For those of you lusting after a beretta storm a ?

[Kurt]

I agree with those who think this gun is all but worthless for any endeavor other than plinking. When I see folks consider this as a “car gun†or some other serious possibility, I always hope that they are leading a very charmed life.

Those that never gave a homely looking piece like the Camp Carbine a second look are now all a-twitter over the Beretta. Why?.... because it looks cool, and oh yes .... it takes those model 92 magazines!!! Neither of those reasons will matter a wit if this weapon is ever called upon for serious use.

It’s handicapped to handgun level power, but has few of the handgun’s benefits. It’s as bulky as many long arms, but will always be just an expensive and pretty wannabe within that class of arms.

I like plinking a lot, and can accept the fun-gun and "plinking" mentality completely. And if I were ever given obscene amounts of 9X19, I suppose that I could be tempted to look in the Beretta’s general direction for awhile. But that’s NOT how Beretta categorizes and pushes this poor abstraction..... and I see that some of us are listening to them.

 

[starfuryzeta]

I'm not as educated as most folks on these boards, so I'm confused about one thing.

Taking Beretta and their marketing out of the equation, if a 9mm is useless for serious endeavors except plinking, then why do people, or maybe why should people, purchase 9mm at all?

 

[Kurt]

The 9X19 is a legitimate handgun round in the upper medium end of the spectrum. Some marvelously small and concealable handguns are so chambered these days, and I believe that's where it absolutely shines. I wouldn't choose it anymore in a larger-framed handgun that's meant for serious use.

It's not a rifle cartridge..... by any stretch, and there are far better plinking choices out there.

 

[355sigfan]

You can't really keep an AR unloaded with ammunition at hand without running afoul of state law. You can with a storm, since it uses the same magazines as your CCW gun, if you CCW a beretta.
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Really depends on the state. In our state you could have both fully loaded in your gun rack. I am sure in most states you can have loaded mags outside of the gun.
Pat

 

[355sigfan]

The 9mm is an acceptable handgun round. But all handgun rounds even the 45 acp and 357 mag pal in comparision to rifle rounds like the 223.
Pat

 

[keederdag]

The .223 pales in comparison to the .700 nitro express.

 

[355sigfan]

The .223 pales in comparison to the .700 nitro express.
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For killing big game not people. The 223 is exponentially a supperior stopper when compared to service pistol rounds. The 700 will not kill stop a person much better than a 223. Because most of its power is wasted behind the target on a person. The 223 does not exit people and has a large enough of a stretch cavity to rip tissue far from where the bullet touches. The pistols are like ice picks. They only damage what they touch.
Pat

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

In california and most of the lower 48, you WILL get in trouble if you have a loaded longarm in the car.

as such, having a weapon that you can keep unloaded and also legitimately have the ammunition at hand makes a lot of sense.

The storm doubles the range over a pistol, and is also much easier to shoot than a pistol. the range increase is not all that big of a factor, but the increased accuracy is.

 

[Ohen Cepel]

First, I want to say that I'll let the "dark side boys" here know that they idiots for carrying MP5's!!!! What can they be thinking?!?!? They should all have Barrett's slung over their backs!!!


I want one for several reasons:

It seems to be a quality weapon by a quality maker.

Comes with the rail to improve it's usefullness at night.

I have mags for it.

Indoor range use.

And then, just because.

 

[355sigfan]

In california and most of the lower 48, you WILL get in trouble if you have a loaded longarm in the car.
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In california I believe it but not for most states. I have lived all over the pacific Northwest and it was not a problem from what little research I did at the time. Also you can easily have loaded ar15 mags out of the gun just as you have beretta mags loaded on your person. Upgrading to the storm over your sidearm is not that much of an upgrade. If increases your hit potential and it gives you another 100 fps or so. Thats it. Better than nothing, but five me a rifle or a shotgun.
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First, I want to say that I'll let the "dark side boys" here know that they idiots for carrying MP5's!!!!
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Actually most SWAT teams and special operation groups are moving away from subguns like the MP5. It a nice subgun but in the end its still a large handgun that fires very fast.
Pat

 

[Andrew Wyatt]

If increases your hit potential if your a poor pistol shot

It increases your hit potential even if you're a good pistol shot.

