For those who think felons should never have guns...
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modifiedbrowning
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Do parents need a Dr.'s note these days to keep their kids home from school? If so, that is quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a while. Or does this apply only in California?
Don't know about these fools, but I somehow manage to get through each day without committing felonies.
And also, yes, I agree that the problem here is that forging documents from an MD is equivalent to forging prescriptions, with respect to the charges involved. The parents here are total numbnuts because they could just as easily contact the school and say their children are sick. No doctor's note required.
I still maintain that felons should lose their rights to vote and own firearms unless and until they successfully petition for the restoration of their rights. The larger issue is that we have these stupid mandatory sentences. Judges should have greater discretion in sentencing, but a certain breed of yahoos who live among us got real loud and vocal about that, and they wanted to strip judges of their magesterial powers, making them little more than accountants rubber-stamping boxes on a form.
Anybody who ever meeped about "activist judges" should consider the fact that this kind of foolishness is the result of that advocacy. Don't cry about the results you got.
And also, yes, I agree that the problem here is that forging documents from an MD is equivalent to forging prescriptions, with respect to the charges involved. The parents here are total numbnuts because they could just as easily contact the school and say their children are sick. No doctor's note required.
I still maintain that felons should lose their rights to vote and own firearms unless and until they successfully petition for the restoration of their rights. The larger issue is that we have these stupid mandatory sentences. Judges should have greater discretion in sentencing, but a certain breed of yahoos who live among us got real loud and vocal about that, and they wanted to strip judges of their magesterial powers, making them little more than accountants rubber-stamping boxes on a form.
Anybody who ever meeped about "activist judges" should consider the fact that this kind of foolishness is the result of that advocacy. Don't cry about the results you got.
Yes. However I'd bet that there's a high probability that they could possibly be rehabilitated, and perhaps even become contributing members of society someday.
I agree with you, shockwave, mandatory sentencing is a big problem. That would, however, include the various automatic consequences for any kind of felony conviction, regardless of its nature or severity. Loss of RKBA is one -- with prison time as a punishment for violating it, even if the initial conviction was for something trivial -- but so is the loss of a license to cut hair, or do various other things for a living. Many occupations require licenses.
These mandatory sentences need to go, also.
Particularly with respect to crimes of stupidity, there should be wide judicial discretion.
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Enachos
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db tanker,
I completely agree with that unless these ppl are repeat offenders. But even so I can also disagree with myself with that because if a person has payed their dues then that should be all there is to it.
I completely agree with that unless these ppl are repeat offenders. But even so I can also disagree with myself with that because if a person has payed their dues then that should be all there is to it.
Zoidberg523
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Just said the attorney was from Tehema... wouldn't surprise me if the paper just asked some random, uninvolved D.A. who was all too happy to give his opinion
Straight Shooter
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It probably varies from state to state but around here if your child is out of school for 3 days or more a doctor's note is required. It was the same when I was in school as well.
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If they'd lie about a Doctors signature....maybe they'd lie on the paperwork for a firearm purchase. Maybe there's more they've lied about and not gotten caught on. Once you start down the path of dishonesty you can't go back and portray yourself as a victim of the system.
jcwit
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With this logic no one should own a firearm as I seriously doubt there is anyone who has not told a lie!
They sound like a couple of fundamentally dishonest and untrustworthy people, and I'm not going to waste any sympathy on them. They are liars, and they're probably raising their kids to be liars as well.
KingMedicine
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Faking a doctors note or any medical paperwork is kinda a big deal. They may had not had horrible intentions with it (being a drug seeker, etc), but its a rather bad choice to make. Its not on par with telling a lie about flossing every day.
jcwit
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Funny how we can make all these judgements from nothing more than a news article.
Amazing at the insight some folks have.
Amazing at the insight some folks have.
Onward Allusion
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Wow
A few of you people scare the crap outta me... IIRC from a dozen years of Catholic schooling - something about casting the first stone. I guess some of you are perfect or damn near, eh?
A few of you people scare the crap outta me... IIRC from a dozen years of Catholic schooling - something about casting the first stone. I guess some of you are perfect or damn near, eh?
I'm kind of curious. For those of you who think that forging 12 notes from a doctor over a 5 month period is okay and just sort of an excusable lapse, how do you decide what it's okay to lie about and what you really need to be truthful about?
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Also, why is the 2A the only right that is revoked forever?...
um because its not?
um because its not?
KingMedicine
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I think the issue that makes this seem so innocent is that its a doctors note. They are easy to get, normally not even done by a doctor and just printed off by a Nurse or an Scribe. But its a offical document of the hospital and represents the Doctor. It has his name, phone, and sometimes a printed signature.
Now lets say they had faked 12 perscriptions (which is still on hospital stationary and signed by a doctor), would it still be someone overreacting over the felony?
Now lets say they had faked 12 perscriptions (which is still on hospital stationary and signed by a doctor), would it still be someone overreacting over the felony?
BK
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I need to know who here said this was 'okay'.
