Garand vs. AR

AR15 vs. M1 Garand

  • AR15

    Votes: 151 44.8%
  • M1 Garand

    Votes: 186 55.2%

  • Total voters
    337
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Elmer Fudd,
The garand can take a 178 gr bullet just fine. It is what was shot out of the garand for matches. My lake city match is 178 gr. I think the limit is actually 180 gr, not 150. Heck, I think the m2 ball that it shot was heavier than 150.
 
The M-1, side by side with an AR, sure----TAKE the AR if your training and experience dictates. THAT will make the choice easy for you.

But...Round-for-round, the M-1 will best the AR *IF* you are willing to trade off the several advantages the AR holds.

In terms of reliability under adverse conditions my money goes on an M-1from the coldest to the hotest places on earth. On *the worst* day you have a straight-pull bolt gun that will punch clean through 1/2" of mild plate steel with plain jane ball ammo.

My opinion--worth what it costs.
 
I would vote for the M14/M1A over both the Garand and AR. I packed all three at one time or another in my military days and the M14 would still be my choice for an all around battle rifle. Although I still like to shoot my ARs.
 
The Garand is for old geezers and people who wish they were old geezers. A bygone rifle for a bygone time. There's a reason the US Military doesn't issue them anymore, and it's a damn good one.
 
Thermactor The Garand is for old geezers and people who wish they were old geezers. A bygone rifle for a bygone time.
There's a reason the US Military doesn't issue them anymore, and it's a damn good one.

I think we all want to become and old geezer some day, I know I do ;)



True, the Army no longer issues the M1 Garand, but they do continue to issue it's replacement... the beloved M14 :evil:
 
True, the Army no longer issues the M1 Garand, but they do continue to issue it's replacement... the beloved M14

and in the interest of progress, they also continue to issue the M14's replacement

just for perspective :p
 
I go for the M 1 bec it shoots a respectable round that reaches out and touches . Im getting to be an old geezard . It s heavy but I like it that way.
 
I have a glass-bedded Garand and a newish Colt AR. Even with trifocals and old-age eyes, I can get just inside of 2 MOA with either.

But 95% of my rifle shooting is with a scoped bolt action.

:D:D:D
 
The Garand is for old geezers and people who wish they were old geezers. A bygone rifle for a bygone time.


Yeh, I guess you're right after all. We've ALL been so misguided all this time.
Thanks for setting us straight about thinngs.
 
I think the Garand is a wonderful piece of history, but not the most practical all around rifle. Ever tried carrying one all day while hunting? How about clearing a house with a Garand?

While I don't do it plenty of people shoot deer with the .223, well placed shots at reasonable ranges with a 60 gr. Partition or the 53 gr. TSX do the job. One of the guys hunting with us last week used his CZ in .223, with shots just behind the ear, to take an 8 point and a 10 point.
 
"Dumbest thread ever" was a bit harsh. I apologize.

It is a dumb thread. I poorly wrote it without any real context. My thought behind this was what are people's opinions, keep the AR or trade it for a Garand.

That said, THR came through and gave this a life of its own. In one corner, you have those who say leave the history in the past which is a valid argument. In the other corner, there are those that say history means nothing if you don't keep it fresh in everyone mind. Then of course you have the people in the stands screaming for a new champion (M14).

I'm keeping the AR and maybe I'll get a Garand in the future. I've regretted trading every gun in the past so I'll try something new and hang on to it.

Thanks everyone.
 
Apples and oranges.

The rifles serve different purposes. the rifles have different histories. The rifles fill very different niches, practically, politically, and ballistically.

It's like asking me "Honda Accord, or Honda Valkyrie?"

I dunno, dude. Do you want a motorcycle or not?

Mike

ETA: I own both.
This. To the letter.
 
On the pro's for the AR, you forgot adaptability. It is like a Lego set that shoots bullets. You can customize it to you for everything from stock size, barrell length, caliber, grips, forearms, accessories, optics, etc... You can make an AR into anything that you want.
 
I've had both and dearly love both. The Garand is just to heavy for me to carry deer hunting and has drawbacks concerning scope and bullets choices.
Yet it is a very effective rifle with the most effective hunting round and fun to shoot. I last used my AR15 for deer hunting and made a one shot kill on a 240 lb buck. To me, it is the AR15.
Neither is wrong unless your state doesn't allow one or both. The AR is a better round and rifle than many give it credit for, but it's hard to argue against a Garand. The Garand probably is the most significant battle rifle in history as it was a major factor in WW2.
I don't think it is a dumb question at all.
 
Keep both. At all costs. You have two kidneys, right? Do you really need both of those? Or did you figure that out previously? :neener:

I have an AR, as I figured it's modular design would be a big plus for me later ... assuming upper receivers and other components are not banned by Fedzilla :fire:.