An ar-15 magazine is really hard to keep on your person, and it's another thing to keep track of.

 

[355sigfan]

An ar-15 magazine is really hard to keep on your person, and it's another thing to keep track of.
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Throw it in the glove box or have it on a butstock mag pouch. In both cases the weapon is not considered loaded. And your right it does increase your hit potential even if your a good pistol shot. I edited my post. But the better you are with a handgun the less of an improvement a pistol caliber carbine will give you.

But its your money spend it as you see fit. If I lived in your state and could not move. I would buy a M1A or a mini 14 or simply stick with a customized Remington 870.
Pat

 

[Warner]

I notice some people posting serious use scenarios about this gun.

Even though it looks somewhat like a rifle, no amount of convenience, interchangeability, legality, coolness, discussion, wishing or hoping will ever give the Beretta anything near the ballistic qualities of a like-sized carbine chambered in a true rifle round.

A 9x19 Beretta Storm owner has a weapon with the bulk of a carbine, combined with the basic “effectiveness†of a pistol that's firing the same round…period…end of story. The Storm’s velocity may be somewhat higher, but that won’t make anywhere near the difference that some appear to believe.

If circumstances warrant, and you’re going to arm yourself with a longarm, it’s certainly best that your choices will provide the levels of performance that you’re probably counting upon.

 

[Harry Tuttle]

i wonder if the have plans to make it fire 17 hrm

 

[Onslaught]

What amuses me most about this little carbine is how many people are lining up to insult, belittle, or second guess anyone who wants to buy one! That's not how we play around here...

This thing's only 29.75" long and weighs 6lbs, so it's not "all the size and bulk of a carbine" as no non-NFA rifle is that short, except the PRE-BAN ar-15 with the telescoping stock fully "in" which ain't comfortable to shoot, and for those talking about a "truck gun", I sure as heck ain't gonna leave my pre-ban Bushmaster in my VEHICLE!

And another thing that kills me... There are a few in this discussion who seem to think that ALL firearms are for defense and can have NO other use. Sure, some guys have mentioned this for defense, and if that's what they want to use it for, it's still better than a 9mm pistol, period, end of story! Not one person here is trying to say it's as good as an AR for "defense".


SO WHAT if some plinkers are cheaper... Do we all buy the CHEAPEST whatever we can find? Nope... some of those fortunate enough to be able to afford it can buy WHATEVER the HECK they want to, and if that's what they wanna do, then BY GOSH THEY OUGHTA do it, and shame on any of you who would get up on your soapbox and preach against it....

Attached below is a pic that an online buddy sent me of his Storm next to his Walther P99... You can see how much smaller this thing is than any rifle.

Now go on over to www.falfiles.com and tell everyone there how you think your AR15 is adequate for self defense and let them all tell you what a moron you are for counting on the diminutive 5.56 when the 7.62 can shoot through telephone poles to hit the bad guy.

 

[Kurt]

Onslaught, It’s unfortunate that you perceive others stated opinions as some sort of hostility or disrespect when they don’t parallel your own. Concerning the bulk of your post, you’ve simply set up your own straw man, and then proceeded to wail on him.

The issue isn’t the costs involved with any given plinker, what others want to own, or even that every weapon has to be effective for defense to have a reason to exist. But by using their own words as proof, there are many here seriously considering this 9mm long arm for other use like a “car gunâ€. To me, that suggests a use other than plinking. The ups and downs of that is a valid side issue about this Beretta, and certainly just as important as splitting hairs about it’s length or weight.

While everyone is free to buy and use whatever they want, the fact remains that this particular long arm shoots only a medium powered pistol round, and the many issues surrounding that oddity is legitimate material for discussion.

 

[Onslaught]

If your posts don't contain anything other than stated opinions, then I wasn't including you in that particular portion of my reply. Everyone should get the chance to state their opinion, for or against, and I am not referring to those posts in any way.

There is no doubt however that those who state their desire to purchase this particular firearm have drawn more than their fair share of insults in this and previous posts. It makes little sense to me.

As for the altogether beaten topic of this weapon's shortcomings in the defensive role... If there were only pistols and rifles with no room for any compromise inbetween, I could agree. But you'll find as you spend more time here that the typical THR member has a great deal of knowledge with firearms, and won't be expecting a miracle weapon in the CX4... It is what it is... and it's not the pariah that it's been made out to be by SOME.

