Getting back grandpas gun

[GravelRider]

We all have to experiment from time to time, now a .270 in a 30-30, I'll leave that to other folks. I did shoot a few .40 S&W rounds through a G20 10mm once, just to see and it went well. Put them all in the center of my target and no damage to the gun that I could observe.

I've also had some lil homemade cannons that might not have been the wisest to fool around with but I was in my late teens and was bored so...... still have all my digits. Not like a neighbor down the road who had to be airlifted because he liked to make pipe bombs and set em off. Same guy who walked around town for about a month with a huge bandage/cast arrangement that looked like a giant pamper because he was drunk as a skunk and walked into his house, dropped trou and confused his piping hot wood stove with the john, 3rd degree burns and a few skin graphs later......

this is the rough equivalent of shooting .38 Specials in a .357 chamber and is completely safe as long as your extractor is functioning.

At first glance, this makes sense. However, this actually isn't equivalent to shooting .38 specials out of a .357 mag chamber. The difference lies in how the rounds headspace. A 38 and 357 headspace off the rim, so there are no issues. A 40 S&W and 10 mm headspace off the case mouth. If a .40 is put into a 10 mm chamber, the case mouth will never reach the beginning of the chamber and will be forced to headspace off the extractor. You can probably get away with doing this a few times, maybe even a lot of times, but you'll eventually do damage. I would not recommend for others to try firing a 40 S&W out of a 10 mm gun.

 

[jmr40]

People have been shooting 40S&W through 10mm Glocks for a long time and I've yet to hear of any damage. I can't say for sure about other brands of pistols. I've shot quite a few. Accuracy and POI are no different.

I could see how a shorter cartridge could be forced into a longer chamber and fired. A game warden friend of mine once arrested someone who tried to night shoot a deer. The guy had fired a 35 Rem cartridge in a 7mm Rem mag and didn't blow up the rifle. I wouldn't want to be the next person to fire it even with the right cartridge. As impossible as that sounds I consider the source reliable. I don't see any way to force a much longer 270 into a 30-30 chamber.

To the OP.

It appears this rifle is something your grandpa owned briefly and that he had no attachment to. If it had been a beloved gun that he had owned, cared for, and used for years then I might pay whatever I had to pay to get it back. But I just don't see any reason for sentimental attachment in this case.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

So does anyone think it would be worth it? Could the weapon have been repaired? Or has it been getting passed around all these years because it's junk? Also is that price unreasonable? I just don't want to shell out money for something that don't work even if it is Sentimental

The value is in the sentiment and the cost has to be weighed against your financial standing and duties/responsibilities to you and your family.

Which means only YOU can answer these questions, not us.

If YOU place a high value on the sentiment and paying that price will not jeopardize your ability to meet your other financial obligations, then who are we or anybody else to gainsay that?

 

[Sniper66]

Only you can assess personal value. Your description however, doesn't sound like the rifle has much value for you.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

I think you are more sentimental then you lead on to being. Which is not a bad thing.

Agreed, however, that can go too far as well. I'm a perfect example. I can assign sentimental value to almost anything. It can be debilitating lol.

 

[D.B. Cooper]

None taken. I know a guy that made a barrel insert for his 12 gauge so he could use .209 primers to fire steel BBs threw it. Same lunatic once blew his thumb off with a home made fire cracker made from a .30-06 case and he also rams short arrows down the barrel and into the chamber of a cap an ball revolver to shoot them. He is a childhood friend of my father

There is a guy like that in every generation in every rural town. It could be worse in your case, at least you weren't firing 50 BMG SLAP rounds in a home made zip gun.

Did I just go there? Yes I did.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

I'd believe shooting .25-35 in a .
30-30

 

[KY DAN]

Normally I am a stick in the mud....... but I get guns.

My grandfather taught me to shoot a Remington 510 target master single shot 22 and it was stolen from his home during a burglary in 2018 orchestrated by a handy man who had worked for him for 1 year but had gotten on meth and a 88 year old man's house who was away from home was easy pickings. I don't care what it would cost I would buy that rifle. I just like that rifle

If anyone wants to pool some money for this endeavor I will chip in for the cause.

 

[Paul R Zartman]

If anyone wants to pool some money for this endeavor I will chip in for the cause.

I'm in too...let me know

 

[GravelRider]

People have been shooting 40S&W through 10mm Glocks for a long time and I've yet to hear of any damage. I can't say for sure about other brands of pistols. I've shot quite a few. Accuracy and POI are no different.

I could see how a shorter cartridge could be forced into a longer chamber and fired. A game warden friend of mine once arrested someone who tried to night shoot a deer. The guy had fired a 35 Rem cartridge in a 7mm Rem mag and didn't blow up the rifle. I wouldn't want to be the next person to fire it even with the right cartridge. As impossible as that sounds I consider the source reliable. I don't see any way to force a much longer 270 into a 30-30 chamber.

To the OP.

It appears this rifle is something your grandpa owned briefly and that he had no attachment to. If it had been a beloved gun that he had owned, cared for, and used for years then I might pay whatever I had to pay to get it back. But I just don't see any reason for sentimental attachment in this case.

