I own a Glock 17 and a Kel-Tec P3at and I love both guns, now I'm looking into buying either a Glock 26 or a KT P-11 for winter carry. Both have pluses and minuses in my book (Glock had better quality and I can use my 17 mags in it, The P-11 is smaller and cheaper) but which is a better. I am trying to consolidate my guns and I want to use this small 9mm at my CCW, my Home defense gun, and use it alot at the range. If you had to choose which would be better overall.
Glock 26 vs Kel-Tec P11
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I've shot the Keltect 9mm. Too much recoil. The Glock 26 has probably 1/2 the recoil.
I personally prefer the P99 compact (I sold my Glock 26 after 8 years last year and switched to the P99c). But, either is a better gun than the Keltec, IMHO.
There will be 9mm Keltec fans here, and I guess the gun is okay. But in answering your question the way U asked it - if U wanna enjoy it at the range, but the Glock.
I personally prefer the P99 compact (I sold my Glock 26 after 8 years last year and switched to the P99c). But, either is a better gun than the Keltec, IMHO.
There will be 9mm Keltec fans here, and I guess the gun is okay. But in answering your question the way U asked it - if U wanna enjoy it at the range, but the Glock.
dracphelan
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My suggestion, find a range where you can rent both. This way, you can see which one you are more comfortable with. I know I'm going to start out carrying a Star BM (I already have it). But, I will probably switch to the KT P11.
I've had a P11 for a year and have always disliked shooting it - to the point where I do not practice with it, and am about to sell it. It is as much "fun" to shoot as my P3AT, which is to say, not much - unpleasant recoil and miserable trigger, worse than the P3AT trigger, IMHO. (I don't have an alternative to the P3AT for hot weather pocket carry or I'd get rid of it too.)
I've rented a G26 several times at a local range and always enjoy shooting it. If I weren't in love with the Makarov as a carry gun for cooler weather, when I can cover an IWB holster with a jacket or sweater, I'd be carrying the Glock. For long term durability I'd bet my life on the G26 long before a P11. KelTec does have superb customer support, but you have to pay one way overnight shipping and wait while they work on your gun. You don't hear much about people shipping their Glocks in for repairs.
I will admit that the KelTec line is ingeniously designed and usually a terrific value for the money. But if I had to choose a new 9mm I'd take a Glock in a heartbeat, and just deal with the larger size and higher price.
I've rented a G26 several times at a local range and always enjoy shooting it. If I weren't in love with the Makarov as a carry gun for cooler weather, when I can cover an IWB holster with a jacket or sweater, I'd be carrying the Glock. For long term durability I'd bet my life on the G26 long before a P11. KelTec does have superb customer support, but you have to pay one way overnight shipping and wait while they work on your gun. You don't hear much about people shipping their Glocks in for repairs.
I will admit that the KelTec line is ingeniously designed and usually a terrific value for the money. But if I had to choose a new 9mm I'd take a Glock in a heartbeat, and just deal with the larger size and higher price.
Ken Rainey
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I've owned/fired both. The Glock 26 is an easier to shoot pistol...amazingly accurate, simple, durable, and most of all, reliable.
The Kel Tec's trigger is a longer, heavier pull which will decrease your ease of shooting...fine for up close, but at any distance, you'll have to work at it.
As always, YMMV...
The Kel Tec's trigger is a longer, heavier pull which will decrease your ease of shooting...fine for up close, but at any distance, you'll have to work at it.
As always, YMMV...
You can pour any +p+ ammo into your Glock and it will spit them all out accurately and with fairly low recoil.
Not sure if you can do that w/a Kel-Tec. The KT is more concealable.
If I had to choose I'd go with the G26.
-David
Not sure if you can do that w/a Kel-Tec. The KT is more concealable.
If I had to choose I'd go with the G26.
-David
bubbygator
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If you go with Glock, I've seen posts that say the Glock-19 is as easy to carry/conceal as the 26 for waist holsters.
Mannlicher
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I don't think a Glock and a KelTech are in the same league.
MCgunner
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I've got a KT P11 and like it a lot. It's been my carry gun for 9 years going on 10. The G26 is out of pocket gun range in weight and pretty much in size. You can carry a G19 IWB as easily IMHO. You say this is to be a "winter gun" so I don't see the problem in carrying a G19 unless you don't like IWB. I guess the little G26 would be a bit easier to hide in a high ride OWB, not by that much, though.
