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from an NRA alert rec'd today

Discussion in 'Legal' started by alan, Dec 13, 2008.

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  1. alan

    alan Member

    Dec 24, 2002
    sowest pa.
    Posters comment:

    Ladies and gentlemen

    Absent ammunition, the Second Amendment amounts to your right to keep and bear a club of some sort. The enactment of such as is discussed below could well spell the end of ammunition availability. At the very least, it could create serious distribution problems, not to mention cost increases that would make recent price movements look like that proverbial walk in the park. Keep and eye pealed for such proposals, and don't for a minute forget the following. Your elected thing's first desire is to retain office. To further that desire, they react to pressure. Never forget that, and never forget to keep in touch with your employees, otherwise known as the above, your elected things.

    Ammo Ban And Registration Proposal Getting Fresh Look

    Friday, December 12, 2008

    Happy Holidays: Now dispose of all of your ammunition! Every last round! From now on, you will be able to buy only overpriced ammunition that will be registered to you in a government database.

    Not yet--at least for now. A small company, Ammunition Accountability--which wants to help anti-gunners price and regulate the Second Amendment out of existence, profit at the expense of our rights, or both--has found radical anti-gun legislators in 18 states willing to introduce bills pushing such nonsense.

    But few anti-gun proposals are so overtly aimed at destroying the Right to Keep and Bear Arms. As we began noting on www.nraila.org in January, so-called “encoded ammunition” or “serialized ammunition” bills would require ammunition manufacturers to engrave a serial number on the base of the bullet and the inside of the cartridge casing of each round of ammunition for popular sporting caliber center-fire rifles, all center-fire pistols, all .22 rimfire rifles and pistols, and all 12 gauge shotguns. In all but one of the bills, people would be required to forfeit all personally owned non-“encoded” ammunition. After a certain date, it would be illegal to possess non-“encoded” ammunition. Reloading would be rendered illegal.

    People would be required to separately register every box of “encoded ammunition” and the registration would be supplied to the police. Each box of ammunition would have a unique serial number, thus a separate registration. Gun owners would have to maintain records if they sell ammunition to anyone, including family members or friends. The cost of ammunition would soar, for police and private citizens alike. The Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturing Institute estimates it would take three weeks to produce ammunition currently produced in a single day. A tax of five cents a round would be imposed on private citizens, not only upon initial sale, but every time the ammunition changes hands thereafter.

    And to what benefit in terms of fighting crime? Criminals already steal guns and would certainly steal ammunition. Burglaries would be encouraged. Criminals could also use shotguns, which fire pellets too small to encode, and which use shell casings made of plastic, which would be difficult to engrave. Criminals could also collect ammunition cases from shooting ranges, and reload them with molten lead bullets made without serial numbers.

    Congress eliminated a handgun ammunition sale recordation requirement in 1983, because there was no law enforcement benefit. Be on the lookout in your states in the next legislative session for anti-gun zealots who refuse to learn from history, plus continue their crusade against our Second Amendment rights.

    For more information on this issue, please visit http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactShe...=227&issue=005, and www.nraila.org/Issues/Articles/Read.aspx?id=289.

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  2. TooTaxed

    TooTaxed Member

    Dec 31, 2002
    Columbus, Georgia
    When I got an EMAIL on this a few days ago I thought it might be old...the Ammunition Accountability website is written for the start of the 2008 legislative session, and the blurb says it has been introduced in 18 states...one of which is **********, which has adopted it...although the capability for employing it hadn't been developed yet!

    However, besides the NRA-ILA warning newsletter I just received, there is a front-page article in today's World Net Daily on the same thing. I think possibly these bills were simply tabled in most states, but still languish on someone's desk, awaiting resurrection and action by the newly-elected state governments.

    Here's the link to the AA website, listing the specific state bills and drafts of each:

    If enacted this would:

    1. Make currently owned ammunition illegal.

    2. Vastly increase the cost of replacement ammunition.

    3. Require registration and tracking of all ammunition purchases.

    4. End ammunition reloading.

    5. Have no deterrent effect of criminal use of guns in crime. (Of COURSE the criminals will obey the law and not use stocks of old ammunition or steal it! That would be illegal...)

    This is extremely important and the status of each of these bills should be researched and the gun-favoring community alerted to contact their state government representatives!
  3. Art Eatman

    Art Eatman Administrator Staff Member

    Dec 22, 2002
    Terlingua, TX; Thomasville,GA
    If somebody wants to wade through and separate active legislative efforts from others, and post such info, okay. Otherwise, this thread will be nothing more than venting and ranting and we just don't need to bother with that.
  4. Mrs. Armoredman

    Mrs. Armoredman Member

    Oct 23, 2004
    That is really really stupid.
  5. armoredman

    armoredman Member

    Nov 19, 2003
    proud to be in AZ
    I'll see if it'as re-introduced in AZ in January, when our legislature goes back in session, (adjurned sin die back in July, months after this thing was killed quickly the first time), and we'll see, with our shiny new Republican governor.
  6. TigerXJ

    TigerXJ Member

    Dec 14, 2008
    I currently live in Chapel Hill, NC, but home is r
    make 12ga shells encoded, and 20ga will suddenly become more popular...
  7. feedthehogs

    feedthehogs Member

    Jan 8, 2003
    From theri web site:

    For the most part only if your killing a family of ballistic gel.

    Hunters need to keep their recovered rounds and send them to their legislators in the states this is being introduced in.

    Over the years only about 20% of recovered rounds I've seen could have ever possibly been read.

    Very rare does a round look like the nice pictures of expanded rounds the bullet makers put in their ads.
  8. mbt2001

    mbt2001 Member

    Dec 5, 2005
    I don't think that the Police / Security / Army want anyone to ever know JUST EXACTLY who fired that round that killed the perp / grandma down the street on a deflection and so on. In a gun fight, A LOT of things happen and any collateral damage should rightly be blamed on the perp or something to that effect. But being able to know EXACTLY who fired the kill shot could get sticky for insurance and liability purposes.

    For several reasons, the above being one of them, I don't think this movement will go anwhere. I don't mean that we shouldn't take it seriously, I was just giving another angle.
  9. dbarile

    dbarile Member

    Nov 20, 2008
    Previously "dead on arrival" in many states, but who really knows.

    It appears to mainly be a revenue generator for the company who holds the patent on the marking system.

    The problem with all these stories is that no one knows what is going to happen in January when the new administration comes in.

    Is there enough support for this in the incoming congress etc? I don't know. At this point I think we would have to say all bets are off. More likely you will see the enactment of H.R. 1022.

    The net result is uncertainty; which drives up prices, both gun and ammo, for us all.

    It's just a waiting game until January.
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