G27 is NOT small enough!

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I'll second the suggestion of a Guardian. Fine pistols at a decent price.

Also second the suggestion that you learn to dress around your gun. My Guardian is either my SOL gun or my deep carry when I absolutely can't carry a full size pistol. Daily carry for me is a Ruger P345 .45ACP.
 
That's where I was at about two months ago.

HK USP Comp in .40 did the trick for me. Never regretted it, and I like the external safety for those rare occassions where I deem it necessary to carry. I use the Glock 22 for home defense only.
 
When I can't carry my .40/.45 I carry my P3AT. with the extended mag and the great TAP ammo I feel protected with 7+1 of 380.
 
How were you carrying the G27? Pocket carry? With a good belt and holster? IWB or OWB?

Was your problem the overall size, or the width of the G27?
 
I often carry a G33 that is similar to a G27 except for .357 sig round. I carry it two ways. One is a fanny pack which is not very concealed. The other way is with a clip. The gun is carried in the back over my right buttock with a safety block inserted behind to the trigger to prevent AD.
This requires a shirt that hangs out in the back and does not cling. A holster is too thick, but just the short glock and a metal clip that attaches to the rear of the slide is great. Your belt must be fairly tight and the gun does not fall out. Your body build is important. I can do martial arts workouts and it is retained 100%.

The only down side is that the draw is slower than it would be from a non-concealed holster, but hey first rule of gun fight is to have a gun. I am trying to get a keltec PF9 and see how that works.

The glock is better for me than the small revolver both for concealment and actually hitting what I aim at.
 
Thank you for the responses, experienced folks. I'm (currently) leaning towards Kahr, Walther or still Glock with Smartcarry. I'm not wedded to Glock like some folks are. So, I'm looking at all my options. Oh, yeah, Kel-Tec is not approved in Cali, and only NAA in .22 is approved. So, Kel-Tec and NAA won't get my business because they would be too hard to get legally.
 
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Definitely look at and fire your "final contenders" if you can before buying. What works for me may not work for you -- and vice versa. Try em out. Stick them in your pocket, or however you intend to carry, see how they feel.
 
The S&W 642/637/638 revolvers are hard to beat at about 15 oz and $350. Darn near rust-proof, too. The 642 is the gun I carry the most by far.

I also have a 2" Black Widow but almost never carry it. It isn't powerful enough to be reassuring, it has too many misfires (a problem with .22 ammo in general), it's too slow to reload to be enjoyable at the range, and it isn't big enough for the bad guy to notice that you're pointing a gun at him. :D
 
I used to carry the Glock 27 but I recently got a Walther PPKS and it's perfect with the IWB
 
I agree completely.. I bought my G27 then sold it shortly after. It's not big enough for a tactical/home defense/car gun and it's too fat and bulky feeling as a CCW. I won't carry anything from now on that isn't at least 9mm, 20oz or less empty, single stack, and thin. That's why I'm going to purchase a new Kahr pistol. I'm waiting until I can get my hands on one of the new PM45s that are supposed to be released this summer before I choose between that or just a PM9. I'm afraid of the .45 recoil in such a little platform, but the idea of it is awesome so I'm going to wait until i get some feedback on it.
 
CPshooter,

I bought my Kahr in April. I was tempted to wait for the PM45 to come out, but since this was my first pistol, I figured a 9mm was good enough/easier to start shooting with than a .45ACP.

Plus, the PM45 will still be bigger than the PM9 in both height and length, and I figured smaller was better. (I think it's 5.67" versus 5.3" respectively.) The PM45 will still be dwarfed by even the "smallest" Glock, though.
 
I'm considering picking up a Kahr PM9 some time down the road. If all works well, my primary carry will be a Smith & Wesson M&P Compact in 9mm using a Comp-Tac CTAC IWB holster.
 
Another vote for looking at the Seecamp, in either .32 or .380. No reason to not have a gun when you own one of these. Premium pricing, but if you're like lot of people, the price will become negligible if you can get one in your hands and feel how small/compact/high quality these guns are.

I absolutely cannot be seen with a gun; no matter how 'stealthy' an IWB holster may be, all it would take is one person to figure out what the tab is on a tuckable holster and I'd be screwed. Similarly, most small guns either are too heavy for pocket carry while wearing a suit, and print excessively under most medium-weight suit fabrics. The Seecamp is the only gun I've owned that I can carry in a pocket that dismisses these concerns.
 
