For all the Ruger bashers out there.

[ljnowell]

Hello all, RON L here - SERE SURPLUS


My true hate for Ruger has come over long years of Ownership and not due to Cusomer service as they have really gone to bat better than Colrt and S & w on that count! It's not the makes or models, I see a vast Improvent in the Blocky handguns they used to make and sell! Thats improved greatly! OK< what is ya might ask??

It's simple the Company's over all attitude about Gun Owners! Ovet the years they have gotten better about selling Civilians hi cap mags for Mini 14 and other firearms, but was a time when they sold only to leo or military! I actually heard Bill Ruger say to a Crowd of Military members he was trying to get to Buy the Mini-14 (AC-556) that if he had his way he would 'Newver sel firearms to anyone but Leo and Military" at that Point, I was 5 years away from retirement, so I simply got up in the middle of the Presentation and walked out! Not sure and have not tried it in awhile, so I will not say it's absolutly still true, but try and buy some spare components for internals like trigger, sear and other critical parts? Even as a Licened Gunsmith I was told no, Return the firearm and they would fix it? A Customers spare parts needs, not important to Ruger as they refuse to offer for sale or at least used to refuse ya any parts as noted o the instruction manual diagrams! That said, Hi Cap mini-14 mags in 20 and 30 rnd size now seem to be avalable for sale from the company! If a company's Coe and owner says I'm not trust worthy of Gun ownership, I will buy a Glock, or Sig or whom ever will? my $ my option? I realy see it as shame as I do like many Ruger products but refuse to do business with folks that act that way! Those of you that love and Support Ruger, Test out my Theorys and see if they are still valid, I'm on Year 20 of not Buying New Ruger EVER!!!!!!

RON

Ron, no offense, but all of that is pretty well pointless and outdated beef. Bill Ruger is no longer with us, and the fact is, Ruger is actively producing the types of firearms that Bill would complain about. None of that has anything to do with the quality of Ruger firearms.

As far as opinions on firearms, and not dead old men, I have a mixed bag of love for Ruger. I have shot a mini-14 that patterned like a shotgun. That soured me on those, quick. I currently own two Rugers, A 45 colt Blackhawk and a convertible Single Six in 22lr/22mag. I ordered both through a local gunshop and had to send the Single Six back the first time. It came in badly out of time and covered in rust. They sent a new one, and boy, its accurate and pretty to look at. My Blackhawk is a great gun, its accurate and loves to eat the Thermo-nuclear handloads that I feed it.

I dont really care much for the Ruger semi-auto centerfires, but I do like the 22lr semis ruger makes. All in all, I think they are a great and succesful company, with a past like many others. For someone to completely block themselves from owning a good firearm because of the grumbling ramblings of an old man, who is dead, is beyond me.

 

[Salty1]

I agrree with many of the posters, I see very little Ruger bashing on any forums. I loved my Mark II, wish I still had it. Replaced a S&W J Frame with an LCR, it is a much better shooter. Ruger's tend to be on the low end price wise but the quality is still there, not like the Taurus and Sigma products. We have never had a Ruger that had to be sent back for repairs or received any negative customer feedback.

 

[Kentucky_Rifleman]

Wow! There's a lot of hostility floating around this topic. I'll try not to add to it, but simply say that I like Ruger guns.

I have a M77 in 7x57 that I like quite a bit. It's rugged, reliable, and pretty accurate (2 inch groups at 100 yards and I'm still trying different loads).

I have A 10/22 and like it (although I like my TC Classic better).

Automatic handguns? EVERYBODY's making autos these days. I like the Rugers. They're insanely reliable. The trade off? They aren't as accurate at distances past 25 yards as many of their competitors. They ain't the prettiest autos out there. They ain't the most streamline autos out there. They just keep on tickin' under circumstances that would foul out most competing pistols. I'm looking for a Ruger metal-frame in 40S&W.

I have a Security Six Stainless 6" and a Blued 6" GP100 - Scoped, both in .357. I like them both, and I own several S&Ws.

Ruger makes mid-quality guns at mid-level prices. Their products are designed to have widespread mainstream appeal, and the company has become very successful by pursuing that market.

They might have been mid-quality when S&W and Colt were in top form, but Colt no longer makes DA revolvers, and S&W's quality, IMHO, has slipped over the past 20 years.

