Frustrating private sale experience, unintended consequences?

[Dr.Rob]

Or Intended All Along?

Good luck finding a retailer willing to handle a private transfer in Loveland, CO. Businesses I have had dealings with before flat out said NO then referred us to a number of pawn shops which also said NO, and one I called had NEVER heard of the new law requiring a background check on private sales. But wait, it gets better.

Our final pawn shop stop was very helpful. While they didn't do private sales, they called the Loveland Police Dept for advice, who said they have nothing to do with that, (and what law were we talking about?) and referred us to the sheriff's dept., who referred us to CBI, which told us "check the website and proceed" (you can't to an xfer online or otherwise unless you are a dealer) see website: according to recent Colorado Legislation, effect July 1, 2013 (HB13-1229) a background check is required for all private transfer of firearms which must be conducted through a licensed firearm dealer (FFL).

So THREE law enforcement agencies gave us bad, erroneous and sometimes contradictory information.

We did find a dealer in Fort Collins (Liberty Arms USA) that was HAPPY to do our transfer for a TOTAL of $20.

I have never had such a runaround attempting to obey a law. Maybe that was the whole point. I don't see a criminal dealing guns bothering to go through the steps we did to transact a sale.

 

[Ryanxia]

That's a very interesting experience, thank you for sharing.
I fear CO will have some more heavy lifting to do before getting a shot to repeal those stupids laws.

 

[Midwest]

Thanks too for sharing, our friends in Washington State could be facing the same problem with I-594. The strongest message the fine people of Colorado can send, is to throw out Hickenlooper in the elections.
.

 

[Frank Ettin]

In California, the law requires private party transfers to go through a dealer. The law also requires that dealers do private party transfers and sets a maximum fee (no more than $35.00).

 

[Jim K]

The new MD law requires purchasers of handguns (with some exceptions) to be fingerprinted and issued an ID card in addition to filling out long forms and waiting at least 7 days.

So, the right wing tries to implement voting laws requiring fingerprinting, photographing and issuing of ID cards, an idea that is denounced as racist because its impact would be mostly on black citizens.

But the left wing insists that a handgun law requiring fingerprinting, photographing and issuance of an ID card is not racist, even though its intended impact will be mostly on black citizens.

I guess it is a matter of which right is being violated.

Jim

 

[JRWhit]

The new MD law requires purchasers of handguns (with some exceptions) to be fingerprinted and issued an ID card in addition to filling out long forms and waiting at least 7 days.

So, the right wing tries to implement voting laws requiring fingerprinting, photographing and issuing of ID cards, an idea that is denounced as racist because its impact would be mostly on black citizens.

But the left wing insists that a handgun law requiring fingerprinting, photographing and issuance of an ID card is not racist, even though its intended impact will be mostly on black citizens.

I guess it is a matter of which right is being violated.

Jim

This sounds way to logical to apply to politics.

 

[BK]

And I'm guessing you tried Jensen too? Surprised they didn't do it. They certainly know the laws forward and backward.

 

[Sol]

Wow, several businesses turned down easy money.

Unusual.

 

[CZCCW]

Did any of the FFL gave you a specific reason to NOT do the transfer? Here in Florida is not required for private sales, but all responsible gun owners do transfer them in private sales. FFL s are more than happy to do them here and take your money so I dont understand the reasoning behind not doing it.

 

[vamo]

Its not completey unheard of for a seller to demand that they meet at an ffl for transfer. I have never heard of it being an issue in the states I have lived in, is there something special about the Colorado law that makes it an extra pain to comply with? Or are these dealers just being difficult?

 

[il.bill]

Wow! Reading this thread I am struck by a thought that I never before imagined myself having when it comes to state firearm buying/selling laws: am I glad that I live in ILLINOIS ...

 

[slumlord44]

Since you also live in Illinois have you tried to verify that a buyers Foid was valid in order to do a private sale? It is required now. Haven't had to do it yet. Supposed to call the Illinois State Police but I wonder if they know about it?

 

[dogmush]

Did any of the FFL gave you a specific reason to NOT do the transfer? Here in Florida is not required for private sales, but all responsible gun owners do transfer them in private sales. FFL s are more than happy to do them here and take your money so I dont understand the reasoning behind not doing it.

[Raises eyebrows] Say what now? I live in FL, and NONE of the responsible gun owners I know use an FFL for an in state transfer. I certainly wouldn't pay for one.

