For M&P lovers!
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Mike1234567
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I have other S&W double-stack mags and, when new, they were just a little stiff on that last round. However, these definitely bottom-out with the 14th round. It's well beyond just spring tension. I can live with it but, if S&W offers a fix, I'll take it.
Anyway... back to original topic.
Keep it going, any more M&P lovers out the THR? Was at the range yesterday and ran 50 umc rounds through her. Not much ammo I know, I go every week to stay on point, so 50 is about all I could affort this week. Typically i'll bring 100 WWB, not this week though. She shot flawlessly, as always. Gotta love the 45 ACP!
This pistol.
My M&P .45 FS
Trigger is always going to have a slight grit component to it in trigger take up as the trigger transfer bar engages the striker safety plunger. It's the nature of the beast in these pistol's. It can be cleaned up by easing the plunger profile a tad and polishing the contact areas in the slide the plunger it's self and the area in which the plunger interacts with the striker.
A M&P is easy to do a trigger job on with a few good stones and understanding how it all works and interrelates.
http://www.burwellguns.com/misc/M&Ptriggerjob.pdf
In that link you will find everything within reason that can be done to a M&P trigger. There are a few other things one can do. But I won't post them.
Here are some specs concerning my trigger.
With articulating trigger loaded in unlocked position total trigger travel .397" off the trigger stop.
Point at which trigger transfer bar is at the nose of the sear ready for action .167" off the trigger stop.
Point at which trigger breaks, when the sear releases the striker .020" off the trigger stop.
Point at which there is trigger reset .205" off the trigger stop.
I would suspect and feel that these measurements can go +/- .020" either way. And yes the polymer structure and components do add there own little bit of spongy feeling to it. But that's the way it goes in the plastic pistol world.
My trigger breaks at a very good 4 lbs. And basically breaks right into the trigger stop. Over travel is all but gone.
The mim sear takes to the stones like a duck to water. One can also deck out the top of the sear and still keep a positive engagement and also work the rear of the sear keeping a positive profile helping the over all action of the trigger.
The great thing about a M&P trigger is with no over all expense. You can make it a fantastic duty/service weapon trigger. Or a great SD/HD/Range trigger. OR you can make it a bump fire monster and dump a mag as fast as you can blink a eye. It's all up to you and your skills and what you want.
The easy way out for many is Apex. <edit> But once you look at the Apex parts and your OEM Smith parts I bet face plant to the desk top of your desk will flash before the inner depths of your mind. And then on top of the Apex parts one can tune a tad more.
The M&P trigger is a over all great design as is the rest of the pistol.
My M&P .45 FS
Trigger is always going to have a slight grit component to it in trigger take up as the trigger transfer bar engages the striker safety plunger. It's the nature of the beast in these pistol's. It can be cleaned up by easing the plunger profile a tad and polishing the contact areas in the slide the plunger it's self and the area in which the plunger interacts with the striker.
A M&P is easy to do a trigger job on with a few good stones and understanding how it all works and interrelates.
http://www.burwellguns.com/misc/M&Ptriggerjob.pdf
In that link you will find everything within reason that can be done to a M&P trigger. There are a few other things one can do. But I won't post them.
Here are some specs concerning my trigger.
With articulating trigger loaded in unlocked position total trigger travel .397" off the trigger stop.
Point at which trigger transfer bar is at the nose of the sear ready for action .167" off the trigger stop.
Point at which trigger breaks, when the sear releases the striker .020" off the trigger stop.
Point at which there is trigger reset .205" off the trigger stop.
I would suspect and feel that these measurements can go +/- .020" either way. And yes the polymer structure and components do add there own little bit of spongy feeling to it. But that's the way it goes in the plastic pistol world.
My trigger breaks at a very good 4 lbs. And basically breaks right into the trigger stop. Over travel is all but gone.
The mim sear takes to the stones like a duck to water. One can also deck out the top of the sear and still keep a positive engagement and also work the rear of the sear keeping a positive profile helping the over all action of the trigger.
