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Welcome to THR.

The only thing I can add to the assistence given above is that its high time that you start deciding what you'd like to try out and get to the range.

After that, I suspect we'll be seeing a lot more of you around here.


Welcome again.


-- John
 
The only thing I can add to the assistence given above is that its high time that you start deciding what you'd like to try out and get to the range.

I have been, many a time, acutally. I usually shoot my b/f's Savage .22 long rifle at 100 yds with a scope, and his AK. I shot his friends .308. i'll admit it kind of scared me, but i want to try it again. :D I've shot a few handguns too: a Colt .357 revolver and a Sig P239 SAS. i've been shooting for about 6 months now, hes been shooting for 3 years, but I usually find that I outshoot him when we go down range ;) being that i'm only 18 and still live under the rent's roof i cant get my own because he's an anti...but im working on it.
 
The above is all good stuff. Read, absorb, think about it.

A common theme in the anti-2A or anti-gun crowd is that the 2nd amendment has no place in modern America. "You can't actually stand up the government" is a common theme there.

The Battle of Athens shows just how an armed population can be effective. In short, local county government is rigging elections, locals are fed up with it, and a bunch of guys just home from WWII have no problems going to their guns to make things right.

I believe it makes an excellent example of the 2nd amendment fulfilling it's intended purpose. Bonus: As far as I know nobody died in the "battle" either.
 
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I like Dr John Lott's research. See his site: http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

His book, More Guns, Less Crime created uproar among nicer liberal circles because he showed through statistical analysis and research that violent crime drops significantly following right to carry laws. While common sense might lead normal criminals to think twice about car-jacking or home invasion if the folks are carrying, John Lott proved it.

So you can use Lott's research to address the argument that more guns lead to higher crime.

You might want to do a little research regarding John Lott's work for several reasons.

1) Both CDC and NAS reviews of guncontrol studies lumped his together with the other worthless studies ( with a dissenting report on the NAS study )

2) This is another critique of Lott's work
http://www.crab.rutgers.edu/~goertzel/mythsofmurder.htm

3) Lott has made himself look very foolish, stupid and a liar.
http://timlambert.org/lott/ Granted Lambert definetly dislikes Lott and is somewhat rabid on the subject but if you read his site and then google the data to get verification on the "Mary Rosh" incidents and the
infamous missing survey (short version in the preface of his first book he refered to a study that he had had performed for which he cannot supply the data, due to a computer problem :rolleyes:), cannot state who did the survey, and has no phone records, raw data, or anything else to show that it was done. At best the claim shows that he is incompentant in his chosed field (publishing claims for which you have no data/proof is a BIG no-no in academia) at best or a liar at worst.

My suggestion would be to use his name and data at your own risk. While not as bad as Michael Bellesiles of "Arming America" infamy he is NOT someone I would use as a reference for a school paper, which is really sad because I would love to believe his results.

NukemJim
 
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Not really first-hand info, but there are a great many things to be said in a thread from a long while ago... http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=27373.

I wish to quote post #25, by Trisha:

You bring up a point I have always found truly fascinating: the concept that our anthropological history as becoming the most successful killer, the most ingenious, the superpredator - bar none - is somehow to be viewed with horror and disavowed vehemently in today's society.

It has become unfashionable to celebrate that genetic fact in recent decades as blatently socialistic forces have encroached and are reaching for dominance in mass media. A simple sociological overview on your part will bear this out, as you compare even just television programs from the mid-50's to today. The result has been just as obvious: tell someone a lie often enough and it will eventually supplant the truth.

Beyond my study of firearms, I pursue martial arts, edged weapons, history, philosophy, art history and music as related fields. My reasoning is simple. An intelligent and diverse human is predisposed to curiosity to the surroundings, to the signs of other predators, to the achievements of culture, to the horrors of our shared past. Insight and depth gained from such studies yields an enhanced command of language and conceptual nuance - and that delivers the consciousness to new heights of perception.

Consider - without the evolved facilities to express one's self, anthropologists believe that the capacity for intelligence is inherently restricted in humans.

What has this to do with your subject? Simple. The suprepredator/human possesses the intellectual depth to secure a measure of safety from other superpredator/humans. The strong prey on the weak, both individually and as organized cultures when the stakes are survival and the accumulation of physical goods deemed either desirable or necessary to insure or accentuate some envisioned quality of life.

It is not wrong to be strong, to pursue the arts of war - it is the human birthright.

