Fox News is making me ILL!

[gunsmith]

Tonight ,Kimberly Guilfoyle is talking about the Petit family
killings.
Her advice (and some retired NYPD detective) if surprised by a home invader?
Comply!:banghead:

Thats exactly what they did!

If Fox News is conservative, then we are in trouble.

 

[Invalid]

Uh, if I were surprised by a home invader I'd probably do whatever they said, since, y'know, they surprised me and probably didn't give me time to grab my shotgun and fight back. I think you've confused two entirely different scenarios here.

 

[gunsmith]

nope, and welcome to thr

I didn't explain it carefully enough, Kimberly said "if you hear something downstairs" or something to that effect, the cop said you should reach for your...panic button...

I keep my bedroom door locked, so that anyone coming in to "surprise" me will be surprised by a .357mag on my nightstand.

And, well, look at what happens to people who comply, they die!
even if you are taken completely by surprise, fight back.
The NJ students? The Petit family?
They complied.

 

[pdowg881]

I can never decide if it's better to have the bedroom door open so you can hear what's going on outside the room much better, or locking it, giving you more time. It's choosong between knowing trouble is coming because you can hear something isn't right, or knowing troubles already there and you have a few extra seconds since the door is locked.

 

[Alex45ACP]

^ Why not have both?

Get an alarm or a dog (or both), and keep the door locked.

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

the cop said you should reach for your...panic button...

Did he say what sized panic button to reach for?

Does this panic button have a .45 cal piece of lead behind it? Or a slug?

I will not ever live in a house w/o a large dog or two...

I prefer german shepherd sized alarms myself.

 

[Invalid]

I didn't explain it carefully enough, Kimberly said "if you hear something downstairs" or something to that effect, the cop said you should reach for your...panic button...

I keep my bedroom door locked, so that anyone coming in to "surprise" me will be surprised by a .357mag on my nightstand.

And, well, look at what happens to people who comply, they die!
even if you are taken completely by surprise, fight back.
The NJ students? The Petit family?
They complied.

I see what you're getting at, but I think it's bad advice to give- if someone pops in on you and your family holding a .357 and threatening to blast anyone who moves, what good would it do to 'fight back?' You'll get shot, and then who knows what would happen to your family.

The best response is a response crafted around the situation, not a blind 'TAKE THIS' attack at every single chance. Surprised, but armed? Fight back. Surprised in the shower? Do what he says, assess the situation and fight back if it doesn't mean you'll be blown to pieces. The NJ students, the Petit family- they complied, sure, but what about the single incidences where a victim gave the assailant his/her watch or whatever, and the assailant left? Methinks it's much better (in that situation) to have complied and lived, rather than risked dying for a watch. Cut your losses, you know?

 

[SAG0282]

 

[mike101]

The Petit's didn't have a "panic button" in the house, unfortunately. I saw on the news, a couple of days later, that local sales of panic buttons had sky-rocketed. Yep, right there in "liberal" Connecticutt.

 

[JWarren]

The second amendment ensures our RKBPB. (Right to Keep and Bear Panic Buttons.)


Fox News is a toss up. I'd wager that none on this board have logged more hours watching Fox News. I know... God help me.

I watch it in the mornings when having coffee before work, and then it is on for 8-9 hours in my office. That puts me at about 10-11 hours per day.

I believe that Fox is secumbing to the criticism that they are a conservative outlet instead of the "Fair and Balanced" that they strive for. Over the last few years, I've noticed more of a "liberal" slant on some of their segements. And remember--- Geraldo Rivera IS on the NRA's list of Anti-Gun persons that was last updated Jan, 2007. And he is one of their correspondants.

I've heard other correspondants make remarks that I didn't like from a RKBA perspective. I think I heard that kinky-haired guy (who annoys me in general) on Fox and Friends say something during the VT incident.


During the CT home-invasion, one of the Fox segments had a former Police Chief of Washington D.C. on. This Police Chief was telling how to survive a home invasion and it was the typical drivel-- comply, negotiate and make a "pact" with the invaders, etc.

When asked about if you should have a gun, I held my breath and already felt my blood pressure rising in anticipation of the response. He surprised me by saying "Yes, I think it is a very good idea to have a gun in your home."


I get a serious impression that people are no longer buying the message of the anti-gun lobby anymore. More and more people are realizing that 911 will not save your life. More likely they will get there in time to clean up the mess. This isn't a slam on cops. It is a slam on the idiotic belief that 911 IS protection. I don't care how great LEOs are... if you have to call them, they don't magically appear in your living room-- they drive over and driving takes time. I live 17 miles from our Sheriff's office. I don't expect a response under 20 minutes.