The great thing about a M&P trigger is with no over all expense. You can make it a fantastic duty/service weapon trigger. Or a great SD/HD/Range trigger. OR you can make it a bump fire monster and dump a mag as fast as you can blink a eye. It's all up to you and your skills and what you want.
The easy way out for many is Apex. <edit> But once you look at the Apex parts and your OEM Smith parts I bet face plant to the desk top of your desk will flash before the inner depths of your mind.
And then on top of the Apex parts one can tune a tad more. The M&P trigger is a over all great design as is the rest of the pistol.
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ET
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Just bought a M&P 40 Pro Series last month. It has the extended slide & a factory tuned trigger that came in at 4 lbs. & really smooth. I bought a 357sig barrel for it along with a 9mm conversion barrel & 9mm mags. It has been 100% reliable with all of the different barrels in it. I've been a Glock guy but this M&P has me rethinking that designation.
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My Storm Lake conversion barrel (described as "semi drop-in" by Midway) dropped right in and works perfectly. I've only used Winchester RA357SIGT (Ranger Talons).
Though expensive at $29/50, the Ranger T series were in the same price ballpark as Winchester white-box FMJ from my local Walmart ($28/50), so I use them for practice as well.
Obviously, I won't be practicing with the .357Sig barrel installed often.
I discovered yesterday that my S&W40c really likes Winchester's inexpensive XM40HC (white box 180gr HST) and at $17.99 a box of 50, I don't feel too bad about using them on paper either.
I understand BVAC loads HST at around $15/50, using mixed (used) brass and considering their reputation for decent ammunition, I might give them a try since that's about as cheap as the most inexpensive FMJ, but with 180gr HST instead.
Though expensive at $29/50, the Ranger T series were in the same price ballpark as Winchester white-box FMJ from my local Walmart ($28/50), so I use them for practice as well.
Obviously, I won't be practicing with the .357Sig barrel installed often.
I discovered yesterday that my S&W40c really likes Winchester's inexpensive XM40HC (white box 180gr HST) and at $17.99 a box of 50, I don't feel too bad about using them on paper either.
I understand BVAC loads HST at around $15/50, using mixed (used) brass and considering their reputation for decent ammunition, I might give them a try since that's about as cheap as the most inexpensive FMJ, but with 180gr HST instead.
Mike1234567
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Not to go too far off topic but I'm intrigued with the idea of a good multi-caliber pistol.
I know one needs 9mm mags for conversion but what about 357sig mags? Have you tried the 357sig barrel yet?
viper7342
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Mike1234567,
40 S&W and 357 Sig uses the same magazine, it is only when using the 9mm conversion barrel that different magazines are needed.
Dnaltrop
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The M&P .40 mags have .357 stamped on them as well.
Only need new mags if you want to convert all the way down to 9mm.
Only need new mags if you want to convert all the way down to 9mm.
Remember that the 357 SIG is simply the .40 S&W necked down to accept a .355 bullet and loaded to replicate the old 125gr JHP .357 Magnum loading
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Yes, the conversion barrel is all that's needed. The magazine, recoil spring and everything else remains the same.
I've used the .357Sig barrel a couple times now, perhaps 80 rounds total (not much, but enough). The performance was flawless. I might consider carrying with the .357Sig barrel installed in the winter months, but besides that, it's going to reside in the pistol case the majority of the time.
I've used the .357Sig barrel a couple times now, perhaps 80 rounds total (not much, but enough). The performance was flawless. I might consider carrying with the .357Sig barrel installed in the winter months, but besides that, it's going to reside in the pistol case the majority of the time.
Mike1234567
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That settles it. I'm buying a M&P .40 S&W next. Funny... I wasn't interested in owning one until I learned of the barrel swaps.
Don't know that it makes much/any difference, but you might consider getting the 357 SIG and 40 barrel (instead of vice versa)?