If that's what you want to do with your guns, by all means do it. Personally, I'll stick with shooting a 40 out of a 40.

 

[Appalachiannative]

Thanks so much for the offers to help but I don't think it's still there. I didn't specify exactly how long it's been since dad saw the thing. It's been long enough now that it probably isn't there. I suppose I was just venting about the whole thing. You guys are all so very nice on here.

 

[Appalachiannative]

Then we have different definitions of "Monte Carlo" or have seen a whole different bunch of Marlins.

I thought that was the one that has a curve like a revolver grip in the place your hand goes. We have funny terminology for things around here. I had to learn the proper names for fishing lures to be able to order them on line. Mountain people say everything wrong. For example what I always called a "plug" is actually a "crank bait" so maybe I do have a different definition of Monte Carlo stock

 

[Bazoo]

Monte Carlo stock is a raised cheek piece like a marlin 60 has. The curved grip is a pistol grip stock as opposed to the straight stock on a winchester 94 carbine.

And, Appalachia, if'n you do get the chance, I'll donate a few bucks to help too. Not enough sentiment in this world.

Merry Christmas.

 

[Appalachiannative]

Monte Carlo stock is a raised cheek piece like a marlin 60 has. The curved grip is a pistol grip stock as opposed to the straight stock on a winchester 94 carbine.

And, Appalachia, if'n you do get the chance, I'll donate a few bucks to help too. Not enough sentiment in this world.

Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas to you too. Thankyou for the offer and for clearing that up about the stock. I don't like that cheek pad thing either the straight stock is more my style too

 

[Bazoo]

I didn't like the look of the pistol grip much myself... But it sure is comfortable when shooting.

 

[Appalachiannative]

I didn't like the look of the pistol grip much myself... But it sure is comfortable when shooting.

I have a side by side shotgun with a straight stock and I always found it more comfortable than my wingmaster with the pistol grip stock but my single shot with the pistol grip has become my favorite. Go figure

 

[Carl N. Brown]

... so maybe I do have a different definition of Monte Carlo stock

I always read "Monte Carlo" stock as having a raised comb cheekpiece to position your head for high scope mounts.

I have seen monte carlo cheek pieces on stocks with straight wrists (like Marlin .444) and with pistol grips like the LeeEnfield sporter above.

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

I always read "Monte Carlo" stock as having a raised comb cheekpiece to position your head for high scope mounts.
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I have seen monte carlo cheek pieces on stocks with straight wrists (like Marlin .444) and with pistol grips like the LeeEnfield sporter above.

Yes.

And they suck for iron sight use.

 

[Shooter101]

Get or make a dummy round and try loading it to see if it chambers,the make up your mind

 

[Slamfire]

I could see how a shorter cartridge could be forced into a longer chamber and fired. A game warden friend of mine once arrested someone who tried to night shoot a deer. The guy had fired a 35 Rem cartridge in a 7mm Rem mag and didn't blow up the rifle. I wouldn't want to be the next person to fire it even with the right cartridge. As impossible as that sounds I consider the source reliable. I don't see any way to force a much longer 270 into a 30-30 chamber.
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I am going to say, never say never. Fools can be very clever. Block of wood, beating on the rear of the bolt, lots of free bore......

a 303 British round in a 7mm Remington magnum



I am sure someone has a tale of an impossible combination of chamber and cartridge blowup.

 

[SwampWolf]

Ain't no way a 270 will go into a 30-30 chamber.

You're just not being inventive enough. With a mallet, a shoe horn, a pry bar, some elbow grease and a little ingenuity, you can get almost any square thing to fit into almost any round thing.

 

[SwampWolf]

I've never seen a Marlin lever action with any style of stock but monte Carlo

A Monte Carlo stock on a Marlin lever-action rifle is atypical, to say the least. The Model 62 and the Model 444 Sporter are the only two to come to mind at the moment; there's probably a couple or three more that were produced but not many.

 

[JTHunter]

Sadly, there is one thing nobody has mentioned - or I missed it.
Whatever mistaken cartridge was put in this .30-30, I would be very concerned that the throat and chamber may have been "over pressured", maybe seriously so.
If Appalachiannative is able to re-acquire this gun (and I hope he can), PLEASE have that chamber inspected, unless you plan on just making it a "wall ornament". You can always have the chamber checked later at a more convenient time but you have to get Grandpa's gun back first. Owning several inherited guns from both Dad and Granddad, I agree with your desire !!
Good luck!

 

[FROGO207]

That rifle aside, I would ask at that and any other local gun shops and see if they had any other firearms go through them with that distinctive mark. You might find others that the owners are willing to part with if you want to go that route.

 

[gobsauce]

All my inherited guns are disappointing.

A Marlin 60 that I think I fixed, but just haven't gotten around to it out of disappointment.

A S&W model 10-5 that was given to be because "old guns are garbage". It's a good gun, I love it, but the feeling of " aw man, I was given the runt".

And as soon as my grandad dies, I getting a sub 200$ Mauser which we don't even know what it's chambered in.

I'm clearly the favorite, I'm not getting his NIB mag fed Remington 870 or his .22 1911. No no, I like old guns, so I get the "garbage".