The Kahr PM45, with it's smallest magazine, will have to give up a round like the PM40. The PM9 has 6 rounds (as opposed to 5) in it's smallest magazine, is lighter and smaller.
 
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Try a Kahr. I had trouble concealing most of the guns I had until I got my P9. I agree with your statement about the size of a handgun. Big guns are great but most of us realistically won't carry them if it is too inconvenient. So CCW does no good unless you get the right handgun.
 
If you want a small .40S&W, the Kahr PM40 is the way to go. Not only is the Kahr smaller in height and length, being a single stack it is also noticeably thinner than the Glock 27. Here is a photo of my Kahr PM40 and my Glock 27 so you can see the size difference yourself.

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Ok, I added the photo of the all of them back. I juust thought the top photo would be more helpful. And yes, the Kahr is the only gun I pocket carry. I haven't found anything that even comes close to what it has to offer in a pocket gun.

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Nice Zen! If I had the cash, I'd just go ahead and get all those. But then I wouldn't have started this wonderful thread...lol. It looks like your Kahr PM40 is the only one you're using for pocket carry.

Edit: Well, you changed the photo; the other photo showing all your CCP was informative as well but in a different way.
 
Get an HK p7

Very slim, hides well and is so freaking cool, the bad guys head just whirls around.

Its what I carry, whether in a shoulder rig or in IWB, it all rides the same.

Plus, its one of the safest guns to carry,... unless you be squeezin, you can't be shootin.
 
The Seecamp LWS-32CA & the Kahr Arms PM-9 are both on the CA approved list.

Even though, the Kel-Tecs, NAAs and other Seecamps are not on the approved list you can still aquire them legally in CA via PPT. So, look around for "used" versions for sale.

I would recommed the Kahr Arms PM-9, since it is thinner than the subcompact Glocks and in a larger caliber than traditional pocket/mouse guns.

Chances are the Kahr Arms PM-45 will not be CA apporved since it will not meet CA's requirement that a loaded chamber indicator & a magazine disconnect be a feature of all handguns submited for testing after 01-01-2007.
 
I found that the blockiness of the SC Glocks was the problem, not the size. I can conceal my M&P 9 compact (also available in 40S&W) much better than I could the G26 even though the M&P is technically bigger. Its edges are more rounded than the G26 or 27 and it feels smaller somehow.

My progression has been this. Got my CCP in October 06. I am 5'11" 180 lbs.
J-frame - 5 months
Guardian - 1 week (didn't work with my hands, great gun though)
S&W M&P 9 compact - 3 months - great gun, poked out a little with some t-shirts though
3" 1911 in 45acp - current

I can conceal the 1911 better than any of the above (aside from the 32) because it is thin.

I agree that you should not have to change your wardrobe to carry. I can wear most of my T shirts (some shrank while my gut got bigger) while carrying IWB @ 3:00. I have (8) 45acp's ready to rock with either a 7 round or 10 round reload without printing in a t shirt and shorts. When I say "not printing" I mean the guys at the local gun shop get surprised when I pull it out (my 1911). My buddy knew I was carrying it and couldn't tell me where it was..... etc.

The only things you do have to change are little things like, don't bend over, kneel - no open backed chairs - reach for over head objects with the hand that is opposite your firearm. Things like that will keep you from being "made". Which has never happened to me so far with anything I've carried BTW.
 
HK USP Comp in .40 did the trick for me.
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USP Compact .40 (or P2000) is no where near as small or concealable as a Glock 27. Heck, they are wider and taller than a G23. And they are far, far heavier. A P7 isn't small or light either, though it is farily narrow.

I can second the Smith single stack CS9s or 3913 (or similar models). That is a very flat, concealable pistol. Definitely heavier than a G26 though.

One of the real KEYS to concealing any pistol is a good belt. It should be reinforced, either with multiple layers of leather or with an insert and wider generally equals better. If you don't have a good belt, there is no way you can cinch your holster tight to your side. An IWB holster hides better... but forget re-holstering with most of them. For concealed carry by a normal person who will probably never have to draw the thing and certainly won't be reholstering and chasing bad guys, that is probably not a big issue.

I also had some success with using a belly band to hide a weapon under my shirt when I need to conceal a pistol under a shirt. I found that wearing it low (like at the belt line) with the weapon more or less halway tucked into the pants made for the best concealment and a somewhat normal draw (except for the ripping the shirt up part).

I will also agree with the guys who say that compacts are nearly as easy to conceal as subcompacts. You will have to change your wardrobe to some extent to carry a subcompact, and a good compact will fit under an untucked shirt just as easily.
 
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