Gatling guns guard Calif. nuclear lab

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LIVERMORE, Calif. (AP) - Officials at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory have added a new weapon to their armory: a high-powered machine gun that can fire more than 50 rounds a second.
The weapon, unveiled Thursday, is a six-barrel Gatling gun called the Dillon Aero M134D. An undisclosed number of the guns will be mounted on vehicles and elsewhere at the lab.

"What we want to do is equip our protective force with the capability that will leave no doubt about the outcome," said Linton Brooks, head of the National Nuclear Security Administration.

Lab critics questioned the wisdom of putting such a powerful gun at the lab, which is across the street from suburban homes. They say the real problem is that the lab site, which is relatively small at 1 square mile, is not a good place for nuclear materials.

"If you don't have the firepower, that's one kind of security weakness, but if you do have the firepower, you potentially endanger nearby workers and community members because it's such a compact site," said Marylia Kelley, executive director of Tri-Valley CARES, a Livermore-based activist group.

Lab spokeswoman Susan Houghton said the guns add "one more layer of protection."

The 8,000-employee lab is 50 miles east of San Francisco.
 
As much as the gear sounds incredibly cool, the phrases "nuclear lab" and "across the street from suburban homes" sound bad together.

I'm no anti-nuke protestor, but you'd think a little bit of standoff distance would be advisable in such a facility. A few hundred meters of cleared ground won't save the locals from any unpleasant nuke event, but it'll give you valuable seconds to see trouble coming, as opposed to the three seconds it takes someone to sprint across the street.

-MV
 
There is nothing in that lab that poses a nuclear threat. I grew up in that area, have friends that work there...they are all egghead geniuses doing research and experiments...electrical engineers, atomic engineers, most are not allowed to discuss it, yet they are all civilians, not military. Some of the world's best non-weapons technology comes from that place, look it up, you'll find it interesting. You'll also be happy to know that Stanford University has a particle accelerator, know what those do? They smash atoms together at the speed of light. There are so many defense research places in the Bay Area, hell, CA for that matter, it baffles the mind.
 
Sorry...another thread on this already! (see Gatling...)

CNN

(Article at CNN has photo):
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/02/lab.defense.ap/index.html

California nuclear lab brings out the big guns

Defense system now includes 6-barrel Gatling machine guns

LIVERMORE, California (AP) -- Officials at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory have added a new weapon to their armory: a high-powered machine gun that can fire more than 50 rounds per second.

The weapon, unveiled Thursday, is a six-barrel Gatling gun called the Dillon Aero M134D. An undisclosed number of the guns will be mounted on vehicles and elsewhere at the lab.

"What we want to do is equip our protective force with the capability that will leave no doubt about the outcome," said Linton Brooks, head of the National Nuclear Security Administration.

Lab critics questioned the wisdom of putting such powerful guns at the lab, which is across the street from suburban homes. They say the real problem is that the lab site, which is relatively small at 1 square mile, is not a good place for nuclear materials.

"If you don't have the firepower, that's one kind of security weakness, but if you do have the firepower, you potentially endanger nearby workers and community members because it's such a compact site," said Marylia Kelley, executive director of Tri-Valley CARES, a Livermore-based activist group.

Lab spokeswoman Susan Houghton said the guns add "one more layer of protection."

The 8,000-employee lab is 50 miles east of San Francisco.

Copyright 2006 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
 
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Hooray for Dillon, Protecting our butts. Ya,all can make some brass with this baby.
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...Note to self: cut the power drop to the building before invading with my army of cloned mutants.... Better yet, use a truck-portable EMP device to wipe out all electrical and electronic devices in the target area.

Those are cute guns but they are electrically powered. Blow one fuse and all you have is a big lump of steel that can't even be used as a club.

I'd rather see the Atomic Police with BARs, if they're in need of serious firepower. Probably issue 2 or 3 for well under the price of a single Dillon Aero.

--Herself
 
Uhhhh....seems to me that one well placed shot from a sniper would neutralize the mini-gun (or it's operator)

Doesn't take a thousand rounds. Only takes one. I'd question the wisdom of spraying that kind of weapon in a residental area.
 
The Dillon Aero site has a page for "battery". I'd suspect there's a little backup there. No microchips either, wouldn't a big 'ol Maytag motor take an EMP right in stride?
 
If you think that is impressive, you ought to see Mr. Dillon's personal collection of fine assorted machine guns!!! That is what he developed his reloading equipment for in the first place.:)
 
My brother works there. Didn't know it was that important a place. I'll see if he can shed some light on the matter and post info if I can.

If this is a unique security measure not found at other high threat sites, one can assume this is reaction to a particular intelligence assessment.
 
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Poppycock...make mine a REAL G-gun in .45-70!

That thing looks like a toy! It must shoot BBs! Give me a big ole' honkin' piece of .45 caliber lead lobbing down range. :D You see, the problem with this is that it leads to wasting ammo. and it leads to military unemployment. For the same cost you could probably employ 3 snipers and NOT endanger the local community. It looks cool, but it also makes me think just another governmental waste, like those $700.00 toilet seats.

Doc2005
 
Well, knowing what the things cost, and knowing that if they're ever deployed, there's gonna be a BUNCH of kindling in the neighborhood...

I think they made the wrong choice. Those are NOT precision weapons. Those are AREA weapons. Those folks would be better off with more cameras, more training, and "conventional" weapons.

Guys, this is our tax dollars spent on "homeland security" by whoever the location's security weenie with a Rambo complex is...
 
I think so. I remember a dillon cover with some babe buried in a mound of 7.62 brass. Also these are avionics system and can be run on two marine batteries, so cutting the power would not disable them. Truck portable emp's well... thats matrix stuff for now.

And Bogie, I think your right.
 
Soo... is this the new fashion statement in homeland security?

I dont think all those senators are going to settle for mp5's and m16's when the folks next door got themselves a minigun :rolleyes:
 
Just speaking off the top of my head, but it kinda sounds like they heard about a potential threat and decided that publically placing these guns would make the lab a less attractive target. Can't think of another reason for publically discussing security arrangements.

Tex
 
Won't take up space with the full article, but the SF Chronicle Science Editor says:

"Known as Gatling guns because they are multi-barreled, like their 19th-century ancestors, they simultaneously fire 7.62mm bullets from six barrels at up to 4,000 rounds per minute..."

"some mounted on vehicles and others at undisclosed fixed locations, but for security reasons declined to say exactly how many or when"

"Until now, the most lethal weapons known to be used by the lab's notoriously no-nonsense guards are the big, black high-powered rifles they display prominently at its several gates."

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/02/03/MNGR9H2AM71.DTL

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Even if the guns aren't the best or most useful for the purpose, I'm glad Dillon got the money for them. There was a video circulating the net a bout a year ago showing Dillons guns being fired from helicoptors- very very cool stuff.
 
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