Followed & Fired at.

[Cuda]

For whatever it's worth you need to get to the police and press charges. Attempted murder is no game and I would hate to hear that one of our family was hurt or killed. This is one time to let the cops do the jobs we often say they can't..

Good luck and please stay safe..

C

 

[Run&Shoot]

You are involved with a girl that was involved with a felon. Felon has felon buddies and they are all willing to kill you at first sight in broad daylight for "taking" said felon's girl while he was "away."

You have to decide how much you love (not like or lust for) the girl. If you love her you need to move ASAP with as little visibility to her family and yours and her neighborhood as fast and far as you can. Within state probably doesn't count as a real move. Cross country to either a big city with lots of anonymity or a small town where you can easily spot a stranger showing up. Then get ready for eventual war. Moving just buys time but you have to be ready to take on the inevitable threat. Does she mean that much to you?

If she isn't worth dying for, then you need to drop her like a hot potato. You probably still want to move ASAP (like in hours not days or weeks).

There is no shame in being scared. What matters is what you do in spite of your fear. If you have a good reason for not backing off then you have to rationally think through how to prepare for the inevitable attacks and how to stop them both in the instance and any future attempts. If you can't come up with a strategy to ensure your safety and that of your family, then retreat to live another day is a rational, not cowardly, option.

I don't see what you have at stake that is worth risking your life or your family's. Move away, start fresh, and learn to not hang out with girls that used to date criminals who are in jail lusting for their girl. Sounds like her neighborhood may be a tip off too if the crook and his friends hang out there as well. you can have a whole life ahead of you that is successful and full of friends and fun. Why spend it looking over your shoulder or winding up on a slab in the next month?

 

[Almond27]

I don't always think moving is always the answer and what if he has a really good job and I'd press charges and Pray hard

 

[Treo]

This Story Really Smells

I'm talking like a monkey's butt.

But on the off chance that it's real, here's my idea of how to handle it.

I doubt the girl is the primary reason they're going after you the snitching is. If that's true dumping the girl won't change any thing.

First question are you willing to trust the girl W/ your life. ( If you had to think about it the answer is no).

Regardless of how wonderful you're job may or may not be it's time to move completely out of that world.( by that I mean go where you are unknown) If that means the next town over go there if it means out of state go there .

That's really the simplest solution.
Staying where you're at is just inviting more attacks.

I still think the story stinks

 

[Code3GT]

Wow, sounds like a bad hollywood movie, or hyped up small-town drama. Something doesnt click here. But for sake of argument, document everything, keep the police informed of everything YOU know (family involved, motive, etc) and keep a firearm close. Sounds like there's more to it than snitching. Did you fuel the fire at all? ie mouth off? make threats?

 

[bobbarker]

+1 Treo...kinda smells to me.

Although, that's what everyone said about my story shortly after I got here, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Trying to put myself in that situation, where you're at now, not what I would have done before, because I would have done EVERYTHING differently, where you're at now, I wouldn't move. I'm not going to upend my entire life over this. I would however, lose the girl, unless I'm figuring on marrying her. Invest in a good alarm system, get some RO's going. These guys were in jail before, file the report, look at mug shots, ID the guys. Cops got something to go on, go get the guys, put them away for a long time. Attempted murder, kind of a big deal. On top of that, always carry, sleep with a shotgun under the bed, and a sidearm next to it. Not saying you gotta be a hero, but not saying you gotta tuck tail and run either. Just my opinion.

 

[chieftain]

You say you don't want to aggravate them anymore by bringing charges yadda yadda yadda.

Bring charges.

I can stay out of the mix.

Write a note to your self, you are already in the mix. Multiple people shooting at you is what the police call a “CLUE”.

I just dont want to be flamed under my real name for being scared 2 file charges again.

Under thier rules & thier game I'm a snitch for pressing charges. I did press charges for a assualt look what happend.

Get your priorities right first. In the middle of this, you are worried about being flamed on a forum you come to for help from? News flash, a lot more than your sensitivities are about to get hit. And stop worrying about pissing them off, you have already been successful, and while with what BG #1 considers his girl, or at least that’s his excuse.

