11-87P, but before finding one, i found an SLP new on gunbroker for $650 and bought it... a few days later i found an 11-87P barely used with rifle sights for $440- so i drossed that too... I am just a few days away from pickup of both, and looking foward to a nice 300round range/break in day, then a review here...
I decided on the11-87P, but before finding one, i found an SLP new on gunbroker for $650 and bought it... a few days later i found an 11-87P barely used with rifle sights for $440- so i drossed that too... I am just a few days away from pickup of both, and looking foward to a nice 300round range/break in day, then a review here...
Review
Went to the range today with:
-11-87P rifle sights, new to me (“under 100rds through it previously” but looks like it doesnt even have that through it... )
-FN SLP (self loading Police model) Ghost Ring
Ammo, all 2.3/4:
-Wolf 1 1/8oz, #8
-Winchester (wally box) 1.1/8thoz, #7.1/2
-Fed. Tact. Police 00B 1oz
-Fed. Tact. Police rifled slugs 1oz
Both cleaned prior to shooting as per instructions....
The 11-87P really feals like a solid shotgun, not heafty enough to warrant a complaint, but very substantial feeling in the hand. Shooting clays, i found it pointed and connected great, better than the SLP, but that may be my bias as my ‘go-to’ shotgun is an 870, with similar ergonomics of the 11-87. The park on it is nice, and the action is smooth (though not as smooth as the SLP’s.
Dislike the ‘release’ button on the elevator, that must be pushed to release the bolt foward, or to allow the elevator to go up prior to loading (each time this must be depressed). Sort of poor design imo.
Firstly, shooting the Wolf, all rounds fired, but the action would not cycle once. The Bolt never came back enough to eject, let alone feed another shot. The Winchester saw no difference, so shooting clay and manually cycling the bolt. Doing this, i found the extractor did not grab with as much authority as i would like... (may need to address in the future?)
Shooting the slugs, every round dydled perfectly, and with the rifle sights, i was just digging a hole at 100yds. grouping within 5” seemed to be the norm for 25rds@100yds... definately minute of man- no problem. Out to 200yds man sized targets are no problem (hit the 10” plate regularly, and when missed i was really close)... this was cool imo. Also, for a slug gun- it was a pleasure to shoot, lightly recoiling (def. softer than the SLP, which was not so bad either)...
Shooting 00B she cycled but not quite as fast as i would have liked, and seamed to be getting slower to the end of the day (now having had about 150rds of assorted stuff through her)...
The SLP is finished nicely, very lightweight. The size grew on me through the day, as at first i found it a little fat (fatter foregrip and i am used to) but by the end of the day, i may prefer this?.... The bolt release is on the side (where i prefer it) and that elevator button/relase of the 11-87 is absent on the slp, which is better for me. I did note that when loading, the positive lock of the round into the mag tube is less authoritive than the 11-87, leading me to load a round and not depress it enough so that it holds in, and then backs out before the next round goes in... this happened more than once. I feel the depth that you must depress the round to catch is quite deeper than the 11-87, which i am not too fond of.
Shooting clays, neither the wolf or Winchester would eject or cycle at all. I had to manually work her each time (and this was using the ‘light loads’ insert, made for loads under 1.5oz( shotgun comes with another gas insert for loads over 1.5oz). I was really dissapointed that she would not cycle the light stuff, especially considering the insert just for this purpose.
The Ghost ring setup was at first much harder for me to use on clay, and aquire target, but by the end of the day, i was getting close to the same number of hits as with the remmy.
Slugs functioned fantastic, and cycled nice and fast, as did the 00B, both ejecting c leanly. Noting light recoil but heavier than the 11-87. With the Ghost rings, my 100yd slug groups were about 1.5’ spread (foot, not inch), and then i stuck a little tasco red dot ($25Midway sale) on her, and i was digging the same tight hole as with the rifle sights on the remmy...
Wished both cycled lighter stuff they way they did the 00b/slugs, and that they cycled the 00b/slugs harder and faster- as that would be my pref.
Thats all so far,... may do some ‘work’ on them and take them out again...
