Given the choices, do Cali THR members want Arnold?

[Redlg155]

Just curious..given the choices out there, do you guys want Arnold? If no..then who?

I was looking at Arnold's website and it seems that he supports gun control, but he also states he supports the 2nd.

http://www.joinarnold.com/en/agenda/arnoldsviews.php

Where do you stand on gun control?

I am a strong supporter of the second amendment. The U.S. constitution allows for law-abiding citizens to own a firearm.

I also believe that there are responsibilities that gun owners must follow in owning a firearm. I support the Brady bill, I support the current assault weapons ban and I believe that guns must have safety devices or be stored as to prevent accidental discharge.
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oops, don't worry about the above post. I think I answered it myself by a bit of reading. Should have read a bit first!

Good Shooting
Red

 

[Mark Tyson]

Revolting. The man doesn't know jack about the 2nd amendment. I don't think he knows too much about the others either. He's another Hollywood elitist. He's got money and fame, now he wants power.

 

[QuickDraw]

Given the choices, do Cali THR members want Arnold?

I don't!
I'm voting for McClintock.
If Davis retains his throne(as in toilet ) or Bustamonte wins,
I'm going to start looking for another state to live in.

QuickDraw

 

[Jim March]

I'm withholding my vote until the last minute. If Arnold survives the coming slimestorm Davis (and possibly Bustamente) are going to throw at him, and Tom can't get anymore traction, then I'm going to vote for Arnold as the only choice over Busta.

If however Tom has *any* chance going into the finals, he's getting my vote.

Call it unprincipled if y'all want, I call it tactical.

 

[Cal4D4]

I'd call it pretty realistic.

 

[jims98z28]

I will be voting for Arnold. I wish McClintock could win, but he can't and Bustamecha would be much worse for this state than Arnold would.

 

[Jim March]

Caution now: you DON'T know Tom can't win yet.

There's two weeks left for Arnold to stick his foot so far down his mouth he chokes on it. Or for Davis to find something to strangle him with.

Polls right now show that if ARNOLD pulls out in favor of Tom, Tom would win.

Hold fire until you get a clear shot here.

 

[swifter]

The redoubtable Mr. March, as usual, said it very well. I'm still looking for a new home. The policies of the demoRats - shortsighted vote buying grubs that they are - have done more damage to this state than can be straightened out in my lifetime So I'm leaving, regardless of who wins. I don't have many years left, but I'll not spend 'em in a socialist utopia, not even one that's getting enemas 'til clear!
Tom

 

[yy]

I'm voting libertarian. that cigarette seller. Hope one day a libertarian candidate will win and be fringe no more.

 

[railroader]

I'm for Mcclintock but if he doesn't come up in the polls I'm going to go with Arnold because I can't stand Bustamonte. I did hear Arnold today saying that cali didn't need more gun laws but we need to enforce the ones we have. As for Bustamonte, if the bullet tax comes up again I could see him signing that in a heartbeat but maybe Arnold wouldn't. I shoot quite a bit and I can't afford $200 to $300 in tax every time I reload a 1000 rounds. Mark

 

[jims98z28]

Well, I'm not sure most of Arnolds supporters would go to Tom. He seems to attract the people that would be more likely to vote for Cruz than Tom, IMO. But yes you are right, he can win, but its very unlikely.

 

[GW]

I'm voting McClintock
He is the best man for gunowners in CA
If all of us gunowners stick together and vote for him he can win
I for one am sick of voting for the lesser of 2 evils
For once, there is a candidate I'm willing to donate to and willing to promote and thats him
Compromise is how we let things get so bad in CA
Arnold is a compromise and when he signs the next piece of "sensible gun control", all those who voted for him will have reaped what they have sown.
Vote for McClintock
He is our last best chance

 

[Jim March]

Let me be clear here: I'm not down on anybody voting for Tom regardless.

If we get a situation where Cruz wins because an obvious pro-freedom vote won't tolerate anything less than great, that's not a bad thing.

The only downside here is that because Tom is..."pro life", a lot of the vote that goes to him will be thought of as "religious right/anti abortion" rather than "pro-freedom, fiscal responsibility" which is the part of what Tom is that matters.

The one thing Cruz and those like him won't do is convert against "pro choice". Ain't gonna happen.

 

[Gordon Fink]

Tom McClintock

I am a Libertarian—yes, with a big L—but Tom McClintock is a Republican I can support … at least nine times out of 10. If he is still in the race on Oct. 7th, I will probably vote for him. If the top choice is between only Schwarzenegger and Bustamante, I may as well throw my vote to Mr. Roscoe. (Even Davis said he wouldn’t sign any new gun-control bills while he was first running for governor.)

However, if McClintock clearly can’t win on the eve of the election, he should withdraw gracefully. This would position him favorably to run for the U.S. Senate next year or in 2006. Otherwise, the Republicans won’t owe him any favors.

Where does McClintock suffer? During his closing remarks at this week’s debate, he said that he “supports the entire Bill of Rights†… right after saying that he is “pro-life†(i.e., anti-abortion). He must clarify this ideologically inconsistent position. It really shouldn’t be that difficult. He can continue to despise abortion, while recognizing that it falls under the veil of the Fourth Amendment. Until then, he will alienate voters (especially women) who use this polarizing issue as a political litmus test.

~G. Fink

 

[Zedicus]

Mark Tyson: Revolting. The man doesn't know jack about the 2nd amendment. I don't think he knows too much about the others either. He's another Hollywood elitist. He's got money and fame, now he wants power.