The Ruger DAs can be had for 60 - 70% of a comparable S&W. I can back that up with Gun Broker prices if I need to. (I bought the GP100 NIB for 350.00 - http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=181383524).

I think the current production Ruger DAs are every bit as solid as the current production S&Ws. Smith may have a slight edge in fit and finish, but it's a narrow margin at best, unless you're willing to pony up for a custom-shop gun.

Who is making better quality DA revolvers here in the U.S.?

KR

 

[stchman]

To Joe Demko:

One of these days we can all be as enlightened like you are.

 

[Joe Demko]

If the rest of you try hard enough, maybe.

 

[bushmaster1313]

I had quality trouble with my Mini-30 and I no longer own it because of the trouble.

My No. 1 in .270 was a delightful gun that everyone liked, including me. I sold it to buy another nice gun.

 

[DustyVermonter]

I went to the store to buy a Kel-Tec P-3AT because I wanted a small backpocket rig, when I got there my mom who happenned to be with me at the time pointed at the Ruger LCP and said "get that one, its less homely looking" so I thought about it for about 2 seconds and went home with the LCP.

As others said, the LCP and the P-3AT are essentially the same gun, but if not for nothin, my mom was right, the LCP is a little less homely looking, so I got that one, although I would have been just as happy going home with the Kel-Tec had they not had the LCP there and my mom wasn't with me.

I do like Rugers a lot, but they're not my absolute favorites, made in the good ol' US of A and as reliable as they are rugged.
Its one thing to be enthusiastic about your choice of weaponry, but there's no need to get your breifs bunched up about it and dump on the other makes and mods.

 

[DustyVermonter]

Bushmaster1313, I too used to own the Ruger Mini-30 and I had to get rid of it because it was a piece of junk.
My classification of "piece of junk" comes from a belief of mine that: Any gun that fails to fire/eject/feed 25% of the time, is unacceptable and is not worth the space it would take up in my safe, which is getting very limited so for the next few guns I buy I am going to be especially discriminatory.

I loved the way the Mini-30 looked and felt, I also loved the idea of having a nice little ranch rifle to bang around the property with, it just didn't cut the mustard. The whole endeavor was pretty disappointing actually, I wish the Mini-30 was made consistent with the qualities I attribute to the other makes and mods of Rugers I own.

 

[DustyVermonter]

Anybody ever read: Goodbye and good riddance RE:Bill Ruger? Apparently Billie boy had quite the agenda, its pretty interesting stuff in any case.

Quote: "No honest man needs a magazine that exceeds 10rds, I never intended for the simple american to get my 20 or 30rd magazines, or my folding stock". Good riddance.


It seems like Ruger has made an honest effort to redeem themselves after Bill's passing in making hi-cap mags readily available and coming out with the Tactical Mini's, I got no beef w/ Ruger.

BTW, ol Billy boy must be doin 1080's in his grave with all the new going's on's in his old stomping grounds.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

2010 handgun of the year is the Ruger SR9c.

I maintain that Ruger builds a darn good pistol or rifle for a fair price.

you certainly put a lot of faith in "Shooting Industry Magazine"


i noticed this publication chose a Taurus as "handgun of the year" as well....


truth is, this publication's choices are about as valid as a "17" magazine "prettiest teenie boppers" list....

 

[stchman]

To Full Metal Jacket:

What exactly is the right publication to put faith in? One that agrees with your choices?

I know that many publications are biased as per their sponsors, but since a great deal of magazines use this business model what are we to do.

It is still better than "my brother's cousin's second nephew said <insert brand of firearm> is the best".

I personally am not a fan of Taurus, but the Taurus they chose was a revolver and not a semi. I own a Raging Bull 44 Mag and it functions flawlessly.

 

[HGUNHNTR]

^ The obvious answer is use one that doesn't require "sponsors". Gun Tests publication is great. No advertisements are allowed, it is pretty well done.

The best option is to buy a quality product form a manufacturer that has a solid reputation. Odds are you won't receive a lemon, but if you do, undoubtedly it will be posted all over the internet about how crappy xyz's products are.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

What exactly is the right publication to put faith in? One that agrees with your choices?

i stopped purchasing gun mags when i was a kid. it's obvious they're biased towards their advertisers. you really can't blame them, as subscriptions don't make them much money, advertising brings in most profit. ....also happens to mean i won't be buying them anymore. they're great for killing time when you're waiting on a prescription at rite aid, though

 

[22-rimfire]

Ruger is a good company. So is Smith & Wesson and many others. I'm not much of a fan of Ruger rifles.