I have loads of respect though for the M1. And prices may well rise the way the 03A3 did. I'd love to own an M1 one day, I don't envy your choice.
 
the garand may be an old geezers rifle, but im alot younger than most of you and i would take a garand over any other gun i have, it shoots a powerful round and is very accurate at ranges far beyond what you can see with iron sights. but, a replica stg44 is also an awesome gun:)
 
I'd like to try the 'Mini G' that is a newcomer in the Garand world. A $500 modification, it produces am M-1 the length of a M-1 Carbine. I'd like to see one in a synthetic stock with a rail...

For MANY legal and political reasons, the M-1 travels well over THE WHOLE of the US and Canada---into places an AR can't be lawfully taken.

You CAN register on in Chi for heavans sake; and in Canada it is exempted (with the SMLE) from the '5 round' rule and may be loaded with 8 rounds----making it a logical choice over just about EVERYTHING.

But this jazz is really, for me, secondary to the incredible differential in round-for-round firepower that an M-1 has over an AR (in .223, mind you).

Yes it's heavy---but only a pound or so over a full-length A2---and it is only a shade longer.
 
I just made this same choice last week. In light of the elections & my pocketbook, I figured there would be no better time than the present to get a semi-auto rifle. I could think of 4 or 5 reasons I might want or need one... plus I may think of more reasons after it's too late ;) Here were the pros and cons for me:

AR - Pros
1. More likely to be banned than the Garand
2. 12 years (and counting) in the Army makes me comfortable with handling
3. Assumedly widespread availability of ammo for the foreseeable future
4. High capacity, detachable mags
5. Modular

AR - Cons
1. Smaller caliber
2. Doesn't perform well dirty (as I found out in Iraq)
3. Expensive

Garand - Pros
1. Battle tested/proven in severe environments worldwide
2. Larger Caliber
3. Relatively inexpensive (through CMP)
4. History, beauty, etc

Garand - Cons
1. Heavy & long
2. Clips vs. Magazine (a con mostly because of capacity)
3. Cost of ammo (non-milsurp)

In the end, I chose the Garand for the following reasons:

In caliber, .30-06 trumps .223 because: 1. penetrating power through ______ (fill in the blank) and 2. the minimum caliber for deer hunting in KS is .243 (and I would like to hunt with it). There are a lot of good arguments on both sides as far as capability of the two calibers against human threats, so that didn't really play a part in my decision. They have both been effective in combat.

Concerning the round capacity... I justified going with 8 rounds vs. 20 (or 30) rounds because I figured that if I have to use it for armed defense, I will likely be defending my street corner or something like that... not clearing houses, reacting to ambush, etc. For home defense (i.e. inside the house), I have a shotgun (handguns as backup). When guarding a "checkpoint" (read "neighborhood", in the case of a Katrina / LA riot scenario), eight .30-06 rounds through an engine block should be plenty to stop an attaching party & surviving general melee. Bottom line, I think 8 round en-bloc clips are sufficient for defensive applications. Obviously, in an offensive urban scenario, my choice might be different... I just don't envision myself in that scenario in my civilian capacity.

I know the likely soon-to-be AWB is more likely to effect AR's, but since I'm limited right now to picking only one, I think the Garand will fill most of my requirements (except "plinking" perhaps... but that's what 22LR is for). Also, even if the next AWB doesn't target Garands, there's not an unlimited supply. Sooner or later, CMP will run out. I've also heard that in the mid 80's, you could get a Garand from CMP for $200... now, a SG M1 is $600. At that rate, in 20 years it will be $1800 even if they do have an inexhaustible supply.

I'm not familiar with the Garands shooting capabilities while dirty, but I know it worked well enough in the waters and sand of Normandy & Iwa Jima, the snows and cold of Korea, etc. etc. I also know from personal experience that it took a lot of time and cleaning to maintain an M4 in the dust and sand of the Middle East & North Africa. Worse case scenario, the M1 is just as prone to stoppages and they are even. Best case, I guess, is that the M1 is a little better.

My bolt action hunting rifle is .30-06, so that's one less caliber I have to stock (especially with an adjustable gas plug).

Ok, didn't mean to write a book. This is the reasoning I used to eventually decide on the Garand. Of course, I would like an AR or two (or a dozen) ideally, especially since that is the platform for which I've received the most training but tough times call for tough choices...
 
I own and love my AR but voted Garand. 1) it's a piece of history that I would do bad things for, and 2) if you're confident enough with your SKS, there's no reason to have both an AR and an SKS for the same purpose.

So I guess my vote was completely swayed by the cool Garand-factor.
 
I personally refuse to own a .223 rifle period. I have no use for it, especially when there are better calibers and platforms out there.
I currently own an SLR-95, an M1 Garand and an M1A, I do not see a need for anything else, especially a .223.
 
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