Form .45 ACP shotshells from .308, etc.

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I heard you can make a .45 ACP "shotshell" from .30-06, .308 or simiiar
that cycles the M1911 and has a OAL the same as loaded .45 ACP. Anyone know how?
 
Yes, someone (I forgot who) makes a die for star-crimping shortened brass for loading those. It looks like the old Remington factory shot loads. The die is very expensive, and I found it cheaper to just buy factory shot loads because I only fire a handfull a year.
 
There was an article in the Handloader magazine that I had xeroxed, but I never actually tried to reload shot cartridges for .45 ACP and threw the article away. If you can find access to back numbers of the Handloader, the article may be of help. I agree with the previous poster, though. As I remember, the process as outlined struck me as a PITA. I use the Speer .38/357 plastic shot capsules. Easy to load, and they work.
 
I made many of them years ago based on an article in Guns & Ammo in 1971.
It's a time consuming, tedious process at best.

The last ones I made I used once fired theratrical blanks. Much easier but they're very hard to find.

Just buy the CCI shotshells, they function just fine.

Of you can buy the ones that Reed1911 produces. He offers different shot size options. (hint: smaller is better)
 
I seem to remember reading something about folks who made shotshells out of standard brass, using gas checks (for lead bullets) as a shot cup. Something to the effect of seating a gas check on top of the powder charge, dropping in #12 shot, and seating a gas check on top of the shot. I think this was for .38 spl, and they claimed it worked pretty well. I doubt it would work in 45acp, though.

Ryan
 
Thread about Reed's .45acp shot loads.

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Holy crap...I'm on Bluesbear's side. Lookin' at the photo and concidering what it would take...Buy the CCI Shot Shells. I keep them for Snake Shot. Do a fine job.
 
I think CH may also make the die(s). Definitely not worth it unless you shoot a lot of them. I use a revolver with handloaded shot for any volume shooting.
 
Has anyone tried to stick a 308 or 30-06 shell into a 45acp moonclip?

I am seriously considering a double action revolver in 454 casull and I think I want to get it set up for moon clips just for the fun of having more options.

I doubt I would ever buy the dies to make my own shot shells but I am wondering what the biggest concerns would be if someone tried to make a longer shotshell than would fit into a 45acp chamber?

I figure at some point the limit will be the length available from the 308 or 30-06 shell.

I am new to this section of the site, but since I am getting ready to pull out my reloading equipment again and I want to buy a new revolver I figured I would ask so my curiosity can be satisfied.
 
DO NOT use extended case shotshells in moonclipped revolvers!
It is NOT a good idea.

Yes they will fit quite well in the moonclips.
Yes they will chamber easily.
And yes you can make then a lot longer for a revolver than you can for an auto.
And yes you can load much more shot in them
And yes they will blast a pretty decent pattern with that shallow rifling.
And prehaps three will fire before the cylinder rotation gets rather tight.

And then you'll need a mallet to whack the extractor rod with SEVERAL times to eject them.
If you manage to shoot all six and happen to be using full moon clips you'll really have a dilemma.

I learned this the hard way using cylinder length shotshells loaded into half-moon clips over 25 years ago.
My buddy Major George had told me this wasn't gonna work but did I listen? :eek:
I should have asked why. But I didn't so he didn't tell.
In fact I had to remove the cylinder from the frame and used a dowel and a mallet to tap each one out a tiny bit at a time.

It seems the when the cases expand, the sharp shoulder combined with the really long length of the case allows the cylinder to really get a death grip on them. That makes extraction dang near impossible.

Major George did have some success with moonclipped shotshells in one of his early 1917 Colts. But then it was one of the early ones that had the chambers bored straight through.

Even today, CCI warns against using their .45acp shotshells in revolvers.
I have used them in one-third moon clips and ejection is stiffer than normal. But I have only loaded two rounds of shot.
Any more than two :uhoh: and you'll need the mallet.


What did I do with the remaining three of my original six years ago?
I fired them in a Ruger Blackhawk convertable. :banghead:
At least it was much easier to dismount the Ruger cylinder and since there were no clips involved I could mallet each round out one at a time.


Did I mention it's just not a good idea?
 
Well, it sounded good in theory but thanks for the complete explanation on why not to do it.

I am glad I asked because I was kind of thinking this was a no brainer and was a silly thing to ask.
 
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