 

[Justin]

What exactly is the right publication to put faith in? One that agrees with your choices?

Look, any of the guns made by any of the well-known manufacturers are going to suffice for the vast majority of gun owners.

Like it or not, most people, despite their protestations to the contrary, don't pick their guns for reasons of functionality. They pick them as a lifestyle statement, with maybe some guidance from a magazine review who's author fires all of fifty rounds through the gun at a distance of ten yards.

 

[gym]

Ruger makes a nice AR,and 22 pistol/rifle, other than that, it's really just copys of other designs for less money. Maybe the new revolver, but again if you want a nice lightweight revolver, there are plenty of Smiths, and even Taurus revolvers to choose from, the last thing we needed was another 38, or 380. Either make something truely revolutionary or stop wasting the time on R&D, on things that have been done to death.

 

[Kentucky_Rifleman]

there are plenty of Smiths, and even Taurus revolvers to choose from

That's true, but the Rugers are much closer to the Smiths than the Tauruses in quality.

KR

 

[JWF III]

"As a designer, not even close."

I believe you neglected his role as the designer of the manufacturing methods used to cast quality parts and make guns much, much more affordable.

True, I didn't consider manufacturing. I was referring to "GUN" designer. But as a manufacturer making a product more affordable... Henry Ford set the bar pretty dang high.

Wyman

 

[Guns and more]

It's very simple. If you don't like Ruger, don't buy one. End of story.

 

[ohwell]

Wouldnt part with any of the 4 Ruger handguns I own, That being said I wouldnt part with my Marlin model 60's or my Winchesters or Brownings or Springfield either. Most gun companies have a hardcore following for one gun or another they produce. I applaud Ruger for the SR9C getting the handgun of the year award, I have one and it deserves the award. That being said dont buy one if you dont like them and as far as not needing another 380 or 38 or whatever, I guess economics will decide what gun makers produce they sure wouldnt make a bunch of something they couldnt sell.

 

[Full Metal Jacket]

i've owned two rugers, one auto and one revolver.....and they both jammed!

no more rugers for me.



(before anyone asks, the cylinder would bind up after about three shots, and i had to remove it out of the gun to get the remaining rounds out. it was a bisley vaquero 45LC)

 

[ljnowell]

i've owned two rugers, one auto and one revolver.....and they both jammed!

no more rugers for me.



(before anyone asks, the cylinder would bind up after about three shots, and i had to remove it out of the gun to get the remaining rounds out. it was a bisley vaquero 45LC)

It happens. I ordered two Rugers at once, a Single Six and Blackhawk in 45colt. The singel six came in first and it was mess, horrible out of time and covered in rust. The blackhawk came in perfect. The replaceement single six came in, just as good. After owning them awhile, I wouldnt sell either one.

 

[gym]

Taurus makes a couple of nice revolvers, I prefer a Smith also, but I was trying to show the low to high end guns already available. Why another revolver, I have a taurus that they made for 1 year that is titanium and scandium, and weighs 11.5 ozs, is +p rated. So why after a dozen years did we need another lightweight revolver. It's a "nothing new" design, like the LCP. It seems that they just feel that if they keep coming out with copys of exhisting guns, people will be happy and buy them.
Look at their 22 "which I like", they put out 20 different models of a 40 year old gun. Instead of coming up with one that was inovative, and didn't take all day to field strip and clean, they just put some new stocks on their ranch rifle, 22, and 22 rifle, and raised the prices, the magnum 10/22 is off the website last week when I looked. Other than copy the keltec, what have they done, the sr9 is just a cheap copy of the glock. I don't care how many awards they paid for. The ruger gas block AR-15, is a nice but pricy rifle, what else you got.

 

[RONSERESURPLUS]

Hello all

RON L here, I don't care if he died in 2002, 2012 or last week, the Policies that he was adamit about were still in force when I last checked so Screw Ruger, as someojne else said don't like it, don't buy it? Well I won't! They are Idiot repair Policies and they step on your right and ability to get critical parts ya need, if all that is what you want from a Gun manuf, Go for it? me for one, would buy most anything else! When they change thoer Policies I might change my mind! Till then, forget them!

RON

 

[ohwell]

the sr9 is just a cheap copy of the glock.

Have you ever even picked up both a Glock and an SR9C ?