Ginex SPP Initial Impression

[peeplwtchr]

Hi All-

As many of you know. Ginex primers from Bosnia are beginning to hit the U.S.. I just scored some for the first time. In this time of "Buy what you can get", I wanted to share an observation. I have loaded 9mm with 300 Ginex, and they are about 2-3 times harder to seat, using a Lee turret with a custom Inline long ergo handle. About every 10th one, I need to re-compress in order to make it flush. I even had to stand rather than sit, to get as much leverage as I could. I used mixed range brass for the loads.

As long as they all go bang this isn't a complete deal breaker, testing 400 this weekend. Between myself and a friend, I will test using 4 pistols and a PCC. I have read that the cups are too hard for some Glocks, but neither of us own one, so can't test that.

For this reason, I will pass on buying them again if there is something else available. If you do use these, check EVERY loaded round to ensure the primer is all the way in. I caught several which were not.

One thing I really like is the bright red color. If I find one in the shop, I know immediately what it is.

Just thought I'd throw this out there for anyone thinking of buying 5k like I did.

EDIT: This is now not my opinion of these primers, scroll down for my test results.

 

[kcofohio]

Thanks for the report. Good to know.

On a slightly different note, I have some CCI 200s from the 70s. The only way I get a smooth seating with them is if I take a cotton swabs with Lee's case lube on it, and swab the pocket lightly. Never had a failure fire with that method.

 

[peeplwtchr]

Thanks for the report. Good to know.

On a slightly different note, I have some CCI 200s from the 70s. The only way I get a smooth seating with them is if I take a cotton swabs with Lee's case lube on it, and swab the pocket lightly. Never had a failure fire with that method.

Interesting, maybe I'll figure out an easy way to hit the primer pockets with Oneshot.

Update: It just occurred to me that I will need to spray the primers (Face down), as I am using a turret. I'll try it today and post results.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Hi All-

As many of you know. Ginex primers from Bosnia are beginning to hit the U.S.. I just scored some for the first time. In this time of "Buy what you can get", I wanted to share an observation. I have loaded 9mm with 300 Ginex, and they are about 2-3 times harder to seat, using a Lee turret with a custom Inline long ergo handle. About every 10th one, I need to re-compress in order to make it flush. I even had to stand rather than sit, to get as much leverage as I could. I used mixed range brass for the loads.

As long as they all go bang this isn't a complete deal breaker, testing 400 this weekend.

For this reason, I will pass on buying them again if there is something else available. If you do use these, check EVERY loaded round to ensure the primer is all the way in. I caught several which were not.

One thing I really like is the bright red color. If I find one in the shop, I know immediately what it is.

Just thought I'd throw this out there for anyone thinking of buying 5k like I did.

Both in picture look poorly seated, one obviously so the other less obvious. Am I correct that they’re both bad?

 

[kcofohio]

Interesting, maybe I'll figure out an easy way to hit the primer pockets with Oneshot.

I'm not familiar with Oneshot, but as long as it won't foul the powder, it may work.
The older CCIs have sharp edges and scrape the pocket walls.

 

[peeplwtchr]

Both in picture look poorly seated, one obviously so the other less obvious. Am I correct that they’re both bad?

Yes. I didn't want to put any more pressure on them, I muscled these. I was surprised they didn't go off. Eye protection is extra essential with these.

 

[Mark_Mark]

Yes. I didn't want to put any more pressure on them, I muscled these. I was surprised they didn't go off. Eye protection is extra essential with these.

so you put a bunch of pressure on it????

could you measure a american made primer and compare to the bisnian primers. Would be interesting to see

 

[Klaatu Barada Nikto]

I have read where a lot of 9mm is finding it's way to the reloader with crimped primer pockets.
Is it possible you have some mixed head stamps?

 

[peeplwtchr]

so you put a bunch of pressure on it????

could you measure a american made primer and compare to the bisnian primers. Would be interesting to see

HA HA! I just finished doing this about 10 seconds before you posted.

I measured CCI, Federal and Ginex. All were .1755 wide. Height was CCI and Federal were .121, Ginex .118. So width and height are not the issue, it's the hardness of the cup.

 

[CQB45ACP]

Yes. I didn't want to put any more pressure on them, I muscled these. I was surprised they didn't go off. Eye protection is extra essential with these.

Yikes!

When you apply extra pressure do you turn the case a little? I have to do that occasionally with poor seating primers/odd ball cases. Just curious if there’s a way to do it without placing yourself at risk.

 

[peeplwtchr]

I have read where a lot of 9mm is finding it's way to the reloader with crimped primer pockets.
Is it possible you have some mixed head stamps?

Good point. The two I posted earlier which had issues were Aguila and S&B. It appears as though Aguila is crimped, but no explanation for S&B. I have loaded hundreds of each of those with no primer issues from CCI, FED, WIN primers. I will test with non-crimped/no S&B only and post.

 

[peeplwtchr]

Yikes!

When you apply extra pressure do you turn the case a little? I have to do that occasionally with poor seating primers/odd ball cases. Just curious if there’s a way to do it without placing yourself at risk.

I do turn them, thanks.

 

[LiveLife]

The two I posted earlier which had issues were Aguila and S&B. It appears as though Aguila is crimped, but no explanation for S&B.

I bought a large lot of Fiocchi primers during the last component shortage and while I liked the performance, didn't like the slightly larger metric sized cups.