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to get gigged like this these buffoons had to be serial screw ups. heck you can catch a felony for lying on some job apps. in my world forgery is a pretty serious thing. its good of y'all to be so open minded but i wonder if you would feel so free if these 2 heros forged your name. actions have consequences . rights are balanced by responsibilities, or at least they used to be.
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It can actually vary district to district. The only rationale I can think of is that the child really has been sick and the parents can't afford to take him to the doctor.
The best point here is that while most of us will agree that what the parents did was wrong, several folks believe that it wasn't wrong enough to justify the state's reaction.
I agree. I think pressing this to felony status seems an over-reaction given the available information. There is much we don't know, so judging this is difficult.
It would be a shame to forever lose the right to own a firearm for no other reason than you forged your kids' school notes.
KR
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o wait the system works
http://www.orland-press-register.com/news/case-5464-couple-truancy.html
By Rob Parsons/Tri-County Newspapers
This story was first posted as breaking news at about 3 p.m. Wednesday.
The case against an Orland couple accused of forging doctor’s notes to excuse their child from school was thrown out of Glenn County Superior Court today.
Judge Peter B. Twede dismissed all charges against William and Shannon Anderson, two months after the couple were arrested on warrants charging each with a single felony count of forgery.
“I’m very happy, it’s been a long road,” William Anderson said. “It shows that even though the (prosecution) side of the law failed, the (court) side prevailed.”
Twede granted defense attorney Helen Duree’s motion to dismiss after hearing arguments from both she and Deputy District Attorney Dwayne Stewart.
Prosecutors had amended the initial complaint April 28 to include an alternative charge. The difference, Stewart said, was the first complaint charged possession of the reported phony note, and the alternative would have charged the Andersons with passing the document.
Duree told the judge she was “very concerned about the sudden amended complaint,” but argued that, regardless, neither charges applied to the case.
The specific charges against the Andersons apply when false documents are submitted to official investigative agencies, Duree said. Stewart argued the penal code applied to “any inquiry whatsoever.”
However, Twede sided with the defense, saying the note in question was submitted to an Orland school teacher and said he did not believe “that a note to a teacher applies.”
It was not clear if prosecutors plan to appeal the ruling or re-file the case charging the same or different penal code violations.
Stewart said prosecutors have 60 days to make a decision.
Calling Wednesday’s ruling “a speed bump,” Stewart said he plans to continue enforcing and pursuing truancy cases.
“When parents deny their children the opportunity of an education, that puts the child behind the eight ball in the future,” Stewart said. “This whole process has been about giving kids that opportunity.”
A tearful Shannon Anderson shared a hug outside the courthouse with Cherrie Hazlett, who along with her husband, Anthony, was also arrested on the same charges in March.
“I’m more hopeful now that our cases will go away, too,” Hazlett said. “Maybe I won’t have to be afraid to walk outside and maybe these nightmares will go away.”
Shannon Anderson said she was relieved and grateful to supporters, who she said sent cards, flowers and food throughout the ordeal.
“In the beginning, I was so afraid because the justice system was failing us,” she said. “But, this is the best win we could have.”
Duree, who practices law part-time and took the Anderson’s case without a fee, said the decision “reinforces faith in the Glenn County court system.”
“This is a hard-working family,” Duree said. “They should not have had to go through this experience.”
Anthony and Cherrie Hazlett are due back in court May 21 for arraignment. Unlike the Andersons, the Hazletts waived their preliminary hearings last month.
Both couples were arrested in March as part of a crackdown of truancy issues by the Orland Unified School District known as the Attendance Improvement Program.
School officials have said they are only looking into cases where students missed more than 30 school days without a valid excuse. However, both couples claim their children have yet to miss even that many days.
The parents believe they are being targeted by school officials for personal reasons, which the district has denied.
The cash-strapped district is facing massive budget cuts next year and loses $32.88 each day a child misses school, according to the district website.
However, school officials have insisted the real issue is student education, not the loss of daily average attendance funds.
Superintendent Chris von Kliest was not available for comment Wednesday.
Orland Truant Officer Terry Dean had no comment on the case, but said school officials would continue to move forward with the truancy program.
now the school says you have to miss 30 days to get looked at. thats a bit outa 180. the parents say they hadn't missed that many. the parents have credibility issues though the real issue is bolded by me
http://www.orland-press-register.com/news/case-5464-couple-truancy.html
By Rob Parsons/Tri-County Newspapers
This story was first posted as breaking news at about 3 p.m. Wednesday.
The case against an Orland couple accused of forging doctor’s notes to excuse their child from school was thrown out of Glenn County Superior Court today.
Judge Peter B. Twede dismissed all charges against William and Shannon Anderson, two months after the couple were arrested on warrants charging each with a single felony count of forgery.
“I’m very happy, it’s been a long road,” William Anderson said. “It shows that even though the (prosecution) side of the law failed, the (court) side prevailed.”
Twede granted defense attorney Helen Duree’s motion to dismiss after hearing arguments from both she and Deputy District Attorney Dwayne Stewart.