-- John

 

[gunsmith]

the problem, imo is you do not know what happens if you don't fight back..
oh btw, I have a large bowie and a small .25 hidden in the bathroom.
I lock that door too, when I'm taking a...shower....

 

[sm]

Humm,
I personally do not own a TV.
One less something to dust...

News is just biased filler between commercials.
Fox , last I heard was doing pretty good on weather part of the news...

Home safety, my take is folks need to quit allowing themselves to be brainwashed by TV news, and TV shows.

Use Internet, or hit the library and do some research on all this for where they live.
Investigate and verify for themselves.
Find out what is out there for for them to use to stay safe and go that route.

Panic Button.
Only place for a Panic Button are in restrooms for Physically Limited to use ,
and in the Elevators like we have always have.

 

[Deanimator]

You should never resist, since everyone knows that you can always trust in the common sense, judgement and better nature of a couple of ten time losers out on parole who're in the act of committing a violent home invasion...

 

[JWarren]

sm,

well said.


My grandfather used to tell me about a time when the News JUST gave you information INSTEAD of telling you HOW to think.

I think that must have been the "good ole days."


-- John

 

[romma]

Why have just one panic button?

 

[40SW]

Fox news conservative?!?!?!?! HAHAHAHA:banghead:
Two word!!!, Rupert Murdoch, A Globalist and a pro UN worldview anti gun nut. Friends with George Sorous, and other enemies of gun rights. I trust Fox News to be fair and balanced about as much as I trust Bill Clinton at an interns convention.
I'd rather listen to people who get it, like Ron Paul.
If this idiot of a Fox reporter actually consulted the FBI database, they would have realized that the risk of complying with an intruder is about 1000% higher than fighting back. These people are sheep for the slaughter who don't value the sanctity of human life. Fox news is blocked on my cable box.

 

[FieroCDSP]

Whether to comply or fight is determined by the scenario. The situation could also change at a moment's notice.
The difference between compliance and submission is your attitude. With compliance, you are doing what they say while looking for an open to run, fight, draw, whatever.
Submission involves a mindset that the BG is in control and there's nothing you can do about it, so might as well do what they say and hope they leave.

Never confuse the two.

In yet another VT point, some of the students (possibly most) submitted, rather than complied. They likely mistook a mass-killing situation for a hostage situation initially. The moment the first body hit the floor, the rest should have switched from compliance to attack. I know that's easy to say from behind a keyboard, but a bum rush is the best unarmed defense against a gunman. Some more would get shot, but the situation changes dramaticly when the gunman is suddenly facing numerous people, all attacking.

But we've taught our kids (or let them be taught) that submission is compliance, or haven't taught them the difference between the two. This has to change, or we'll be a nation of weak fools under total government control in twenty years.

 

[MaterDei]

If Fox News is conservative, then we are in trouble.

They are, are we are.

fwiw, I don't have a TV either.

 

[DesertDawg]

In my opinion, FOX News is MORE "fair and balanced" than any of the other cable or local TV news channels. Yes, they DO have some of their teleprompter readers who are anti-gun and liberal, but not ALL of them!

The thing about home invasion robberies is that they usually come as a total surprise, and there are usually multiple suspects. There's usually not much that you can do, at least at the start of the incident.

On the other hand, having a firearm in a readily accessible but concealed place AND have a plan on how to get to that firearm is probably your best bet. Dogs? Well, sure....but, the suspects may dispatch them instantly. Alarm system? Okay, but remember that there have been numerous surveys on alarms, disclosing that up to 93% of all alarm activations are "false" activations, and the police KNOW those statistics. Probably better to, if possible, dial 9-1-1 and leave the phone off the hook. Even if you can't talk to the police emergency center, they may be able to hear what is going on...and send a unit on a high priority "unknown trouble" call.

I would hate to "comply" with home invasion robbers, but that might have to be done. If my wife, daughter and myself are herded into one of the back rooms, then the "complying" aspect will cease immediately, for they're probably "herding" you in there for a deadly purpose! Time to start using anything/everything available to throw/smash/jab with, and pray for the strength to defend yourself and loved ones!

 

[sm]

News, TV and my mom.

She knows I detest TV and especially TV Preachers, and News.
Now I had tried to share with her how folks get all worked up and when I was doing some medical stuff, how it affected patients.

Ticked her off I did.

She turned into Channel Surfer with the last TV she got.
So she went from getting all upset watching news, to really getting upset flipping channels and seeing what upset her, over and over.

I again tried to suggest this was not a good thing.

Ticked her off I did. This time with that Snappy tone of a Channel Flipper.
You know, got that remote just so-so, that mean game face and tone of voice.

She went in for surgery here awhile back.
I was hoping she would do without the TV, just my luck folks remembered me, she gets a private room for regular rate and - free TV.
The nicer TV with the nicer remote.
I think my old friends did that to tick me off.

