g19 vs Walther 99
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sigarms228
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I like the Walther P99 AS better.
But I like my new Walter PPQ even better yet.
I do have a Glock 19 but it just collects dust theses days. It was always a good reliable pistol but the Walther PPQ outclasses it by a mile especially with the better grip and ergos but the PPQ trigger is amazing. There are quite of few members of the Walther forum that have well over 1000 rounds in their PPQ without a single issue. The Walther P99 AS has been around for quite a bit longer and has an outstanding record or reliability and durability.
But I like my new Walter PPQ even better yet.
I do have a Glock 19 but it just collects dust theses days. It was always a good reliable pistol but the Walther PPQ outclasses it by a mile especially with the better grip and ergos but the PPQ trigger is amazing. There are quite of few members of the Walther forum that have well over 1000 rounds in their PPQ without a single issue. The Walther P99 AS has been around for quite a bit longer and has an outstanding record or reliability and durability.
bigfatdave
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ergonomics, for me, prohibit Glocks ... on the other hand (NPI) Walther seems to make guns just for me and my mongo hands. The P99 is a good fit, but I'm more of a single-stack fan, so the PPS is the winner in compact, and the XD for larger sizes.
Get what fits your hand, everything else is secondary
Get what fits your hand, everything else is secondary
I am a Glock guy and always will be but I agree that the Walther PPQ is awesome and outglocks the glock trigger.
The glock is a partially cocked spring while the ppq is a fully cocked spring, so even though the pull weight is about the same it feels lighter and has a shorter reset.
As far as a P99 Its sa trigger is real good but the as trigger takes some getting used to. Personally I no longer have interest in a sa/da trigger for sd purposes, so of the two the G19 would be my choice.
Almost no guns parts are as available as a glocks! OEM or aftermarket are everywhere.
The P99 and PPQ are slightly bigger all around than the G19 but not by much, they are in the same size zone.
The glock is a partially cocked spring while the ppq is a fully cocked spring, so even though the pull weight is about the same it feels lighter and has a shorter reset.
As far as a P99 Its sa trigger is real good but the as trigger takes some getting used to. Personally I no longer have interest in a sa/da trigger for sd purposes, so of the two the G19 would be my choice.
Almost no guns parts are as available as a glocks! OEM or aftermarket are everywhere.
The P99 and PPQ are slightly bigger all around than the G19 but not by much, they are in the same size zone.
marine 97-03
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I say walther p99....but its a tough call
marine 97-03
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S&w made the sw99 a walther p99 made by smith so to say...when they decided to mkak the m&p they incorporated a lot of the sw99 (p99) into it walther has made some legendary 9mm like the p88 not that glock hasn't but walther just doesn't get the credit they deserve over here in the states.....just my .02$
777TRUTH
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Reliability = either
Accuracy = either
Ugly Award = Block on a stick
(subjective)
Ergonomics = Walther
Walther hands down.
Accuracy = either
Ugly Award = Block on a stick
(subjective)Ergonomics = Walther
Walther hands down.
777TRUTH
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IMO S&W still got it wrong
Hard choice, since you can't go wrong with either.
I've shot both, but personally, if I had to choose one, I'd go with the Glock. The ergos on the Walther are better (for ME), so it's the trigger, feels more like a SA gun, but the trigger travel feels longer to me in the Walther, but breaks cleaner than the Glock. I find the Glock easier to conceal, too, just for being a tad smaller when it comes to height.
I found both similarly accurate, but found the Walther snappier, requiring a bit more time to get sights back on target.
As it's always said, try'em both if you can, then decide.
I've shot both, but personally, if I had to choose one, I'd go with the Glock. The ergos on the Walther are better (for ME), so it's the trigger, feels more like a SA gun, but the trigger travel feels longer to me in the Walther, but breaks cleaner than the Glock. I find the Glock easier to conceal, too, just for being a tad smaller when it comes to height.
I found both similarly accurate, but found the Walther snappier, requiring a bit more time to get sights back on target.
As it's always said, try'em both if you can, then decide.
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I've been looking hard at a PPQ lately, I like the way it feels and the trigger reset is pretty short in comparison to any other striker fired pistols... the one thing that is hanging me up is the mag release. I'm used to training on the regular push button style release, and it would take me some serious practice to overcome that muscle memory... not to mention all my other guns are the regular release. So for me, I'd go with the 19 for what I'd use it for. Give them both a look, and shoot them both if you can and see what fits you better
Ghost Tracker
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You're picking the fly "scat" out of the pepper. Pick between 'em based on your own subjective evaluations. Because objective differences are tough to determine & impossible to defend. I EDC a G19...but a P99 would ride just as comfortably.
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over a G19 any day. More reliable, more accurate and better ergonomics. Now you dont have all the accessories and the like you do for Glock but Glocks have failed me at the wrong times. Walthers have always come through when my life and that of others depended on it.
I have over 10000 rounds through my current P99 w/o any issues. My previous P99 had many times that.
