Glock 23 vs. Rock Island "Compact"

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I ended painting an extra house and redoing the linoleum floors (replaced with imitation tile) during my summer vacation before I go back to lawschool and ended up with an $600 bucks in my pocket I didn't plan on getting. This summer has been really good to me money wise and have been planning on making my last couple of firearm purchases before I take a long break from gun buying (already have a couple of rifles, a shotgun, and handguns) until after me and the fiance get married and settle down some three or four years from now (when I have real money and can afford to get into competitive shooting).

So I had originally decided to get a couple of .357 snubbies for concealment versatility and well have decided differently now.

I already shoot .45 ACP out of my Ruger P90(the gun my fiance has all but taken from me) but I don't have any experience with .40.

I've been looking at the Rock Island Compact (looks like an officer to me) and the Glock 23(about as big as my old and gone Arcus 94C). The Rock Island Compact is an officer sized 1911... it's a 1911 and I have wanted a 1911 for some time, plus it's a .45 ACP caliber concealable handgun. Rock Island makes it originally with a 6 round magazine as I understand it but it'll take the usual and larger size 1911 magazines.

The plus sides are that it is a 1911(Rock Island as I understand it makes firearms of comparable quality to that of Springfield, and better than Auto-Ordinance), it's concealable, and .45 ACP, oh and I've found where they can be gotten for under $400(after FFL transfer and shipping) brand-new.

Then there's the Glock 23, compact, generally a 13 round capacity. It's a Glock and their quality as a workhorse is well reputed. While it fires the .40 which can be acquired slightly more cheaply than the .45 ACP, with a quick and none too expensive purchase of an after-market barrel and magazine it can fire 9mm, Sig .357, and .22lr(Advantage Arms, though a good bit more expensive).

I usually buy jeans with large pockets because of my tendency to pocket carry but I've carried my P90 in a IWB holster before plenty of times. I've held Kimber and Para-Ordinance officer sized 1911s and they're recognizably smaller than my old Arcus 94C which I could pocket carry in most of my jeans without a pocket holster without printing(mind you I had to put m wallet in front of it which slowed down draw time) and am figuring the Rock Island Compact with it's 3.5" barrel would be able to pocket carry(mind you I'd get a pocket holster for it if I could find one) easily enough.

The Glock 23 on the other hand could possibly pocket carry but not as easily as the RI. It does have greater mag capacity. It can be converted for 9mm or .22lr which are none too expensive calibers for regular practice or plinking. The trouble though is I'd have to get a LEO trade in to end up just over $400.

It's knawing at me something fierce. I've already decided to get a Taurus 651 snub .357 since I have had a great experience with the 617 snub .357 (the 651 in appreciably smaller to my impression, I'm just waiting for a good steal on the price).

If I could use Fusion officer slides and barrels with the RI where I could fire .40, 9mm, or even 10mm(probaly not but one can dream) maybe even get a .22lr conversion then I'd go with the RI compact in a heartbeat. Has anyone ever swithed out the barrels and slides on a .45 auto framce for a different caliber other than .22lr. Thanks ahead of time.
 
I carry a Rock Compact every day, so that's where my vote lies. Centerfire Systems has the nicest equipped ones at the moment, for $419. And they're 7 round mags, not 6. Plus one in the pipe.

I personally wouldn't pocket carry one, they are kinda heavy. Great with a good IWB holster though, I use a Beltster myself, but I've ordered a Milt Sparks VMII. Conceals very well on my fat old self.
 
Couldn't imagine pocket carrying either. My Kimber UC with thin grips, is as comfy as I've found to carry IWB, so I'd go Rock Island. The G23 is a great shooter, and ultra reliable, You pick:D
 
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Your a hard sell man. Your choices are polymer vs steel. 40s&w vs 45acp. Your choices are totally worlds apart. With safety vs no safety. Wow, if I were a sales rep I could just probably sell you a Kahr :). But im biased since I am a 1911 guy so you know what I would recommend. But bets off, I believe your going towards glock. Why? b'cuz you'll soon become a lawyer. Lawyers dont get too much range time :rolleyes: Glocks are simple, 1911s are for uhh serious shooters :evil:

But goodluck anyway.
 
I'd go with the Glock. Glocks are accurate, reliable, and tough. I have heard a lot of negative things about Rock Island, not to be confused with Rock River which I know are good.
 
I have heard a lot of negative things about Rock Island

Really? From who? I'm just curious, because the average posts I read about Rock Islands are generally extremely positive.
 