I went up and asked one of the Nurses if the damn thing had the TV Preachers...yeah.
I offered a $10 to just have the thing "break", Nurse laughed said no.

Humm...they check vital signs when you in the hospital.
I get to taking note of vitals and times and ...
I point out to the Nurse I knew.
"You have been trying to tell your mom about TV, and health?" - she asked
"Yes" I replied. I went to mention calm soothing stuff, cartoons, scenery, funny movies and were fine, but the news and TV Preachers were NOT good.

Oh. My. Goodness!
Nurses got to paying attention to what I said and I had nailed it.

They blocked off the news, TV Preachers and instead found some stations with some old movies, comedy , cartoons (Bugs Bunny and them kind) and soothing scenery with nice music.

Mom looked like they done stole her best friend "Negative TV" .
She looked at me real hard " you did this to me".

I kid you not, her vitals improved, they showed her the "charting" if you will.
It was that evident.
She did OK for a bit after she got out of hospital and was home not watching TV like she did, and now is back to what she was doing.

She is mad at me again , another medical deal, another doctor and this doctor mentioned attitude and staying positive and not watching Negative TV.

Doc said this to her, not me. I had not met the doctor I until I took mom to see this one.


Negative sells .TV is selling advertising.

Commercials...
Heck you can be as healthy as a horse, and after the commercials for meds, and ailments one can get to feeling something is wrong with them.

 

[TallPine]

The thing about home invasion robberies is that they usually come as a total surprise

It is so rude when people visit without calling first.

Stay armed. Stay alert.

 

[alucard0822]

By far the best practice is to prepare your home with proper security so you will not be surprised. The vast majority of break-ins are still when no-one is home, and no-one to surprise or fight back and an alarm will protect your home even when you are not there. A good alarm system (do not place brand specific signs like "ADT", use "Protected by security system", or CCTV, a safe for firearms and valuables, glass shield for windows, placing mirrors to give you a look around blind corners (mirrored photo frames on small end tables work well) strong locks on strong doors, cameras if possible, family emergency drills, they all can save your life not just from an intruder, but from fire, and medical emergencies. Securing your home will help ensure that you can use a firearm to the greatest effect, and probably wont even need to use it.

I for one in no way shape or form would trust a criminal to spare my life by complying, and would rather meet my end with a bullet while throwing the most devastating punches I can muster (no ccw for serfs in MD) than to be tortured or beaten to death while "complying", I know, not very "morally superior" to defend myself against one of the poor "victims of society" oh well.

 

[ozwyn]

Well invalid, FBI and justice department studies show fighting back gives you vastly improved odds of surviving all such incidents.

If you want to play the odds, fighting back is the best chance you have.

 

[GunTech]

I have two dogs. The Australian cattle dog is smart enough to dial the police while the Rottweiler takes care of business.

Usually I get woken up by barking when someone comes onto the property.

 

[benEzra]

I see what you're getting at, but I think it's bad advice to give- if someone pops in on you and your family holding a .357 and threatening to blast anyone who moves, what good would it do to 'fight back?' You'll get shot, and then who knows what would happen to your family.

A gun isn't the only tool in the toolbox; an essential component of any defensive strategy is something to give you a few seconds' warning (alarm, dog, combination of the two).

Anyone who "pops in" our family "holding a .357 and threatening to blast anyone who moves" will hopefully be at a serious tactical disadvantage by that point.

IMHO, compliance in that situation only leaves you at the mercy of the merciless. Someone who knowingly breaks into an occupied home waving a weapon around and threatening to kill people is not your typical street mugger, but someone with a greater propensity for violence.

The National Crime Victimization Survey unfortunately worked with a small sample size, but within the sample they had, defense with a gun provided a lower victim injury rate than compliance, and ALL injuries sustained by victims who defended themselves with a gun were sustained before they accessed the gun.

The best response is a response crafted around the situation, not a blind 'TAKE THIS' attack at every single chance. Surprised, but armed? Fight back. Surprised in the shower? Do what he says, assess the situation and fight back if it doesn't mean you'll be blown to pieces. The NJ students, the Petit family- they complied, sure, but what about the single incidences where a victim gave the assailant his/her watch or whatever, and the assailant left? Methinks it's much better (in that situation) to have complied and lived, rather than risked dying for a watch. Cut your losses, you know?

Again, if you are talking about people who knowingly invade an occupied home and confront the homeowners, in a country where 40% of households own guns, you are talking about people who have a bent toward confrontation and violence.

I'm not saying that compliance is never the best option for any scenario, but I would not make it the default option for a home invasion, by any means. Such incidents are, thankfully, quite rare, and I hope they stay that way.