I have put over a 1000 rounds through both the G17 and G19 and the only thing they are good for is weights for crab traps or toilet tank.
over a G19 any day. More reliable, more accurate and better ergonomics. Now you dont have all the accessories and the like you do for Glock but Glocks have failed me at the wrong times. Walthers have always come through when my life and that of others depended on it.
I have over 10000 rounds through my current P99 w/o any issues. My previous P99 had many times that.
I have put over a 1000 rounds through both the G17 and G19 and the only thing they are good for is weights for crab traps or toilet tank.
I shoot a Glock-17, S&W-99, Walther P99QA and S&W M&P. All are equally reliable. I prefer the ergonomics of the S&W and Walther and the unique ambidextrous magazine release of the S&W99/Walther P99. As an aside the S&W99/WaltherP99 are surprisingly accurate for such short barreled pistols. If you plan to use lead bullets then the advantage goes to the S&W & Walther pistols which have conventional rifling.
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Yes there are differences in the P99 AS.
1st looks best. Came in limited QPQ and Titanium finishes too. QPQ was better of the two silver slides. 16 round mags that were hard to load to 16.
2-3rd remove the bump in the trigger guard while adding serrations to the slide that look less attractive. The slide probably is more functional on the near, but it looks less chic. Mags are 15. The James Bond P99's, Underworld blah blah are 1st generations for looks.
The P99 AS in SA has a lighter trigger by the way than the PPQ. I think the P99 AS is superior to the PPQ in trigger. Wish there was a P99AS with the PPQ grip.
Walther now has 17 round mags sold separately.
1st looks best. Came in limited QPQ and Titanium finishes too. QPQ was better of the two silver slides. 16 round mags that were hard to load to 16.
2-3rd remove the bump in the trigger guard while adding serrations to the slide that look less attractive. The slide probably is more functional on the near, but it looks less chic. Mags are 15. The James Bond P99's, Underworld blah blah are 1st generations for looks.
The P99 AS in SA has a lighter trigger by the way than the PPQ. I think the P99 AS is superior to the PPQ in trigger. Wish there was a P99AS with the PPQ grip.
Walther now has 17 round mags sold separately.
Walther P99 AS all day long. It's just a better pistol all around. It has better ergonomics, a better trigger, is more accurate, has better controls, has much better fit & finish, is more resistant to limp-wristing. Reliability is fantastic - easily equal to a Glock, and the P99 certainly doesn't have any of the Glocks's problems every time a new generation is introduced.
If you must have a Glock-style trigger, get the PPQ. It has all the goodness of a P99 with a trigger that operates much like a Glock (but is vastly smoother and crisper, with a fantastic reset.)
I had assumed more folks would vote for the Glock. It's just much more common, much more heavily marketed, and until recently, was much cheaper. It's interesting to see that almost every post here has recommended the Walther. It's nice to see these pistols finally getting the recognition they deserve.
If you must have a Glock-style trigger, get the PPQ. It has all the goodness of a P99 with a trigger that operates much like a Glock (but is vastly smoother and crisper, with a fantastic reset.)
I had assumed more folks would vote for the Glock. It's just much more common, much more heavily marketed, and until recently, was much cheaper. It's interesting to see that almost every post here has recommended the Walther. It's nice to see these pistols finally getting the recognition they deserve.
modifiedbrowning
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P99 for the win. I have two and they are my favorite polymer pistols.
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All should be as accurate, durable, and reliable as each other, but there were some changes in the rail, slide serrations, and the area on the frame around the thumbrest between the 1st (1996-2004) and 2nd (2004-) generations.
Here is a comparison on .40cal models of 1st and 2nd generation P99s and a PPQ. The first few photos will show the most notable changes between the generations. Note that the .40cal models on the P99 and PPQ pistols will have slightly longer slides and barrels than the 9mm versions, and on the P99, they will not have the scallops on the front of the slide in .40 like they do on the 9mm.
http://gforcefitness.us/walthercomp.htm
I'd prefer the P99 over the Glock 19 for the better grip and trigger, which I believe are the reasons the P99 shoots so much better in my hands.
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The P99 is nice, but I've been carrying a Glock too long to go back now. When it becomes and extension of you, that is the right one no matter what comes out. For me, it will always be Glocks and M4 carbines.
If you don't own a good carry piece, and folks on here and elsewhere say they are just as good as the Glock, then heed that advice plus find the one that fits you best, the one you are most comfortable with.
The Walther does indeed have a better feel, but I've got an early G17 that has had the snot fired out of it and it works like a charm. Oh yeah, and though I may not get to the range as much as I used to, when I do it gets about 500 rounds per session.
I'm hoping to break it so they'll give me a new one, but at the same time I'd hate to see that happen. Doesn't look likely at this point, as all that has been changed out is springs and a couple small parts (lots of springs).
If you don't own a good carry piece, and folks on here and elsewhere say they are just as good as the Glock, then heed that advice plus find the one that fits you best, the one you are most comfortable with.