Oh, and so you know my bias/personality... my go to guns (and have many diff. variety to go to, but first pick is always the same). 1. Glock21 (.45 with grip reduction, meps, and M6x laser/light combo) and 2. Remmington 870, basic lightweight express, with knoxx specops and vang comp system- shoot them all day/night, and nary a target would be safe if i wanted it... 100% function, with form to follow- cant say enough about my 870- i really love her-
Have had an M1s90 and 1201fp back when i was in college (some 13yrs ago) and sold them both. They functioned great (as far as i recall), and were light weight which i love, but they were just not a joy to shoot, and kicked a bit too much for my tastes, and were pure punishment to spend the day slugging, where the 11-87 is a pleasure for that purpose
Went to the range today with:
-11-87P rifle sights, new to me (“under 100rds through it previously” but looks like it doesnt even have that through it... )
-FN SLP (self loading Police model) Ghost Ring
Ammo, all 2.3/4:
-Wolf 1 1/8oz, #8
-Winchester (wally box) 1.1/8thoz, #7.1/2
-Fed. Tact. Police 00B 1oz
-Fed. Tact. Police rifled slugs 1oz
Both cleaned prior to shooting as per instructions....
The 11-87P really feals like a solid shotgun, not heafty enough to warrant a complaint, but very substantial feeling in the hand. Shooting clays, i found it pointed and connected great, better than the SLP, but that may be my bias as my ‘go-to’ shotgun is an 870, with similar ergonomics of the 11-87. The park on it is nice, and the action is smooth (though not as smooth as the SLP’s.
Dislike the ‘release’ button on the elevator, that must be pushed to release the bolt foward, or to allow the elevator to go up prior to loading (each time this must be depressed). Sort of poor design imo.
Firstly, shooting the Wolf, all rounds fired, but the action would not cycle once. The Bolt never came back enough to eject, let alone feed another shot. The Winchester saw no difference, so shooting clay and manually cycling the bolt. Doing this, i found the extractor did not grab with as much authority as i would like... (may need to address in the future?)
Shooting the slugs, every round dydled perfectly, and with the rifle sights, i was just digging a hole at 100yds. grouping within 5” seemed to be the norm for 25rds@100yds... definately minute of man- no problem. Out to 200yds man sized targets are no problem (hit the 10” plate regularly, and when missed i was really close)... this was cool imo. Also, for a slug gun- it was a pleasure to shoot, lightly recoiling (def. softer than the SLP, which was not so bad either)...
Shooting 00B she cycled but not quite as fast as i would have liked, and seamed to be getting slower to the end of the day (now having had about 150rds of assorted stuff through her)...
The SLP is finished nicely, very lightweight. The size grew on me through the day, as at first i found it a little fat (fatter foregrip and i am used to) but by the end of the day, i may prefer this?.... The bolt release is on the side (where i prefer it) and that elevator button/relase of the 11-87 is absent on the slp, which is better for me. I did note that when loading, the positive lock of the round into the mag tube is less authoritive than the 11-87, leading me to load a round and not depress it enough so that it holds in, and then backs out before the next round goes in... this happened more than once. I feel the depth that you must depress the round to catch is quite deeper than the 11-87, which i am not too fond of.
Shooting clays, neither the wolf or Winchester would eject or cycle at all. I had to manually work her each time (and this was using the ‘light loads’ insert, made for loads under 1.5oz( shotgun comes with another gas insert for loads over 1.5oz). I was really dissapointed that she would not cycle the light stuff, especially considering the insert just for this purpose.
The Ghost ring setup was at first much harder for me to use on clay, and aquire target, but by the end of the day, i was getting close to the same number of hits as with the remmy.
Slugs functioned fantastic, and cycled nice and fast, as did the 00B, both ejecting c leanly. Noting light recoil but heavier than the 11-87. With the Ghost rings, my 100yd slug groups were about 1.5’ spread (foot, not inch), and then i stuck a little tasco red dot ($25Midway sale) on her, and i was digging the same tight hole as with the rifle sights on the remmy...
Wished both cycled lighter stuff they way they did the 00b/slugs, and that they cycled the 00b/slugs harder and faster- as that would be my pref.
Thats all so far,... may do some ‘work’ on them and take them out again...