Question? Who was being assaulted, in the earlier incident that you pressed charges in?

Stay alive and out of trouble

I was up all night trying to figure out how to make this go away I know thay have a big bad family & friend network. I dont want to run away & let them get away with it but I need to protect myself & family

You are already in the trouble. Wake up to reality.

Now decide.

Is this the hill you want to die on? You really don’t seem to committed to this fight. It usually doesn’t portend well, when the BG’s want you, more than you want them.

If it is the hill you are willing to die on, what have you done to secure the woman? She is the one that this is all about according to you. Is she willing to fight and die on this hill, with you? Once YOU AND HER, make that decision, two more problems present. RUN and hide, or stand and fight? Remember she HAS to make these decisions with you and want to. Freely and of her own volition. If you had to talk her into any of this, I would put serious distance between her and you. Does she have a criminal record of her own? Family problems of her own related to this? Etc...... If these guys are known criminals in your area the local LEO's will normally be very happy to work with you. Are you the kind of guy that LEO’s are happy to work with?

If you and her choose to fight, do you have the ability and resources to carry the fight to the other guys? THIS IS WAR 101 STUFF. Find the best defensive ground you can, own it (figuratively). Know it inside and out. This is where you develop your and her killing ground or grounds if multiple locations are available and or needed. Get more resources, number one here is the police. Restraining orders, a report for every small incident. etc... for both you and her. Let both your families know, particularly in case these miscreants should take it out on them. Give your own people a heads up. Get as much help from your family and friends as you can. Appropriate weapons, and adequate ammunition. That means rifles and shotguns. Remember handguns are for convenience, rifles and shot guns are for fighting. Make sure both you and her are up to date and totally versed in your state/area's gun and self defense laws and regulations. Remember the fight is rarely the way YOU planned it. Plan for the unexpected. (how is that for an oxymoron)

Oh yea, clean up the cab of your truck. I liked the idea one fellow had of the big hitch for defensive purposes. Make sure your truck will stand up to extreme driving that you may have to do. Maintain the truck and your weapons. Yes you will be tired, but get that tank filled up every night and clean that weapon you practiced with today, now, not in the morning. These guys ain't going to wait for you and her to be ready, that is your job.

This isn't a fight, it is war. If you think it is to 'hard' or takes up to much of your time and effort, runaway. If you or she, get tired of "living this way" runaway. If you or she, feel like a victim, runaway. There are legal ways to go on the attack too, but they are not for the open forum. Carry the fight to the bad guys. Keep putting them in jail and hopefully prison. Make it so painful for them to bother and/or hurt you that they don't want to. If any of them become fixated on you or her, and they may already have. Running may be the best option, or at least until that individual is unable to fixate on you or her anymore.

But in none of your thread have I heard any commitment, to her or from her, to the fight or run question. Running is not losing or the wrong thing by the way. Often it is the only option, that sometimes works, not always. But if you or her assume the victim shroud in this and start throwing pity parties for yourself and her, you and/or her will lose.

Fight or run, is not necessarily that fighting is the brave and/or smart thing, often running is. Until the problem is resolved, no one can tell you which is which. The most important result is to get the desired result for you, but for the short term, you and her may be in for it.

Critical decisions need to be made. If folks are already shooting at you, you no longer have time to decide, it is now. Hope it was worth it.

Para Bellum

Go figure.

Fred

 

[BADUNAME37]

Again, my suggestion is move out of town (or out of state), whatever it takes. I concur with those who are asking questions about this "lady friend."

If it is truly love, both ways, then she will go with you. If it isn't, then perhaps she is better staying put while you leave.

On the other hand, if she is a snitch for the bad guys, then anything you say to her can and will be used AGAINST YOU by the BGs! Think about that one!

You are in my prayers.

Inspector

 

[highlander 5]

Story sounded fishy when I read it but I will make one suggestion that no one has made,get a bluetooth device for your phone. If your is not bluetooth capable get a phone that is.
That way no phone fumbling. The price in my neck of the woods for a bluetooth ear piece is $30 -$50 cheap insurance to keep both hands on the wheel.