The Walther does indeed have a better feel, but I've got an early G17 that has had the snot fired out of it and it works like a charm. Oh yeah, and though I may not get to the range as much as I used to, when I do it gets about 500 rounds per session.
I'm hoping to break it so they'll give me a new one, but at the same time I'd hate to see that happen. Doesn't look likely at this point, as all that has been changed out is springs and a couple small parts (lots of springs).
lexjj
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If you want a SA/DA gun, then the Walther P99AS is the only horse in the race (and it is pretty damned nice anyway).
Between a Glock 19 and Walther PPQ, I chose the PPQ.
I think the argument in some ways boils down to this: The PPQ is the better gun, but the Glock has better availability for basically everything.
Why I think the PPQ is a better gun:
1. The trigger is the best of any of the "safe action" style triggers out there, and is good enough that it rivals or surpasses the single action triggers of some 1911's and many da/sa guns. It is the best trigger because:
A. It is smooth
B. It is the lightest
C. It has the shortest reset (and is thus the fastest)
D. It has a comfortable curve to help your finger maximize the other qualities
2. The gun's ergonomics are fantastic. The Glock ergo's are typically love it or hate it. I am firmly in the hate it camp. That is preference, but I've never seen (or frankly read of) a person who held a PPQ and said, "the ergonomics suck."
A. Interchangeable backstraps that make noticeable changes in the gun's fit
B. Frantastic purchase on the frame because of the HK style texture
C. ambidextrous everything
D. The magazine release takes a little getting used to (I was because I have a P22), but once you do, I believe it is faster, easier, and more conducive to keeping a consistent grip
E. The slide serrations are useful
3. The guns are now equally priced (or the PPQ is cheaper). I paid $520 out the door. I have started seeing PPQ's for $480ish online. Glock Gen 4 is right in that neighborhood.
HOWEVER
There is no denying that the Glock has more aftermarket support, availability, and generally at a reduced price.
1. It looks like it is going to be hard to get Walther spare parts, and Glock parts are easy to get. Smith and Wesson does Walther's importing, and it looks like they hoard a lot of the spare parts.
2. Magazines for the Walther are ridiculous. They are hard to find, and are expensive. If you are the kind of guy who buys 10 magazines for every pistol he owns, then you can delete my argument that the Walther is cheaper. There are some workarounds on the Walther mags, but even those are still expensive.
3. Holster availability is definitely pro Glock. Every holster manufacturer makes like 3 models for a Glock 19. Manufacturers are starting to really jump on the PPQ...but still, even best case scenario, Glock 19 will rule.
4. Sights, barrels, other stuff...Definitely Glock.
So, obviously, even with those negatives, I came down on the side of the PPQ (and I will also someday own a P99AS), but that is basically how it broke down in my mind.
Between a Glock 19 and Walther PPQ, I chose the PPQ.
I think the argument in some ways boils down to this: The PPQ is the better gun, but the Glock has better availability for basically everything.
Why I think the PPQ is a better gun:
1. The trigger is the best of any of the "safe action" style triggers out there, and is good enough that it rivals or surpasses the single action triggers of some 1911's and many da/sa guns. It is the best trigger because:
A. It is smooth
B. It is the lightest
C. It has the shortest reset (and is thus the fastest)
D. It has a comfortable curve to help your finger maximize the other qualities
2. The gun's ergonomics are fantastic. The Glock ergo's are typically love it or hate it. I am firmly in the hate it camp. That is preference, but I've never seen (or frankly read of) a person who held a PPQ and said, "the ergonomics suck."
A. Interchangeable backstraps that make noticeable changes in the gun's fit
B. Frantastic purchase on the frame because of the HK style texture
C. ambidextrous everything
D. The magazine release takes a little getting used to (I was because I have a P22), but once you do, I believe it is faster, easier, and more conducive to keeping a consistent grip
E. The slide serrations are useful
3. The guns are now equally priced (or the PPQ is cheaper). I paid $520 out the door. I have started seeing PPQ's for $480ish online. Glock Gen 4 is right in that neighborhood.
HOWEVER
There is no denying that the Glock has more aftermarket support, availability, and generally at a reduced price.
1. It looks like it is going to be hard to get Walther spare parts, and Glock parts are easy to get. Smith and Wesson does Walther's importing, and it looks like they hoard a lot of the spare parts.
2. Magazines for the Walther are ridiculous. They are hard to find, and are expensive. If you are the kind of guy who buys 10 magazines for every pistol he owns, then you can delete my argument that the Walther is cheaper. There are some workarounds on the Walther mags, but even those are still expensive.
3. Holster availability is definitely pro Glock. Every holster manufacturer makes like 3 models for a Glock 19. Manufacturers are starting to really jump on the PPQ...but still, even best case scenario, Glock 19 will rule.
4. Sights, barrels, other stuff...Definitely Glock.
So, obviously, even with those negatives, I came down on the side of the PPQ (and I will also someday own a P99AS), but that is basically how it broke down in my mind.
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