Oh, and so you know my bias/personality... my go to guns (and have many diff. variety to go to, but first pick is always the same). 1. Glock21 (.45 with grip reduction, meps, and M6x laser/light combo) and 2. Remmington 870, basic lightweight express, with knoxx specops and vang comp system- shoot them all day/night, and nary a target would be safe if i wanted it... 100% function, with form to follow- cant say enough about my 870- i really love her-
Have had an M1s90 and 1201fp back when i was in college (some 13yrs ago) and sold them both. They functioned great (as far as i recall), and were light weight which i love, but they were just not a joy to shoot, and kicked a bit too much for my tastes, and were pure punishment to spend the day slugging, where the 11-87 is a pleasure for that purpose
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hey Iron, is it true you have to run the FN SLP dry before reloading (i.e. no topping off)? i dont' remember where, but i read that somewhere ...
This is a *great* thread, caused me to buy a FN SLP. I brought it out today for breaking in, and it worked well.
It was 100% cycle with:
AA#8s
Remington promo#8s
Estate SWAT Low Recoil 00-Buck
0-50% cycle with:
Winchester promo#8s
0% cycle with:
Hornady Low Recoil 00-Buck
My 1187 today was -
100% cycle with:
AA#8s
Estate SWAT Low Recoil 00-Buck
0% cycle with:
Hornady Low Recoil 00-Buck
Winchester promo#8s
I like the FNSLP, it's faster to cycle, faster to load (CAN be 'topped off' by adding to magazine with bolt closed), fits well, handles like my Browning Gold. Did I say it's FAST?
I like both the FNSLP, and the 1187, the FNSLP is getting my vote right now.
Thanks,
John
It was 100% cycle with:
AA#8s
Remington promo#8s
Estate SWAT Low Recoil 00-Buck
0-50% cycle with:
Winchester promo#8s
0% cycle with:
Hornady Low Recoil 00-Buck
My 1187 today was -
100% cycle with:
AA#8s
Estate SWAT Low Recoil 00-Buck
0% cycle with:
Hornady Low Recoil 00-Buck
Winchester promo#8s
I like the FNSLP, it's faster to cycle, faster to load (CAN be 'topped off' by adding to magazine with bolt closed), fits well, handles like my Browning Gold. Did I say it's FAST?
I like both the FNSLP, and the 1187, the FNSLP is getting my vote right now.
Thanks,
John
FN SLP - Problems with Ammo
The following shells would not load into the magazine tube of my FN SLP:
1. Remington Express long Range 12 ga - 2 3/4 - 1 1/4 oz - 7 1/2 shot
2. Winchester Super X 12 ga - 2 3/4 - 1 1/4 oz - 7 1/2 shot
Has anyone else had this problem?
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Having read a number of threads on auto shutguns, I decided to pick up an FN SLP. Supposedly, it cycles faster than a Benelli (albeit by 1/100 of a second) and, from what I've read, the Winchester SX2 (its sibling) has a better reputation for reliability than the Remingtons.
Using the piston for light loads, I took it to the range and successfully fired 25 shells of Winchester AA Heavy Target Load - 2 3/4 - 1 1/8 oz - 7 1/2 shot. The gun cycled fast and was accurate.The ghost ring sight tended to loosen, but all in all it shot well at 21 ft and 25 yards.
I haven't shot a shotgun for years, but I can tell you after 50 shells, my shoulder is allright. I can definitely tell I've been shooting, but the recoil was nothing like my Mossberg 12 ga. pump I used to own.
I did have a problem with getting some ammunition to insert into the magazine cylinder; I tried to insert the shells, but they wouldn't go in all the way in. Not wanting to force them, I gave up on the ammo. Has anyone had similar problems? Was I using incorrect ammo? Is there something wrong with my gun? Shells that wouldn't go into the magazine cylinder:
1. Remington Express long Range 12 ga - 2 3/4 - 1 1/4 oz - 7 1/2 shot
2. Winchester Super X 12 ga - 2 3/4 - 1 1/4 oz - 7 1/2 shot
Thanks.