I've been following the 357 SIG with interest for quite a while now. My first SIG was in 357 SIG ('cuz I didn't have a 357 SIG, and for historical purposes), and I picked up a used M&P Police Special in the same caliber.
357 SIG ammo prices seem to swing wildly, but I've been able to find both SD and practice ammo as cheap or cheaper than 40 S&W, usually at a number of online/local police supply shops I visit.
You might find the ProArms Podcast on the 357 SIG an interesting time killer?
You can stream or download the MP3 and listen at your leisure.
055 "We're Getting the Band Back Together" to discuss the .357SIG cartridge
We had a podcast powerful enough turn goat p*** into gasoline!
It’s been a long time since we had the whole Band together, this time we have everyone but Mike (he was up “nort”) to discuss our experiences with the .357SIG cartridge. The topic was by listener request. Learn how many state police departments have adopted it, why it can be an ideal personal protection round in rural areas, and why some of our podcast team members carry that caliber daily.
Mike1234567
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BASICBLUR... Sorry if I'm dense but please explain why you're suggesting a .357 Sig as the basic purchase. You probably stated it but I'm getting old and feeble-minded.
ETA: Oh... maybe it's because it'll save me the cost of one conversion barrel if I don't want to buy the .40?
ETA: Oh... maybe it's because it'll save me the cost of one conversion barrel if I don't want to buy the .40?
Wasn't suggesting it-was just suggesting it might be something you'd want to consider?
As stated, don't know that there's any difference between buying a 40 with a 357 SIG barrel or a 357 SIG with a 40 barrel?
Heck-you might stumble across a deal like I did (357 SIG), but if you're thinking 40 only...
You stated you weren't considering a 40 until you learned of the barrel swap-I assume you're talking swapping 40/357 SIG barrels, but I haven't followed the thread that closely. If you're talking 'bout 9mm also, then I think it's going to require new magazines, which will up the price significantly?
I've never been into parts swapping, modular guns, etc as I've found it's usually 'bout as cheap to just buy another gun, although in this case (S&W) I'm sure it would be financially pragmatic.
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one of my M&P's... the .357sig
Tomac
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Three M&P9c's for our nightstand guns & my CCW. All w/nightsights & APEX sears/striker blocks:
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Yea, I have also thought about purchasing the 40c as well and then swapping barrels, but haven't exactly made my mind up. This Tuesday I'm shooting a 9c, owned by one of the gun shop employees. So this will be when I make my final decision between the glock 26 or the 9c. I hope it will be the 9c....
I recently purchased a Glock 19 gen3, and it makes me love my M&P even more. I have had 4 stovepipes out of 475 rounds. I have ordered the Lone Wolf extractor that is supposed to cure this issue. But I shouldn't have to do anything to it. It's suppose to be "perfect", right? I think m&p should make perfection their new slogan. Not really, just ranting. I have called Glock multiple times and have ordered another OEM extractor (sent to armorer) to see if it is in spec.(lately lots have been out of spec) CS said I should send it to them. On my dime? I shouldn't have to do that either. Either way, I want to make this g19 gen 3 my EDC eventually. So I guess by the time I'm done it will be "perfect". I know I'm ranting, I'm just frustrated that Glock won't just "make it right". I will post how it shoots when I get the new OEM extractor. And how it shoots when I get my new Lone Wolf extractor. Hopefully the issue will be resolved. Haha, thanks for letting me vent.
I still love my M&P!!!
I still love my M&P!!!
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M&P 9c
It is what I use when I am eating pizza, drinking, and spending foreign money.
It is what I use when I am eating pizza, drinking, and spending foreign money.
I started out with a Sigma SW40VE...it was a great starter gun but I realized quickly I needed to upgrade...I couldn't decide on Glock or the M&P...I found a range about an hour from my house that rented both...I put several hundred rounds through both guns over a course of a few weeks and finally settled on the M&Pc 9mm...I absolutely love that gun...I believe M&P will be getting my business for a full size sooon...I also shot the SD 9mm and compared it to the G19 and ill be honest, S&W won again...Great guns!
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