Well put!

 

[Sergeant Bob]

Well for those who think Arnold will only enforce existing gun laws, I have heard him clearly state on the Sean Vannity show he supports the AWB (define assault weapon, and remember Ca has it's own), Brady Bill, trigger locks (what flavor?) and.... closing the gun show loophole .

He also stated he would only raise taxes in the case of a state emergency. Such as....earthquake (won't have to worry about that in Ca. ), large fire (don't have those either ) ....... Then Vannity cut him off repeatedly before he (could say state budget deficit of 38 Billion dollars?) had a chance to stick his considerably muscular foot in his pie hole.

He danced all around affimative action.

Complained that only a third of the people eligible for mediCal were signed up for it they need to get the word out to all the people eligible.

Other than that and other things mentioned, he'd sure get my vote

 

[Penforhire]

I want Tom to win but Arnold is the smart money bet. I think Tom was the ONLY RKBA advocate in the leading candidates, and the toughest financial position. If both those guys run and split the vote and Cruz wins, bleh!

 

[railroader]

Sergeant Bob,
all the gun control measures Arnold favors are already law in cali. There aren't any assualt weapons or gun show loopholes. Trigger locks for gun purchases. You want to buy a gun here and it is through a dealer with waiting periods and background checks. As for Bustamonte, he already is ready to tax the crap out of drinkers and smokers like they are lepers and I can see him going after gun owners too. Mark

 

[Sergeant Bob]

all the gun control measures Arnold favors are already law in cali.

He's in favor of some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation, and that's considered a good reason to vote for him?

There aren't any assualt weapons or gun show loopholes. Trigger locks for gun purchases. You want to buy a gun here and it is through a dealer with waiting periods and background checks.

Are all private sales subject to NICS? Must they be transacted through an FFL? That's what "closing the gunshow loophole" is all about.

"Assault Weapon" is subject to definition. There are those who are trying to define all semi autos as "assault weapons". It's doubtful he'll ask you for your definition.

Yeah, you'd better vote for Arnold.

 

[rayra]

McClintock might be a better "Politician", but I'll tell you what - I'm not a one-issue voter, and there is no way that McClintock is going to get the most votes. The only thing he can do by staying in the race is pull a 'Perot' on Schwarzenegger. The percentage for McClintock is the margin Ahnold needs to safely beat Bustamante.
Davis is gone, no doubt in my mind that the Recall Yes/No vote will oust him. The only question after that is if we let the MECHa / Aztlan -favoring Bustamante Win.
I'm voting for Ahnold, because ousting Davis / blocking Bustamante is more important than anything else.

 

[Preacherman]

Speaking as a non-Californian, I'm afraid I regard that state as lost to civilization, no matter who wins. If Bustamante wins, he's got a Left-wing government already set up to back him. If Arnold wins, he will have to fight that same Left-wing government, and make mucho concessions, if he's to accomplish anything. If McClintock wins, he'd be at loggerheads with that same Left-wing government, as it wants nothing whatsoever to do with his (admittedly sane, balanced and realistic) policies.

I'm afraid that if California is headed down the great sewer of Socialism, it may as well do so under Bustamante as under Arnold - neither will be able to stop the rot.

Hopefully, the rest of America will learn from its fate and avoid the same policies...

 

[railroader]

Sergeant Bob, just so you know I'm not on the Arnold bandwagon. I have been rooting for Mcclintock all along and I will vote for him if he can come up in the polls. But in reality he isn't close enough to win at this point. So I have to make a choice on october 7th. Having Bustamonte or Davis as govenor on october 8th isn't acceptable. Just in the last month Davis signed bills to give drivers licenses and free college education to illegal aliens plus the wonderful "all new handguns have to have loaded chamber indicators and mag disconnect features bill". I've had it up to my eyeballs with this crap so what are my real world options. If I vote for Arnold it will be a last resort out of desperation. To give you an idea of the government idiots we have to deal with, here's another thread about NRA membership literature being in with new glock handguns the LAPD gets. A couple of the LA city council members are all up in arms now saying that the NRA paperwork shouldn't come with the guns. These kind of politicians get voted in here all the time. http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41960

As for private party transfers I think the only ones that can be done without a FFL are C&R rifles. Everything else has to be done with a dealer with background checks, waiting periods and the "new safety test card " you have to have in your wallet if it is a handgun purchase. Anyway wish us luck, we need it. Mark

 

[yy]

The short answer? NO.

I entertained that thought for only one day. Schwartzenegger was not pro-gun enough for me. The best he could serve my interest is to veto any new laws coming out of the legislature and maybe repealing a bunch of olde ones. I want less government. And less government intrusions.

 

[Sactown]

I would love to have Mclintock win, but I will vote Ahnold to keep Boostyourmoney out of there, unless Mclintock can pull out a miracle.

 

[Sergeant Bob]

railroader

As for private party transfers I think the only ones that can be done without a FFL are C&R rifles. Everything else has to be done with a dealer with background checks, waiting periods and the "new safety test card " you have to have in your wallet if it is a handgun purchase. Anyway wish us luck, we need it. Mark

Wow, I didn't know it was that bad there. Sorry, and I do wish you guys all the luck in the world. I used to shoot at that range out on Alabama (IIRC?) and always went to the gunshows down at the National Orange Show. I lived in Highland (just off Main Street) for several years. Was stationed at Norton from 1981 - 1990. Used to be gun lover's heaven out there. Hope it can be again.