Jim
The following shells would not load into the magazine tube of my FN SLP:
1. Remington Express long Range 12 ga - 2 3/4 - 1 1/4 oz - 7 1/2 shot
2. Winchester Super X 12 ga - 2 3/4 - 1 1/4 oz - 7 1/2 shot
Has anyone else had this problem?
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Having read a number of threads on auto shutguns, I decided to pick up an FN SLP. Supposedly, it cycles faster than a Benelli (albeit by 1/100 of a second) and, from what I've read, the Winchester SX2 (its sibling) has a better reputation for reliability than the Remingtons.
Using the piston for light loads, I took it to the range and successfully fired 25 shells of Winchester AA Heavy Target Load - 2 3/4 - 1 1/8 oz - 7 1/2 shot. The gun cycled fast and was accurate.The ghost ring sight tended to loosen, but all in all it shot well at 21 ft and 25 yards.
I haven't shot a shotgun for years, but I can tell you after 50 shells, my shoulder is allright. I can definitely tell I've been shooting, but the recoil was nothing like my Mossberg 12 ga. pump I used to own.
I did have a problem with getting some ammunition to insert into the magazine cylinder; I tried to insert the shells, but they wouldn't go in all the way in. Not wanting to force them, I gave up on the ammo. Has anyone had similar problems? Was I using incorrect ammo? Is there something wrong with my gun? Shells that wouldn't go into the magazine cylinder:
1. Remington Express long Range 12 ga - 2 3/4 - 1 1/4 oz - 7 1/2 shot
2. Winchester Super X 12 ga - 2 3/4 - 1 1/4 oz - 7 1/2 shot
Thanks.
Jim
PT92
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Not sure on the FN but I would risk my life on my 1187P and that includes taking into account my Saiga 12. With buck and slugs, the 1187P will serve you as good as any other Tactical Shotty if not better.
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The previous post above (posted a few years ago) are true about the light loads through the 1187, but they are also true for the SX2. The FN SLP/Win SX2 does, however, come with a second gas regular, one for regular and heavy loads and one for light loads (At leas my SLP and SX2 Practical both came with extra ones). (I do have to say, though, that I've never run super light loads through my 1187.)
The SLP/SX2 also have rubberized grippy stocks (the non-wood ones) as opposed to the hard PP plastic of the 1187s.
The SLP/SX2 also have rubberized grippy stocks (the non-wood ones) as opposed to the hard PP plastic of the 1187s.
FNSLP Update
I now have over 500 shells through my SLP. To break it in, I did 250 light loads and 250 of the heavier loads. The SLP digested about everything I put through it. I think my issue with earlier shells was due to the fact the shells were a little swollen (may have been sold some reloads). However, all in all the gun digested about everything. And after 500 shells absoulutely no broken parts, well aside from the sight which I see as a real weakness. They really need a rear sight with a throw lever system.
I did have difficulty getting parts for the SLP, took over a year to get a replacement rear sight. I wound up having to send e-mails and make phone calls to the corporate office. Finally got in touch with someone at Browning that could get me the sight.
I picked up an 11-87 in the interim. Haven't shot it yet, but there are certainly more parts. In terms of the construction, there is really no comparison, the FN SLP is a more refined gun with better constuction. That being said, I can certiainlly get replacement parts for the 11-87 a heck of a lot easier (barrel swaps are a snap).
Guess I don't have to choose, I have both.
I now have over 500 shells through my SLP. To break it in, I did 250 light loads and 250 of the heavier loads. The SLP digested about everything I put through it. I think my issue with earlier shells was due to the fact the shells were a little swollen (may have been sold some reloads). However, all in all the gun digested about everything. And after 500 shells absoulutely no broken parts, well aside from the sight which I see as a real weakness. They really need a rear sight with a throw lever system.
I did have difficulty getting parts for the SLP, took over a year to get a replacement rear sight. I wound up having to send e-mails and make phone calls to the corporate office. Finally got in touch with someone at Browning that could get me the sight.
I picked up an 11-87 in the interim. Haven't shot it yet, but there are certainly more parts. In terms of the construction, there is really no comparison, the FN SLP is a more refined gun with better constuction. That being said, I can certiainlly get replacement parts for the 11-87 a heck of a lot easier (barrel swaps are a snap).
Guess I don't have to choose, I have both.
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