Full Auto Glock Conver...Legal?

[Offwhite]

I have seen a couple of semi-auto(3 rd burst) to full auto convertions for Glocks (and other handguns) and was wanting to see if they are legal or if anyone knows of any full auto handguns that are. I've shot full auto assault rifles and would like a full auto handgun just for something fun to shoot out on my parents farm (I know they have no real practical use).

 

[Werewolf]

Call your local ATF and ask them.

Be prepared to be told NO! And maybe even get a visit from our own Agent Schmukateli.

Going full auto means you've got a machine gun. No new machine guns allowed since 1986 as far as I know. A conversion might be an exception but I seriously doubt it because - well - hell, if conversions were legit and all ya had to pay was the $200 then we'd all have one.

 

[GunnySkox]

There are probably a few registered Beretta 93Rs and other machinepistols in existence, but unless you're a licensed manufacturer, the BATFE would have you by the cojones (with vice grips, no less) if you "manufactured" a new "machinegun" by putting one of those conversions into a glock, unless the conversion device is the actual registered machinegun (like those registered H&K sears/trigger packs), and even then, the conversion device would've had to have been manufactured and registered before 86.

~GnSx

 

[middy]

no, sorry, forget it.

 

[dasmi]

Nope.
coughATFAGENTcough

 

[Offwhite]

thanks I was just checking. If its illegal then..well its illegal. I was just curious, like I said i saw some clips on the net & thought it looked pretty badass, but never mind. I dont F with ATF and I'm not trying to go to prison.
(I hope by the cough you weren't insenuating that I am an agent-I manage apartments for a living, fun fun)

 

[phorvick]

Although full auto handguns are not US legal, in many States you are allowed to own machine guns assuming the $200+background check+gun-made-in-legal-time-frame etc is met. In Minnesota there are some 4000 or so legally owned machine guns. Some States do not allow them however.

Interestingly enough, in MN you can own a full auto gun, but not a silencer/supressor.

It is possible to rent many fully auto weapons at many public ranges....great fun...but can get ammo/expensive quickly!

 

[Offwhite]

Thats how I've shot machine guns (renting from a range). I dont own one currently but I think it would be fun to have just to go out & shoot every once in a while. Does anyone know about the laws in NC?

 

[Hkmp5sd]

Machineguns are legal in NC. Now all you need is $$$$. Basement prices are M10/M11 for around $3,000, Uzi for around $6,000, M16 or MP5 for $10,000 to $15,000.

 

[Pietro Beretta]

Ive always wanted a H&K MP5

 

[50 Freak]

Are you referring to that little metal plate/conversion peice you put on the back of a Glock to make it go auto?

I believe the guy that produces that lives in Argentina and although they may be legal there, they are not here in the US.

Besides, I read in Yahoo news about a year ago that Interpol busted him because he kept selling those peices to foreigners. Guess Interpol didn't like that.

 

[Offwhite]

Yeah thats what I was talking about but everyone said that it aint gonna happen Sucks too cause it looks like a blast to shoot. Found the guys who make it here in the states but they said they can't sell to any individual class 3 or not

go to:
www.fss-g.com

 

[sigstroker]

I've seen a transferable Beretta 93R for sale for $18,000.

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

the conversion backplate on the slide of the Glocks does exist but it is not civilian legal. it is considered a post-86 machine gun sear and is restricted to LE/government entities or to a Class III Dealer w/ a demo letter for demonstration purposes.

i have one in my inventory but it is not civilian legal. ATF defines anything that fires more than 1 round with a single pull of the trigger a machine gun. so "tri-burst" or even a 2-round burst firearm is considered a machine gun.

the only machine pistol i know of that is transferable in the NFRTR is the Beretta 93R, but there are probably only a handful, and like someone said, is extremely pricey, if you can even find one for sale.

 

[SnakeEater]

I have the book from Paladin Press that has all of the blueprints for the required parts. For educational purposes only of course. I've seen model cars that are more difficult to craft.

 

[Onslaught]

like I said i saw some clips on the net & thought it looked pretty badass, but never mind.

In all those videos, you will notice one of two things...

1. The shooter or shooters are older gentlemen with several full auto firearms laying on the shooting bench. They fire the full auto Glock and are very professional and quite accurate. These are most likely Class III dealers or manufacturers or the like. LEGAL.

2. Some skinny punk teenager wearing a bandana over his face and his goofy ballcap on sideways. He blasts through the entire magazine with the muzzle climbing the whole time, and then he hops around making some odd gestures with his hands and then profanely declares how "dope" that was. I don't think he hit the target at all. NOT LEGAL.

As already mentioned, there is NO way for ANY CIVILIAN in ANY STATE to own a full auto Glock because there were no full auto Glocks in this country and registered prior to 1986.

Class III dealers, manufacturers, LEO (with a lot of red tape) and the like could convert them as "sample" firearms, but not as "transferrable" ones.

 

[wrangler5]

FWIW, I had the opportunity a couple of weekends ago to shoot a number of machine guns, including a Glock 18 and an Uzi (suppressed, no less.) These were owned and provided by a Class III dealer. While shooting the G18 was an experience, if I were going to own a machine gun to shoot for fun I'd be much more likely to go for an Uzi than the Glock. They seem to still be available new (think I saw one new at a gun show last weekend) and are MUCH easier to hit things with - we were shooting at about 7-10 yards, and with the Glock you could spray but with the Uzi you could draw

Now, if I had about 7 grand for the gun plus a line of credit for the ammo . . .