It has been my experience to discover the more I study and train, the more I value not only my life but the lives of others, both locally and far beyond. I have discovered real calm and peace to be in my heart, even when confronted by some consumed by pathological hatred - for I understand very well just how fragile their life is should the threat escalate to my being unable to escape without using the skills (with the tools - both material and mental) of war to secure my safety.

Contemporary media, in its' pursuit of advertizing and with its' cheerful disregard of reality delivers hyperbole and fantasy in popular entertainment. That you mention a concern for weapons fire in a pressurized aircraft highlights this. A study of physics wwould immediately dispel your concersn, as would converstaions with pilots who've operated aircraft that have sustained astonishing structural damage - and no lives were lost. Such images as you express concern over are more often found in science fiction/fantasy screenplays.

Personally, I find life far more interesting, sparking more curiosity and delight as I am able to live freely without the abject fear (or not - if one is in complete denial) bourn of the victim mentality. You see, James, humans are competitive. We strive to out do 'the Jone's' next door. We pursue excellence in every venture to standards of our conscious choosing, likely often compensating for failure in one area with less strenuous achievement in another.

I will never aquiesce and relegate any or all aspects and applications of everyday life that are even fractionally congruent to my safety and security and thus my natural and inherent liberty to another person, civil authority, or theologic dogma - even under duress to comply with a contemporary and popular fad that so deviously and methodically insitst I cherish helplessness, weakness, and thence devoiton to the patriarchial governance of the cattle-herder of the socialist.

There is a wonder to be embraced with relish and joy in achieving and pursuing the legitimacy to stand beside the ghosts of those bloodied patriots, men and women and children, ordinary people, who shook the bedrock of this planet and, for the first time saw simple ideas become the words:

"We, the People. . ."

That's derided today, in public education, in fashionable serialized plays of fiction, even with those who are elected to serve their constituents in our Republic's Capitol. When those firmply penned words are lost today, I hear another voice.

A voice that was also heard around the planet, speaking simple words that made Americans open their eyes and weep with joy, reclaiming their most unique history:

"Lets roll!"

Ask yourself this, James; a hypothetical question and one I pray never comes to pass: were you to see masked terrorists jump out of a van directly in front of you, savagely gunning down a uniformed police officer on patrol in front of a church for a wedding and hear gunfire within the church, with screams fo the wounded rising - would you take up the fallen officer's weapon and unhesitatingly advance to defy the murderers, even at the risk of your own life?

Would you know how to apply the arts of war as an American?

Admittedly, my hypothetical scenario could be argued many ways by many people - so write your own from a review of Angel Shamaya's KeepAndBearArms.com

Liberty is an individual reality, not a bandied concept droned past foggy minds and uncaring, easily distracted hearts during a civics class that involves old guys that've been dead a long time.

It is not bestowed benevolently by a totalitarian government, authorized by a theocratic dogma - it is what makes us completely unique in the entire history of man - and it has incredible, broad, persistent responsibilities.
 
Check the last few decades for "crimes against humanity" for contrasting actions of governments against citizens who did not have a 2nd to resort to if the topic is he importance of the 2nd.
 
What I'd also do is go out to a several gun ranges and talk to the people. Interview them, lean what their motivation is, etc. etc.
good luck
-bix
 
Thanks everyone so mcuh for all your info! I could have never found found all this stuff on my own! I'll post the essay when i get done with it so you all can read it.
 
The geekwith45 site contains the DOJ memo that would be very helpful to your research.
 
First off, welcome to the site. Might I ask if you are a "shooter" as well? Here are a few things related to your search, I didnt compile them...not taking credit... but a lot of VERY good points.

1) "The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference; they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."
~ George Washington.

2) "The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
~ Alexander Hamilton .

3) "Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property."
~ Thomas Paine.

4) "Americans need not fear the federal government because they enjoy the advantage of being armed, which you possess over the people of almost every other nation."
~ James Madison.

5) "Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
~ Thomas Jefferson.

6) "The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able may have a gun."
~ Patrick Henry.

7) "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes"
~ Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria.

8) "To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
~ George Mason.

9) "The said Constitution be never construed... to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
~ Samuel Adams.

10) "But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, and one more safeguard against a tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible."
~ Hubert Humphrey.

11) "I carried it (a revolver) religiously and during the summer I asked a friend, a man who had been one of Franklin's bodyguards in New York State, to give me some practice in target shooting so that if the need arose I would know how to use the gun."
~ Eleanore Roosevelt.