I have heard a lot of negative things about Rock Island, not to be confused with Rock River which I know are good.

I'd like to know from where myself. If you go to the m1911.org forums and look at the Armscor/Rock Island section, you'll see what owners actually think about them.

And I like my RIA Compact just fine...
 
First of all, don't even think about pocket carry with either of those two.

You could probably get away with holsterless IWB carry or Mexican carry with the RIA, but the Glock absolutely requires a holster.

I've got an RIA and I love it, but I wouldn't use it as a defensive gun. They're finicky about ammo, by design.

Of the two guns you listed, the Glock is the clear choice as a carry gun. It'll eat any ammunition you feed it, no questions asked. But if you're interested in a compact Glock, why restrict yourself to the G23? Both the G30 and G36 use the .45 ACP round...
 
I got to say go glock 23 I own a 17 19 21 22 never a problem never a complaint pull trigger bang end of story, Gaston knows his stuff
 
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I've got an RIA and I love it, but I wouldn't use it as a defensive gun. They're finicky about ammo, by design.

They are not "finicky by design". If yours does not feed properly, something is wrong with the pistol.

My RIA eats any FMJ or HP given to it. Even big Speer GoldDots that my SA and HK don't like.
 
In defense of RIA

I don't own a Glock, so I can't offer any advice about it. The reason I'm chiming in, is to defend the RIA. I've heard (read on the net) good and bad things on just about all firearms. I do own an RIA and I think highly of it. No problems, ever! Those that have had problems, have had excellent response from Armscor. If possible, shoot both guns and make your choice based on your experiences. I suggest that you disregard statements such as "I've heard negative comments" about any firearms.

As someone else has allready pointed out, the Glock and the RIA are worlds apart. If I had to choose one, it would be the RIA.

Larry
 
Rock Island as I understand it makes firearms of comparable quality to that of Springfield,

I have never heard that and doubt it very much...in every aspect!

For a true carry gun, I'd look elsewhere than a low-priced, short barreled 1911 IMHO. I don't think either, Glock or 1911's are "pocket guns" anyway to be honest.
 
I have no first hand knowledge of the RIA 1911. I have significant experience with the G23. I like the size, weight, functionality, capacity, ease of use, reliability and caliber of the G23. I am biased but would recommend a ported/compensated G23c. The compensation reduces recoil for faster follow-up shots. Don't believe the loss of night-sight nonsense.

As far as pocket carry, either of these loaded guns are not designed for pocket carry. They are much too heavy and seriously dangerous for a loaded chamber (speaking of a cocked and locked 1911 of course).

The 1911 is thinner and may be more comfortable for IWB carry, but marginally so because it may have other design features that dig into your side.

Either are probably good pics. Overall, for the extra 5 shots and my personally great experience with all of my Glocks, I would take the G23c.
 
I carry a Rock Compact every day, so that's where my vote lies.

20 posts + lots of RIA bashing. But it seems like the only person who actually owned one thinks its ok. hhhhmmmm---let me see------------

I will admit that my only personal experience with a 3" 1911 was not a good one, Detonics, and I would most likely not be inclined to own another one. But should we at least not listen to the people who own them? But hey, what do I know?
 
Really? From who? I'm just curious, because the average posts I read about Rock Islands are generally extremely positive.

I have heard this from other THR members when RIA came up in conversation. Like I said, I only have hands-on experience with Glock. I know for a fact that any Glock is a solid machine that is extremely durable, accurate, and reliable. If you like your RIA 1911, then fine, but since I have heard negative feedback on THR about RIA, I am advising to go with the Glock.
 
Marineman core to put your money where your mouth is, I just did a search on THR for RIA and found virtually zero bad comments. This 3 page thread says it all http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=376728&highlight=rock+island If you are basing your opinion on hearsay you are missing out on a nice 1911 at a great price. If you search even farther you will see the RIA match grade compared with springfield and kimber. I owned a GI model for a while before my preference toward revolvers took over and I sold it but would buy another in a heartbeat. My advice buy the RIA you won't be disappointed JMHO.:)
 
You might want to borrow, or rent a 23 before your purchase. The recoil is sharper (to me anyway) than a Colt Officers. That said, a 23 gives you the option of buying a 9mm LoneWolf drop in barrel. You'll need G19 magazines also, but you'll have a reliable dual caliber gun. I like a G26 for summer CC. Winter offers more options so I carry a 23. I am a full figured gent so IWB carry is out of the question.
 
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