Prosecutors had amended the initial complaint April 28 to include an alternative charge. The difference, Stewart said, was the first complaint charged possession of the reported phony note, and the alternative would have charged the Andersons with passing the document.
Duree told the judge she was “very concerned about the sudden amended complaint,” but argued that, regardless, neither charges applied to the case.
The specific charges against the Andersons apply when false documents are submitted to official investigative agencies, Duree said. Stewart argued the penal code applied to “any inquiry whatsoever.”
However, Twede sided with the defense, saying the note in question was submitted to an Orland school teacher and said he did not believe “that a note to a teacher applies.”
It was not clear if prosecutors plan to appeal the ruling or re-file the case charging the same or different penal code violations.
Stewart said prosecutors have 60 days to make a decision.
Calling Wednesday’s ruling “a speed bump,” Stewart said he plans to continue enforcing and pursuing truancy cases.
“When parents deny their children the opportunity of an education, that puts the child behind the eight ball in the future,” Stewart said. “This whole process has been about giving kids that opportunity.”
A tearful Shannon Anderson shared a hug outside the courthouse with Cherrie Hazlett, who along with her husband, Anthony, was also arrested on the same charges in March.
“I’m more hopeful now that our cases will go away, too,” Hazlett said. “Maybe I won’t have to be afraid to walk outside and maybe these nightmares will go away.”
Shannon Anderson said she was relieved and grateful to supporters, who she said sent cards, flowers and food throughout the ordeal.
“In the beginning, I was so afraid because the justice system was failing us,” she said. “But, this is the best win we could have.”
Duree, who practices law part-time and took the Anderson’s case without a fee, said the decision “reinforces faith in the Glenn County court system.”
“This is a hard-working family,” Duree said. “They should not have had to go through this experience.”
Anthony and Cherrie Hazlett are due back in court May 21 for arraignment. Unlike the Andersons, the Hazletts waived their preliminary hearings last month.
Both couples were arrested in March as part of a crackdown of truancy issues by the Orland Unified School District known as the Attendance Improvement Program.
School officials have said they are only looking into cases where students missed more than 30 school days without a valid excuse. However, both couples claim their children have yet to miss even that many days.
The parents believe they are being targeted by school officials for personal reasons, which the district has denied.
The cash-strapped district is facing massive budget cuts next year and loses $32.88 each day a child misses school, according to the district website.
However, school officials have insisted the real issue is student education, not the loss of daily average attendance funds.
Superintendent Chris von Kliest was not available for comment Wednesday.
Orland Truant Officer Terry Dean had no comment on the case, but said school officials would continue to move forward with the truancy program.
now the school says you have to miss 30 days to get looked at. thats a bit outa 180. the parents say they hadn't missed that many. the parents have credibility issues though the real issue is bolded by me
jcwit
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Man O man aren't we a group of perfect folks. All this over a simple Dr.'s note for an excused absence.
Lack of Common Sense here.
He who is without sin, let him cast the first stone.
Yup, how I feel. Much more important issues out their than wasting our tax dollars and court time with this.
Sounds like a lot here believe in a no tolerance policy for minor acts such as this, wonder if they feel the same way about speed limits?
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then there is the doctor saying he never saw the kids in 2010
you gotta miss 10 days before you need notes and if we believe the parents version they have missed 24. that will get you contacted around here too. how those contacts work out depends to a certain degree on attitudes on both sides
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/content?oid=1391826
Because her youngest continued vomiting, she took Logan out of school and to the office of Orland internist James Corona. She was given a note on which someone in the office wrote, “sick with flu,” Anderson said, providing a copy during a recent interview at her kitchen table. She is accused of altering the date and diagnosis with white-out; she denies any such tampering.
The doctor, Corona, has himself become the center of a dispute because of statements he has given that conflict with Shannon Anderson’s and over his handling of the boy’s medical records. An uneasy Corona returned a call to this reporter and said he hadn’t seen the Anderson boy any time in 2010. “I have nothing to do with this situation,” he said. “I’ve done nothing wrong. I haven’t given any records to nobody.”
you gotta miss 10 days before you need notes and if we believe the parents version they have missed 24. that will get you contacted around here too. how those contacts work out depends to a certain degree on attitudes on both sides
http://www.newsreview.com/chico/content?oid=1391826
Because her youngest continued vomiting, she took Logan out of school and to the office of Orland internist James Corona. She was given a note on which someone in the office wrote, “sick with flu,” Anderson said, providing a copy during a recent interview at her kitchen table. She is accused of altering the date and diagnosis with white-out; she denies any such tampering.
The doctor, Corona, has himself become the center of a dispute because of statements he has given that conflict with Shannon Anderson’s and over his handling of the boy’s medical records. An uneasy Corona returned a call to this reporter and said he hadn’t seen the Anderson boy any time in 2010. “I have nothing to do with this situation,” he said. “I’ve done nothing wrong. I haven’t given any records to nobody.”
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There you have it folks, its all about money, who'd a guessed.
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