 

[almostkilled]

Question? Who was being assaulted, in the earlier incident that you pressed charges in?

I was. I was at her parents about a mile from mine when a guy I didn't know ran up 2 me & I must admit kick the sh*t out of me. The police were called & I gave a report. That guy was only sent back to prison to finish off the remainder of his term little over 3 months. When he got sent back she told me that his "family" made threats against me for being a snitch

For those of you who doubt I guess I can understand, but this is real. I still don't understand how it got to this point & honestly when I first heard they were threating me I said whatever he's just blowing smoke but it's come to this.

So far I've been caught off guard & unprepared but this needs to change because they can come at me with people that I don't know to look out for already. So I guess I'm looking for a lesson in awareness & others. Too much 2fast.

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

fight hard fight dirty fight to win

pursue em on all levels get folks evicted arrested and generally ruin their life if they are on the other side . evaluate real hard the relationship and whether shes a part of problem

 

[tepin]

You need to figure out where all the police stations are in the area and next time drive to one. That should cause the people following to break-off. Shooting from a car is dangerous. You put innocent people at risk.

 

[Browns Fan]

Quote:
"There is no shame in being scared. What matters is what you do in spite of your fear. If you have a good reason for not backing off then you have to rationally think through how to prepare for the inevitable attacks and how to stop them both in the instance and any future attempts. If you can't come up with a strategy to ensure your safety and that of your family, then retreat to live another day is a rational, not cowardly, option."

Roger that! Testosterone overdose will get you killed!

~Rant On~
What state/country is this occuring at? This is the first question that pops into my mind when I read something like this. Why do some of you guys not post your location?
~Rant Off~

 

[crankshop1000]

You might want to consider keeping some additional firepower at hand. Pistol vs shotty isn't a good match. Shotty vs AK is better.

 

[Treo]

this is real.

Ummm, we're not the ones that need to get that fact.

As to those that think running is a bad idea, depending on exactly what he's up against he may not have a choice. if this is a gang thing they're not likely to stop coming after him and there are waaaay more of them than there are of him, and if he keeps calling the cop the BGs will just keep retaliating.

Make it so painful for them to bother and/or hurt you that they don't want to

IMO this strategy is far more likely to make the BGs decide that the logical way to stop the "pain" is to kill you than it is to make them decide to leave you alone.

Even if this story is pure B.S. the principles of SD hold.

Anyone of us could find themselves in a similar situation by sucessfully defending ourselves against a gang member
please note I said similar,not identical

There was an incident here in the Springs a year or so back in which a home owner defended his home against 2 home invaders. the day the living home invader got out of the hospital he bonded out went right back to the house and did a drive by. Home owner called the cops BG went straight back to jail.

Couple of days later Home owner vanished, nobody knows what happened to him.

 

[tasco 74]

YEP.. IT ALL SMELLS BAD.. get a new girl friend (the world is full of em) and tell the police what you got going on........................

 

[snipe300]

Read Jeff Cooper's "Principles of Personal Defense" It's short, but if you follow it, it'll keep you alive.

 

[csmkersh]

1. Get among people who can be witnesses. That ligquor store would have been a good place.
2. Call the police and file a complaint.
3. Carry a camera as well as a cell phone. Switch to a blue tooth or similar so you can call hands free.
4. You're not fully dressed unless you are carrying - even at home.
5. BTDT

 

[RobNDenver]

I am sorry for your trouble. You have asked for advice, so here it comes:

You need to start reporting any offenses committed against you, and threats to your well being.
You need to stop hanging around with inmates, ex-inmates, their girlfriends, and hangers-on.
You need to move, and not provide an address or cell phone number or other means of contact to any of the criminals or their associates.
You need to chalk this experience up to a stunning lack of maturity and judgement and get beyond it, or you will find yourself charged with assault or murder. You don't mention if you have a CCW. Reading between the lines in your post, it seems that carrying a gun to protect yourself is a huge risk, because you don't seem to have the will to stay away from the proximate cause of your dilemma or the maturity and courage to defend yourself sensibly.