OP, it is almost certainly an intended effect of the law to make private transfers more difficult, and thus less popular among gun owners. Sucks, but true.

 

[AlexanderA]

You would think that FFL dealers would welcome these transactions as an additional source of "free" income to them. I always thought that when background checks on private sales were being debated, the dealers would line up in favor of the proposal, for the reason that they had money to gain.

I may have been wrong in this assessment. The dealers, being "gun guys," may have decided, individually, to put as many roadblocks as possible on the implementation of the law, hoping that non-cooperation would lead to its failure. Could this be what we're seeing in Colorado?

 

[TMR]

No..In Florida we do not us an FFL for private transfers. I buy and sell a few and never even give it a thought.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

We tried Jensen's first. We were given several reasons why they didn't want to do it from "not enough money" (The law mandates a $10 fee, Liberty charged the transfer fee of $10 and the background check fee of $10 for the twenty dollar total.) to problems with the recordkeeping. To do the transfer the shop had to log in the gun being sold even though they were not in possession of the gun. I think it might be to protect themselves from being involved in a stolen gun transaction if the BATF found the serial number was listed as a stolen gun. The potential headache for the dealer probably exceeds $10. Those of you who are not in business will probably not understand the risk to reward ratio.

 

[BigG]

I'd move outa the state. Colorado. They oughta turn in their W of Mississippi card. Sheesh!

 

[Dr.Rob]

I was surprised Jensen's would not take our business as they were my FIRST choice. I have purchased most of my new firearms from them over the past few years.

We got it done, my point overall was several businesses AND LE agencies seemed to NOT know, or be able to direct us to make a legal sale--including the agency responsible for background checks.

There are a number of dealers who advertise their rates for a private transfer, we were both rather shocked NOT to be able to find one in a city like Loveland.

 

[3212]

This is what happens when big city liberals use their money and influence in politics.

 

[CoalTrain49]

For a LE agency it's just another reg they have to keep track of. Like they don't have enough to keep track of now. Most are understaffed as it is. I called the sheriffs office today to see about being finger printed for an out-of-state permit. Never got through after 3 calls. They have a menu barrier in place that won't allow you access to their adm offices. They just give you the office hours and a bunch of other useless information. So much for community interaction.

 

[BK]

We tried Jensen's first. We were given several reasons why they didn't want to do it from "not enough money" (The law mandates a $10 fee-

Ah, roger that! I don't blame them a bit then.

Exactly why I'm no longer a transfer dealer. Now I'm back to trying to edge out those few bucks selling guns.

Still haven't made it over to Liberty yet, but I've only heard good things.

 

[Nom de Forum]

This is what happens when big city liberals use their money and influence in politics.

Man you sure have that right! Those guys are just as bad as small town conservatives when they use their money and influence in politics. The point being that the individuals inhabiting both extremes of politics use money and influence in politics that is detrimental to the rights of all people.

 

[Nom de Forum]

We got it done, my point overall was several businesses AND LE agencies seemed to NOT know, or be able to direct us to make a legal sale--including the agency responsible for background checks.

Despite the many victories nation wide for gun rights in recent years, I believe it is inevitable that nationwide private sales will be required by law to transfer through an FFL. I hope that by that time, when it will be required in my state, Colorado and other states serving as guinea pigs for this law will have found a way to make this as convenient and inexpensive as possible.

 

[CoalTrain49]

Despite the many victories nation wide for gun rights in recent years, I believe it is inevitable that nationwide private sales will be required by law to transfer through an FFL. I hope that by that time, when it will be required in my state, Colorado and other states serving as guinea pigs for this law will have found a way to make this as convenient and inexpensive as possible.

Unfortunately, I think you are 100% right. It keeps popping up every year and it's just a matter of time. I think we will have it here in Nov. for the first time. It's just another way for the bureaucrats to have more control over your life. It won't change any violent crime stats but the state will have a better handle on who has the guns. Here it will also generate revenue for the state because if a sale goes thru a FFL he has to collect the sales tax which is about 8.5%. We will also be required to fill out a state form if a handgun is purchased and that gun goes into a state database.

I've already got mind right about this. My gun buying days are over.

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Here it will also generate revenue for the state because if a sale goes thru a FFL he has to collect the sales tax which is about 8.5%.

I've never heard of this. Is this just in WA or all states where UBC are the law?