Fred Thompson's Timing

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FT can say all he wants, just like every other pol. As I pointed out the votes speak for themselves. He is actively against the BOR.

The type cancer he has will kill him within ten years and likely sooner. The odds of him living to 2012 are less than 60%, just from the cancer.

The economy is doing well? I suppose if you can pretend that we did not just borrow $12,000,000,000,000.00 to finance a run away social state all under repubs that pushed the % of the GDP of government spending to a a level as high as it has ever been in the history of the country I can pretend too...

I suppose if Obama or Kucinich were on the ticket and people looked crazy enough to vote them in I might vote for FT. That would be a really strange constellation of events though. But the chance of any dem getting the vote here in Texas is so small I will likely stay home.
 
Titan - Everything I've seen about FT's cancer is that it is a type most people who get die with, and not from. It's very treatable and is not considered to be a threat to his long term health. If you ahve a different source, please post it.
 
How did the original post not get locked. It's about a politician, but doesn't even try to be relevant by mentioning the gun views of the politician. It explicitly is about the timing of his presidential candidacy announcement.....
 
I don't buy into the idea that he's missing all the money. I know many poeple, personally, who are holding onto their checkbooks until he declares, myself included.

Same here. Giuliani and Romney are no better than Hitlery and Hussein when it comes to Second Amendment issues. Neither will get my vote...ever. I hope to God Fred runs, otherwise we're screwed.
 
Originally posted by CA357:
Ron Paul is a good man, a man of character and ideals. I don't think he has a chance at winning the nomination.
Fred Thompson, while possibly not the greatest candidate is a genuine conservative. I believe he's also a man of conviction. He is probably our best chance of winning the Presidency. He's got a pretty good voting record.
I don't think Republicans can afford to be divided when faced with Obama or Clinton. We absolutely must prevail or our Country will be further driven into socialism.
Please dont say "our" as you dont speak for me. The Republicans have already driven us further into socialism by giving the federal government over our lives.

But please dont assume that everyone on this board is a Republican.
 
Several people that post mostly in L&P are from DU. While some of them might actually believe in some kind of RKBA, they'll happily vote for Hillary next fall. They have an agenda here. Consider the source.

David
 
How did the original post not get locked. It's about a politician, but doesn't even try to be relevant by mentioning the gun views of the politician. It explicitly is about the timing of his presidential candidacy announcement.....

Fred Thompson is one of the few (soon to be) leading nominees who actually supports the 2nd Amendment. That fact alone makes any news regarding his candidacy relavent to guns, and hence worthy of posting in L&P.

The economy is doing well?

The Dow is stable at over 13,300 (highest in history), inflation is virtually non-existant, and we have a 4.3% unemployment rate. You're right, the ecomony is doomed. :rolleyes:
 
Gosh let's see:
Survival rates for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma can be computed here but you would need access to Mr. Thompson's medical records to determine it exactly. Although we know his age so that drops down his time on Earth a little right off the bat by about 20%.

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/c...non-Hodgkins_lymphoma_staged_32.asp?sitearea=

The Dow is stable at over 13,300 (highest in history), inflation is virtually non-existant, and we have a 4.3% unemployment rate. You're right, the ecomony is doomed.

If I borrow three million dollars to pay off all my bills, buy a house, a car, a trip to the Caymans, donate money to GreenPeace, my Church, build a school for the community, feed all the poor on skid row for a year, hire a gardner and a cook and buy a helicopter am I any better off? I don't think so, all I am is three million in debt with little assets to show for it. So I borrow more money next year to pay a little interest on the loan. And then the next....