12) "By calling attention to 'a well regulated militia', the 'security' of the nation, and the right of each citizen 'to keep and bear arms', our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny which gave rise to the Second Amendment will ever be a major danger to our nation, the Amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of his country. For that reason, I believe the Second Amendment will always be important."
~ John F. Kennedy.

13) "Mightn't it be better in those areas of high crime to arm the homeowner and the shopkeeper, teach him how to use his weapons and put the word out to the underworld that it is no longer totally safe to rob and murder?

One wonders indeed if the rising crime rate isn't due as much as anything to the criminal's instinctive knowledge that the average victim no longer has any means of protection. No one knows how many crimes are committed because the criminal knows he has a soft touch. No one knows how many stores have been left alone because the criminals knew them to be guarded by a man with a gun."
~ Ronald Reagan.

14) "There is no doubt in my mind that millions of lives could have been saved if the people had not been 'brainwashed' about gun ownership and they had been well armed. Hitler's thugs and goons were not very brave when confronted by a gun. Gun haters always want to forget the Warsaw Ghetto uprising, which is a perfect example of how a ragtag, half starved group of Jews took up 10 handguns and made asses out of the Nazi's."
~ Theodore Haas, former prisoner Dachau concentration camp.



I Own Firearms Because History Says I Should:

15) 1911: Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

16) 1929: Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, about 40-60 million citizens, unable to defend themselves , were rounded up and exterminated or starved to death.

17) 1935: China established gun control. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

18) 1938: Germany established gun control. From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, Catholics and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

19) 1956: Cambodia established gun control. From 1975 to 1977, one million 'educated' people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated."

20) 1964: Guatemala established gun control. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

21) 1966-1976: China still has gun control. Another 50-100 million civilians, unable to defend themselves, were killed in Mao Tse Tung's "Cultural Revolution".

22) 1970: Uganda established gun control. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

23) 1990s: Rwanda established gun control. In a span of 100 days in April 1994, 800,000 people who were unable to defend themselves were massacred to death - most by machetes. How many dead, hacked-up bodies do you think were found holding a loaded gun? (answer is less than one)

24) 1992: Los Angeles California, USA. For three days police stood by and watched, unable to stop the rioting, arson and destruction of whole neighborhoods. Yet many Korean stores were virtually untouched - protected by their well-armed storeowners who exercised their right to self-defense through their right to keep and bear arms and who did for themselves what the police were unwilling or unable to do.

25) Late 1990s: Great Britain established total gun control. Robberies, burglaries and assaults have skyrocketted making London's violent crime rate now higher than anywhere in America.

26) 2005: New Orleans hit by hurricane. Widespread catastrophe, no law enforcement across most of the city for weeks. Some citizens protected themselves with firearms - until NOLA police began confiscating them "for their own protection", leaving even the elderly unable to defend themselves against roving gangs of looters.



I Own Firearms Because It Is My God-Given Right To Self-Defense:

27) "If the thief is found breaking in, and he is struck so that he dies, there shall be no guilt for his bloodshed."
~ Exodus 22:2

28) "...he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."
~ Luke 22:36

29) "When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are in peace."
~ Luke 11:21

30) "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
~ Declaration of Independence.



I Own Firearms Because I Have Common Sense:

31) The second amendment is not dependant on the most recent crime statistics - nor is my right to keep and bear arms contingent on what criminals do.

32) 2 million times a year, private citizens successfully use firearms to defend themselves.

33) Criminals fear victims holding guns, not victims holding phones.


Good luck with your paper!
 
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Don't overlook our own Tom Gresham: aka GunTalk. He's a national radio, TV, and web broadcaster. I believe his site www.guntalk.com has a lot of information.

He has been citing a Center for Disease Control (CDC) report that holds that no gun control law has ever succeeded in reducing crime.

And welcome to this site. You've found a great one.

Happy Shooting!
 
Dear Young Lady,

Welcome to the board. Thank you for being open minded enough to consider something other than what you hear from the liberal media.

I suggest you try the following link:

http://www.gunowners.org/skeptic.htm

Good luck on your paper and feel free to ask any questions you want.

Regards,
Dave
 
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I have been, many a time, acutally. I usually shoot my b/f's Savage .22 long rifle at 100 yds with a scope, and his AK. I shot his friends .308. i'll admit it kind of scared me, but i want to try it again. I've shot a few handguns too: a Colt .357 revolver and a Sig P239 SAS. i've been shooting for about 6 months now, hes been shooting for 3 years, but I usually find that I outshoot him when we go down range being that i'm only 18 and still live under the rent's roof i cant get my own because Dad's an anti...but im working on it.
 
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