Seating these primers took extra effort and in tighter primer pocket once-fired S&B and RWS cases, seating to even flush was not doable and I separated these headstamp cases to use with domestic brand primers with standard sizing.

BTW, S&B (Czech) was bought by CBC (Brazil) in 2009 who also owns Magtech (Brazil) and MEN (Germany). Interestingly, Magtech primers are sized similar as domestic/standard sizing and I reserved them for once-fired cases with tighter primer pockets.

As to harder primer cups, I bought a particular lot of Tula SP primer with harder cups that produced inconsistent ignition and I found out that using these primers in small primer 45ACP cases consistently ignited.

Life is good again.

 

[reloaded_in_pa]

Good point. The two I posted earlier which had issues were Aguila and S&B. It appears as though Aguila is crimped, but no explanation for S&B. I have loaded hundreds of each of those with no primer issues from CCI, FED, WIN primers. I will test with non-crimped/no S&B only and post.

I've always found S&B brass to have tight primer pockets. That may be requiring more force to seat them .

 

[Dale Alan]

I use Ginex Large Rifle Magnum primers, they are great for brass where the primer pockets are becoming a loose with other primers. . On new or nearly new brass they go in hard but never a problem getting them fully seated .

 

[Mark_Mark]

HA HA! I just finished doing this about 10 seconds before you posted.

I measured CCI, Federal and Ginex. All were .1755 wide. Height was CCI and Federal were .121, Ginex .118. So width and height are not the issue, it's the hardness of the cup.

well dang?!?!?!!?!!!?!!!

 

[Mark_Mark]

Good point. The two I posted earlier which had issues were Aguila and S&B. It appears as though Aguila is crimped, but no explanation for S&B. I have loaded hundreds of each of those with no primer issues from CCI, FED, WIN primers. I will test with non-crimped/no S&B only and post.

You need some new 9mm brass! How much you need?!?!!!? that Aguila brass looks bad!!

 

[Rule3]

HA HA! I just finished doing this about 10 seconds before you posted.

I measured CCI, Federal and Ginex. All were .1755 wide. Height was CCI and Federal were .121, Ginex .118. So width and height are not the issue, it's the hardness of the cup.

Try different brass or ream the pockets on the SB. SB for sure have tighter pockets never dealt with agulia

I load a bunch of Wolff/Tula primers and can tell when I get a SB brass.

 

[peeplwtchr]

Try different brass or ream the pockets on the SB. SB for sure have tighter pockets never dealt with agulia

I load a bunch of Wolff/Tula primers and can tell when I get a SB brass.

Ahhh okay. I may have to switch headstamps, I have all the big brands. I get range brass every week, so I like to use that if possible. Any idea if any of the following are the most forgiving?

-Geco
-Win.
- R.P
- Fed.
- Blazer

 

[FROGO207]

I have found that when pockets are tighter i just use a larger steady force and the dang things will eventually seat and work. Just don't hammer on them when installing them and they won't go off. At least none of the 20 K tula I used gave any problems other than hard seating.

 

[GeoDudeFlorida]

I do turn them, thanks.

I often have to turn F C head stamp 9mm. Blazer, too.

 

[peeplwtchr]

Interesting, maybe I'll figure out an easy way to hit the primer pockets with Oneshot.

Update: It just occurred to me that I will need to spray the primers (Face down), as I am using a turret. I'll try it today and post results.

I'm not familiar with Oneshot, but as long as it won't foul the powder, it may work.
The older CCIs have sharp edges and scrape the pocket walls.

Thanks, I think you nailed it.

I tested 50 primers which I sprayed face down with Oneshot. All seated as well or better than any domestic brand, even in the crimped Aguila (And others crimped), and S&B. When I say better, I mean that it was more consistent tension going in, which should mean a better, tighter fit the whole length of the primer. Also, I can't imagine these could be mashed like some softer cupped primers.

As I mentioned in another post, these have a bright red laquer(?) in them, so I can differentiate what it is, should I find one on the floor. Most domestic primers I have used are varying shades of green, yellow or brown.

Then I tested the same case types with no lube. I got 10 into it, and had my answer. I lubed the remaining 40.

Since spraying them w/Oneshot only takes 10 seconds, if these all go bang, they will likely be towards the top of my buy list.

 

[kcofohio]

Thanks, I think you nailed it.

I tested 50 primers which I sprayed face down with Oneshot. All seated as well or better than any domestic brand, even in the crimped Aguila (And others crimped), and S&B. When I say better, I mean that it was more consistent tension goin in, which should mean a better, tighter fit the whole length of the primer. Also, I can't imagine these could be mashed like some softer cupped primers.

As I mentioned in another post, these have a bright red laquer(?) in them, so I can differentiate what it is, should I find one on the floor. Most domestic primers I have used are varying shades of green, yellow or brown.

Then I tested the same case types with no lube. I got 10 into it, and had my answer. I lubed the remaining 40.

Since spraying them w/Oneshot only takes 10 seconds, if these all go bang, they will likely be towards the top of my buy list.

That's good to see.

 

[docbrown]

Ahhh okay. I may have to switch headstamps, I have all the big brands. I get range brass every week, so I like to use that if possible. Any idea if any of the following are the most forgiving?

-Geco
-Win.
- R.P
- Fed.
- Blazer

Winchester brass has always seemed the most forgiving as far as primer pockets go...at least that is my experience.

 

[peeplwtchr]

Winchester brass has always seemed the most forgiving as far as primer pockets go...at least that is my experience.

Thanks, I have a good stash of Win..