Also all the things you have mentioned can be controlled by the amount of money in the economy except inflation. Well guess what? You are dead wrong about inflation, inflation is at highest level in ten years and climbing:

Percentage change 12 months SAAR 3
ended in December mos. ended
in March
2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007

All items 3.4 1.6 2.4 1.9 3.3 3.4 2.5 4.7
Food and beverages 2.8 2.8 1.5 3.5 2.6 2.3 2.2 7.4
Housing 4.3 2.9 2.4 2.2 3.0 4.0 3.3 3.5
Apparel -1.8 -3.2 -1.8 -2.1 -.2 -1.1 .9 -.9
Transportation 4.1 -3.8 3.8 .3 6.5 4.8 1.6 8.3
Medical care 4.2 4.7 5.0 3.7 4.2 4.3 3.6 5.6
Recreation 1.7 1.5 1.1 1.1 .7 1.1 1.0 .1
Education and
communication 1.3 3.2 2.2 1.6 1.5 2.4 2.3 2.7
Other goods
and services 4.2 4.5 3.3 1.5 2.5 3.1 3.0 4.7

Special indexes
Energy 14.2 -13.0 10.7 6.9 16.6 17.1 2.9 22.9
Energy
commodities 15.7 -24.5 23.7 6.9 26.7 16.7 6.1 30.9
Energy
services 12.7 -1.5 .4 6.9 6.8 17.6 -.6 13.8
All items less
energy 2.6 2.8 1.8 1.5 2.2 2.2 2.5 2.9
Food 2.8 2.8 1.5 3.6 2.7 2.3 2.1 7.3
All items less
food and energy 2.6 2.7 1.9 1.1 2.2 2.2 2.6 2.3

If you look you will see energy costs are up 23%, food 7.3%, on average this year. I find this significant and this is just an ugly begining. You can not blame it on the war, Iraq pumps more oil this year than it did last...

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm

If you understand things like balance of trade, the value of the US dollar, the entitlements due to retirees, you might be a little more concerned. We can prop up the economy on borrowed dollars until no one wants them anymore but sooner or later we will have to pay up. When we pay up with US dollars by the tanker car full they will become about as worth as much toilet paper. When the dollar becomes worthless and we will be unable to buy just about anything as we have sent most of our manufacturing base out of the country. If we don't reverese this trend we are done.

Historically FT is good to go on 2A. However I never intend to have to use that right as that would mean we are seeing catostrophic conditions in this country. I would like to keep the right to free speech, right against warantless searches, self incrimination through torture, secret evidence, secret prisons, etc, etc... For Fred Thompson to support getting rid of these rights is far more important than any essay he will ever write on gun control. Because the truth is when they come for you and your family at 3am and torture a confession out of you, and throw you in a secret prison never to be heard from again your guns won't mean squat, unless you used them in which case the only difference will be you are dead. Anyone who will so easily dismiss the bill of rights cares nothing for freedom.

We talk about the coming police state, we talk about how the Democrats are going to turn the country to socialism and Rudy G will take us to authoritarian fascism but the truth is the tools are already in place and Fred Thompson was a big cheer leader putting them there. All in the name of a little more security and safety.... People who support that garbage deserve neither.

Will you stand pat against it or are you looking for more of the same? Because Fred Thompson is more of the same. The choice is yours.
 
Survival rates for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma can be computed here but you would need access to Mr. Thompson's medical records to determine it exactly. Although we know his age so that drops down his time on Earth a little right off the bat by about 20%.

As people have said, the Thompson-Paul ticket is appealing.
 
I think the Sen is doing a very clever campaign. He uses the media as well as
blogs to let people know his opinion on certain subjects. He has many people
talking about him and even a website started by a person trying to ignite the
chance to make a run in 08..

Since this has cost VERY little, and in fact he might even be making
some small amount of money doing this as well as doing interviews on
different shows, etc, I think he's done very well. Nothing moves better
than word of mouth and free TV recognition.

Another aspect of this is the fact that people are starting to recognize him.
He gets on TV and does a few interviews. He posts on some different blogs
and shows people where he stands. He's already on one of the longest
running TV drama shows going. He states how things look to him and
down the road Mom & Pop are sitting watching the tube or listening to
the radio when it's announced he's going to run. Mom & Pop look at
each other and say " Hmm. That's that fella from the Law & Order show.
He seems alright. Maybe we'll listen to what he has to say."

And it didn't cost him much at all.. Seems like pretty smart
platforming / campaigning to me.