My two cents,

Good luck to you.

 

[Treo]

Don't sugar coat it Rob, tell like it is

 

[SCKimberFan]

Forget you ever met the girl.

2nd best post I've seen yet.

I am sorry for your trouble. You have asked for advice, so here it comes:

You need to start reporting any offenses committed against you, and threats to your well being.
You need to stop hanging around with inmates, ex-inmates, their girlfriends, and hangers-on.
You need to move, and not provide an address or cell phone number or other means of contact to any of the criminals or their associates.
You need to chalk this experience up to a stunning lack of maturity and judgement and get beyond it, or you will find yourself charged with assault or murder. You don't mention if you have a CCW. Reading between the lines in your post, it seems that carrying a gun to protect yourself is a huge risk, because you don't seem to have the will to stay away from the proximate cause of your dilemma or the maturity and courage to defend yourself sensibly.

My two cents,

Good luck to you.

This is the best post so far.

 

[mgkdrgn]

They asked if I wanted to press charges I said no

Excuse my french, but that was a stupid f**king thing to do.

If you are not willing to press charges, why even involve the police at all? You are just wasting their time.

When a cop asks you "Would you like to press charges" ... he is -trying- to help you. If you refuse their help, don't be surprised if they aren't quite as quick to waste their time next time you call. :banghead:

"for being scared 2 file charges again."

Again! You mean you had a similar situation, called the cops, and wouldn't file charges then either?

I hereby revoke my "excuse my french" clause from above. You are just flat out f**king stupid. Sorry.

 

[almostkilled]

Again! You mean you had a similar situation, called the cops, and wouldn't file charges then either?

I hereby revoke my "excuse my french" clause from above. You are just flat out f**king stupid. Sorry.

Why thank you. I filed charges on assualt this was a sort of retaliation read all of my post.

 

[Zoogster]

File more charges. If they are already willing to harm you, and reacted as you said when they saw your pistol and still continued to follow you then they were not just going to scare you.

So really there is nothing to lose by filing charges, unless of course you were planning to go vigilante, then it creates an official record tying you to them. The original assault charges and the fact you were involved with the girl already does that though.

So no the police will probably not resolve the issue, they have just your word against thiers. You could just as easily be lying to get him in more trouble, as you could be telling the truth as far as they are concerned.
Still it is one of the tools at your disposal. File true honest paperwork about the incident.

In the end you are responsible for you.
The story may sound suspicious to some, and it could be. However I know of just such incidents happening. The perspective of the victim that does not know the mindset and makes assumptions of why they are doing X will often not make as much sense.
He thinks it is over the girl, it could be over the snitching or some other percieved insult combined he is not even aware of.

So giving you the benefit of the doubt and assuming your version happened and is true, the best option is the one you choose. It is your life.
If you want to run that is your choice. Sometimes that is a good option, sometimes it is asking too much.
If you stay you have to legaly wait for them to attack to defend, you cannot proactively defend yourself by going on the offensive, so watching some Steven Seagul flicks is probably not best idea.

The law is not a blanket of protection. It just keeps order in society generaly, not individualy.
In the end you are still responsible for you.
The girlfriend is probably not the type of person you want to be involved in if they are into such people, but not necessarily. There is the occasional decent woman involved with scumbags. So you have to make that decision.
But if she thinks it is cool when a man is 'tough' and does violent things on her behalf or there is other similar clues she is into that type of tough guy thing drop her fast. If she likes to get revenge on people that were once friends and no longer are it is another clue.
Such a person will get even the best men into trouble eventualy, maybe even with you on the wrong side of the law, or with her new boyfriend when your relationship is done.
A good woman tries to keep you out of trouble, and lets others they had a problem with in the past go thier seperate ways (not make trouble for them). Remember you could one day be the ex.


Good luck.

 

[abrink]

Well is seems as though everyone here has given good advice and I don't really have much to add besides the fact that a Remington 870 loaded with 00 buck with an improved cylinder choke and extended mag tube is real helpful when/if someone comes smashing through your door.

Good luck!