G3/ HK91 Clone opinions needed, please

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Hi all. Ok time for my question of the day. Someone that I know is selling a G3/ HK91 clone made by Centry with HK parts. I comes with the black and wood furniture and 2 15 round mags (NJ legal). He said that it has about 50 rounds through it.

First what is a fair price for this rifle as described?

Next, what are your thoughts about these rifles? What could I expect as far as function, reliability, and accuracy? I would like to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly.

Thanks,

Fred
 
I'd be leery. Century has a pretty bad reputation when it comes to rifles assembled by Century, and you don't say where the receivers came from. There are some really questionable G3/HK91 type receivers out there. Some are supposedly unsafe (the cast ones, for example), and others may be safe but aren't made to specs and tolerances that allow them to use G3 parts. Finally, be aware that these rifles use a roller locked, delayed blowback action. Proper headspace is critical, and the right way to adjust it is by using the correct size rollers. Century in the past was known to set headspace on G3 and CETME type rifles by grinding the bolt instead of using the proper rollers, and this can lead to unsafe operation.

My suggestion -- find a good used PTR-91. I've seen them sell for $700-900. Here's one listed on Gunbroker with no reserve and a current high bid of $506.00: http://gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=78622262
 
FKB,

Thank you, that's the type of info that I was looking for. I don't know where the receiver came from, but I'll get all of that info. I hear a lot of good things about the PTR's.
 
Tread Carefully...

I have a lot of range time with a friend's PTR - it's been flawless when I've fired it and has given him zero issues for several thousand rounds. From a short distance, it's hard to tell his rifle from my original HK91. I have not heard glowing reviews on the Century HK clones and if you do a search, you'll likely find similar results. If you can get range time before you buy, it would be a good idea. If I recall correctly, the Century G3's were in the CETME ballpark, ($500.00).
 
If you are willing to work a bit on your rifle you might consider the Century. The issues have already been outlined above. I lucked out and got a good one and have replaced parts to make sure that it stays good. A person with average mechanical skills along with the knowledge militaryfirearm.com can make a go of it, but, you may be in for a project. If you do go with a Century do not buy a first generation rifle. Read up on it first.

For a sure bet go with the PTR91. I have one and the gun is wonderful.
 
I owned a Century G3 that I purchased back in 2002 (back when they were $299). I was lucky in that I was able to inspect it first. It ran fine and was reasonably accurate. Many others I knew didn't have that same kind of luck...canted sights, ground bolts, magwells out of spec, poor reliability, FTF/FTE, etc.

While mine worked ok, it wasn't "endearing" to me. I thought it was because I didn't like the HK ergonomics (which really aren't the best). So I sold it and thought I would never own another.

That said, I recently bought a PTR91 on a whim...and because I found a good deal. WOW...night and day difference from the Century. "Crisp" is the best way to describe it...fit and finish is excellent, parts are clean, welds are straight and even. All in all...it is more endearing. If I were you, I'd hold out and buy the PTR...save yourself the hassle and aggrevation.

Will it replace my love of FALs? Nah...but it will stay in my stable.

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Well, I don't know what kris paid for his SA58 and PTR-91, but I know what I paid for mine (pictured here with my Arsenal SAM-7S):

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Were they "pricey"? Yes, compared to cheaper variants like Century guns. No, compared to real Belgian FN FAL's and HK91's. And no, compared to lots of other similar rifles. I paid $700 for my PTR-91, $1400 for my SA58 Para, and $400 for my Arsenal. I consider all three to have been great values, and well worth the slight premium over vastly inferior guns such as Century's, Romy AK's, etc.
 
I personally inspected several G3 clone rifles over a period of time and finally selected a PTR-91 because I was, and still am, unwilling to pay what the market wants for a genuine H&K M91.
I do not regret the decision.

As for the Century, if it is in the $400-$500 dollar range it may be worth buying, but I wouldn't go any more dollar wise for it.
 
i bought mine about 3 years ago for 450. its been great, and i have no regrets. its a century g3 and it functions perfectly (approx 2500 rds). some say its hit and miss. had i known that, i probably wouldnt have risked it. im satisfied w/ mine.
 
I paid $1100 for my PTR91 from JLD 2 years ago, and I would consider it money well spent. I shot my buddy's Century next to my JLD, and was sold on my own... probably my favorite taget rifle.
 
Sorry, TOU, but SnakeEater is right. I bought mine about two years ago, and it wasn't new when I bought it. Mine is a very early one, evidenced by the lack of a flash hider (the Clinton AWB was still in effect when it was made) and the polygonal rifled barrel. I knew even then that I had found a good deal, because the package included 1,000 rounds of Argentine 7.62x51 and a half dozen mags.

I don't buy many new firearms. Instead, I decide what I want, put the cash aside, and wait for the right deal to come along. My Arsenal was also a smokin' deal at $395, considering milled Arsenals sell for $1,000 and up these days. I stumbled on it in a gun shop I used to frequent in Tennessee. It was "used", but you'd never know it. I doubt it had ever been fired. Again, it's a "ban era" model, so it has a pinned on muzzle brake instead of a flash hider, and no bayonet lug. I'm quite willing to do without a flash hider and bayonet lug if it means I can have a high quality rifle at a 50% discount.

You could say that I've been lucky. As my dad says, though, "luck is just the intersection of preparation and opportunity." Know what you want, be prepared to buy when you find it, and keep your eyes and ears open. The deals are out there if you look for them.

Even if you pay retail for a new PTR-91, though, I consider them to be good values. A genuine Heckler & Koch model 91 sells for $2,500 to $4,000 depending on condition, features, importer, accessories, etc. A brand new PTR-91 is arguably just as good a rifle and will cost one half to one third the cost of the HK91.
 
If you are willing to do your homework, you *can* find decent CAI-assembled CETME rifles. They generally run about half the cost of a PTR-91; you'll have to decide if the cost delta is worth the extra effort.

I have two CAI CETMEs. I inspected the bolt and checked the bolt gap prior to purchasing them, and they've both served me well.
 
Sarco used to sell the PTR91's. I don't know if they still have the same pricing.

I got my PTR used in a deal with a case of SA ammo, a spare stock set, and some mags. Right now, that spare case of ammo makes that deal look pretty dang good. The rifle functions great. It kicks pretty good compared to an M1A though.
 
I have both a century cetme and a ptr91.
I bought the cetme first for ~$300 and it's been okay, picky on the mags. The barrel is a bit questionable, when it cycles it feels loose.

One day when I went out shooting a guy let me fire his decomissioned police sniper G3. Night and day with the cetme. The g3 was so smooth. Charging was smooth, trigger was smooth, cycling smooth. I forgot to ask what the officer changed over to, or if he just needed the money (I think the guy forked over 7k for rifle with scope).

I got hooked up then with a ptr91 for $600. Very pretty, also smooth. Yeah, it's still not to the level of that sniper setup, but it's close, the cycling is good. Comparatively cetme way below ptr91 little below real g3.

Bad thing about the G3 pattern, they're a pain to clean. I'd love to see a 308 built on an ar18 style system.

Now the sad thing is that my ptr91 is so nice and pretty i'm afraid to fire it often, so the cetme ends up taking a lot of the beating. Of course I also have a 308 saiga and that's also pretty nice...
 
I really like my PTR91. It shoots very very well. I made some changes for the sake of ergonomics, and now it is my favorite rifle.

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Be careful of the 10+ year old CETMEs that Century cobbed together, as it is a real crapshoot what you get with them.
 
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