Titan6 said:
If you look you will see energy costs are up 23%, food 7.3%, on average this year. I find this significant and this is just an ugly begining. You can not blame it on the war, Iraq pumps more oil this year than it did last...
It doesn't help much when one company owns 7 refineries here in
the West..

http://www.bizjournals.com/losangeles/stories/2007/05/07/daily54.html?from_rss=1

Tesoro Corp. has closed on its planned purchase of Shell Oil Products US' Los Angeles area refinery and 278 retail stations for $1.76 billion, the company said Friday.

San Antonio-based Tesoro (NYSE: TSO) now owns seven refineries in the western United States with a combined throughput capacity of 660,000 barrels per day.
What's to keep em from slowing down the process when profits aren't
buying them tickets to San Moritz for some fun ?
 
Most of the conservative wing is talking about him like he is the second coming of Ronald Regean.

On postitive notes Regean helped heal the country, restored the military and got rid of communism. What will Thompson's mission/ message be?
 
Certainly is a small world..
http://www.yahoo.com/s/581094

NEW YORK - NBC's top entertainment executive said Monday
that he doesn't expect actor and potential Republican presidential
candidate Fred Thompson back on "Law & Order" next season.
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NBC Entertainment President Kevin Reilly claimed no insider knowledge
of Thompson's political plans, but his statement indicated the seriousness
of Thompson's presidential musings. The former Tennessee senator has
been making speaking appearances and blogging on issues in recent
weeks as he considers a candidacy.

"It's pretty clear that Fred is going to be leaving the cast of the show
no matter what," Reilly said at a news conference on NBC's fall schedule.
 
What's to keep em from slowing down the process when profits aren't buying them tickets to San Moritz for some fun ?

Gaming (a la Enron) is normal and already taken into account. With the light heating season last year it is to be expected. What we are talking about is a huge decline in the dollar. This has pushed energy to record highs.
 
An ever-increasing worldwide demand probably has a little to do with it. Of course the cost's of products have gone up a lot recently. When the price of oil goes up EVERYTHING goes along with it. It's amazing how strong this economy has stayed considering the gas burden.

Titan, you don't like Fred but think Hillary is unbearable, so you are saying Fred's still not worth it even if it keeps Hillary out?
 
I really don't know what all the backbiting is about.

A Democrat is going to win next year.

So, pick your favorite Democrat.
 
I really don't know what all the backbiting is about.

A Democrat is going to win next year.

So, pick your favorite Democrat.
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Well this is a cheerful way to start off a Tuesday morning :eek:

I truthfully don't believe that the country has swung that far left, yet. I have a lot of co-workers that are fence sitters and libertarians that are excited about the thought of Fred Thompson, and this is at a University where just about everyone leans left.
BTW, the Republican debate is here tonight, and thank God I did not get sucked into that production vortex, it is a mad house at the Koger center!
4 years ago we had the Democratic debate here on campus and everyone was coming out of the woodwork offering their assistance, now that it is a Republican debate, the same yahoos are trying their best to slow down the process by acting like "It's not my job....."
 
For the record, inflation is at just 3.2%. You can cherry-pick markets to make your point all you like, but it's the aggregate that makes up the inflation index.

The economy is strong. The Bush tax cuts worked. Get over it.
 
Think about how strong the economy would be without the housing market/loan issues dragging it down.....

If we can make some appropriate strides towards reducing our need to purchase oil from Venezuela and the Middle East that will keep some ungodly amout of money like 90 Billion here at home instead of in the hands of the ME and trickling into the hands of Terrorists....we need to accept the fact that we are in fact funding the war against ourselves....thats a harsh pill for most people to swallow.

Back to Fred T. I personally believe that his timing will be very good. Let the current windbags run their course and when people are sick and tired of him he'll step in with a fresh face and fresh ideas/solutions.
 
Correlation does not imply causation.

Same thing happened under Reagan. Also amidst a recession. Also while waging a large and costly military campaign. Also why ney-sayers claimed such cuts would cripple the economy.

"Correlation does not imply causation" is fun to say, but has no bearing on cold, hard economic outcomes.
 
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