 

[Kurt]

No disrespect meant here at all, but the greater knowledge you speak of is also widely available outside the halls of THR, I assure you.

I offer that what you say are insults, are really just honest opinions that don’t parallel the “all is fine and rosy†glop that is so prevalent in some gun magazines, websites and forums.

The person who chooses to make this Beretta his or her own, may one day be forced to use it in a serious situation by default. If that day ever comes, it will be his “miracle†weapon, whether it can perform miraculously or not.

 

[Coot]

Will you guys lighten up a bit? It's just a gun, for God's sake.

Have fun with it.

 

[Onslaught]

It's not what you say... it's how you say it... But Coot's right, I'm not making it any better by protesting the condescending attitude I smell in "some" posts. I just think you oughta get to know the experience level of the good folks here before you go preaching down to them... THere were several assumptions made that suggest the speaker feels superior in his knowledge or experience to the ones he is addressing.

You know, the "9mm rifles are no better than a .22" seems to be mainly an American thing. The Germans have no problems arming themselves with the lowly 9mm carbines. Even the Polizai, not just the SupercalifragilisticOps teams.... The Israelis, who are frequently looked upon by the rest of the world for advice in the defense arena, arm their every day policemen with the M1 Carbine...

I'm sorry if I added to the negative mood, and I will post no more (today) on the subject

 

[Warner]

Coot.......

I can understand when someone doesn't want to personally participate in a spirited discussion. I cannot understand when someone wants to prevent others from doing so.

We do live in a "sound byte" world, where people often need everything distilled down to three or four lines – and want everything to be “nice†with on top of it all. But sometimes real clarification is needed, and such clarification takes longer, and is more difficult with a weapon like this Beretta.

Like with everything else in life, you’ll find those that know more than you, and those that know less than you about weaponry. If anyone doesn’t want facts, fine, but please aim any counter points at the issues at hand. IMO, It will make things far more interesting than just offering the "can't we all just get along" wish.

 

[QB]

OnSlaught -- what did you mean when you stated "Plus, if you're left handed, a blowback operated rifle is NOT a lot of fun, especially with the el cheap'O ammo you're gonna be shooting through it in the first place."???

I changed my Storm's controls over to the "left handed" configuration and was wondering why the Storm in the left handed config for a left handed shooter would be worse than in the "right handed" configuration for a right handed shooter. I'm new to rifles and was wondering if there's something I may have missed. I can put the gun back to the right handed configuration and shoot right handed no problem but would prefer to shoot left handed.

Thanks.

 

[keederdag]

Oh god; You tactical types just slay me. Ditto Coot. Lighten UP.
355SIgFan...I rolled after reading your "just the facts mam" coment.
You guy's really do crack me up.

 

[jame]

I'm buying one, and I don't care what the "experts" say. It fits me. I like it. High on the "cool" factor. If a gun fits me, I shoot it quite well. When I shoot well, I usually hit my target in a quick, efficient, and repetitive manner. That means that:

1. I will have fun shooting this rifle.
2. If I have fun shooting this rifle, I will be shooting it often.
3. If I shoot often, I will become proficient.
3. If I become proficient, the rifle will be useful for more serious measures, if need be.

I don't see a downside. I hope to buy mine tomorrow or Monday.

Oh,.....it looks fun. Did I mention what that will do for a persons skill sets?

 

[ShaiVong]

Yah; don't get too caught up in the "useless/usefull for defense" rut. Some guns may be better than others in the wounding catagory, but I don't go around wounding people all day either.

If some dude wants to get one for a truck gun, "defenseless" would never cross my mind! How is somebody with a 9mm firearm helpless? What, do you get mob buffalo attacks on your way to work every day?

If somebody started shooting at me with a 10/22 I wouldnt stand there and say "pffft! You have to upgrade to a 5.56 before I even THINK about you as a serious threat!". As a matter of fact, assuming I was carrying my Glock and my 10/22, and had to shoot at something 50 yards away, I would fire the 10/22 first!

As a wise man once said to me: "a few well placed shots with a .22 are worth any number of near misses with a .45"