So, if you wanna IWB the gun and you like Glocks, I'd rather have the G19. If you want more concealment, pocket carry, the KT is the only one that qualifies IMHO. I shoot mine with +P stuff occasionally. It's rated for +P limited use, which means practice with standard stuff and carry the +P after proving the function. The KT trigger is a true DAO, not "safe action". If you can't shoot DA, don't bother, unless you wanna learn to shoot DA. It has a long 8.5 lb trigger pull. It's a very accurate gun and a pocket full of firepower. They say KT has great customer service, too, but in 9 years I haven't had to find out.
The new single stack with the P3AT trigger should be out soon for the DA phobic. I like the firepower of the P11, though.
So, if you wanna IWB the gun and you like Glocks, I'd rather have the G19. If you want more concealment, pocket carry, the KT is the only one that qualifies IMHO. I shoot mine with +P stuff occasionally. It's rated for +P limited use, which means practice with standard stuff and carry the +P after proving the function. The KT trigger is a true DAO, not "safe action". If you can't shoot DA, don't bother, unless you wanna learn to shoot DA. It has a long 8.5 lb trigger pull. It's a very accurate gun and a pocket full of firepower. They say KT has great customer service, too, but in 9 years I haven't had to find out.
The new single stack with the P3AT trigger should be out soon for the DA phobic. I like the firepower of the P11, though.
denfoote
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This isn't serious, is it??? 
C'mon!!!
Let's get real.
If you can afford the Glock, why are you even bothering to ask such a silly question!!
The G26 will accept your G17 mags.
The G26 has a lot more "goodies" for it!!
The G26 is NOT, I repeat NOT, a Kel-Tec in any sense of the word!!
BTW, I have two Glock 26s.
C'mon!!!
Let's get real.
If you can afford the Glock, why are you even bothering to ask such a silly question!!
The G26 will accept your G17 mags.
The G26 has a lot more "goodies" for it!!
The G26 is NOT, I repeat NOT, a Kel-Tec in any sense of the word!!
BTW, I have two Glock 26s.
Vitamin G
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Personally, I had a glock 26 and I couldn't reasonably pocket carry it even in cargo pants or khaki's with oversized pockets. I've become a fan of pocket carry since getting the kel tec .380. It makes a nice companion to a full size 1911 or BHP to me, or even by itself in front pocket. I think i could probably get away with the P11, but the glock, there's just no way.
rich52us
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I am a Glock fan, and recently got a G-30 as primary carry. I decided to move up from 9MM to .45 ACP. I carry the G-30 IWB. I've also had a G-17 for about 25 yrs. I love the G-17 but it's just a little too big for CC.
Anyway, I also have a Kel-Tec P-11 that I've had for about 8 yrs. I now have the 12 rd Kel-Tec mag for it. I've pocket carried the P-11 for all that time. It carries well in the front pocket of Docker style pants, and no one ever knows I have it. It is a comfoting feeling to be able to just put my hand in my pocket if I perceive a potential threat and have that firepower available. The trigger is long, and takes practice to get used to. I can easily keep all rds in the CM of a silouette target at 7-10 yds at the range. It has also been reliable. The only failures I have had have been due to ammo. Recently, the rear sight became a little loose. Kel-Tec replaced it at no charge. I also recently purchaced a P3AT for pocket carry in jeans, or as a rear pocket back-up to a primary. I also got a neck holster for it that works well under a shirt.
I have no criticism of the Glock 26 at all. I just think it is a little large for pocket carry, and my G-30 fits the bill for me for IW carry.
If at all possible, try to shoot both before you choose. The choice may depend on your carry method too. Good luck.
Anyway, I also have a Kel-Tec P-11 that I've had for about 8 yrs. I now have the 12 rd Kel-Tec mag for it. I've pocket carried the P-11 for all that time. It carries well in the front pocket of Docker style pants, and no one ever knows I have it. It is a comfoting feeling to be able to just put my hand in my pocket if I perceive a potential threat and have that firepower available. The trigger is long, and takes practice to get used to. I can easily keep all rds in the CM of a silouette target at 7-10 yds at the range. It has also been reliable. The only failures I have had have been due to ammo. Recently, the rear sight became a little loose. Kel-Tec replaced it at no charge. I also recently purchaced a P3AT for pocket carry in jeans, or as a rear pocket back-up to a primary. I also got a neck holster for it that works well under a shirt.
I have no criticism of the Glock 26 at all. I just think it is a little large for pocket carry, and my G-30 fits the bill for me for IW carry.
If at all possible, try to shoot both before you choose. The choice may depend on your carry method too. Good luck.
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Give me a Keltec PT-11 until the PF-9 comes out, that is if I had to carry an Auto.
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I've never shot a Kel Tec so I cannot comment on it but I would never part with my Glock 26 or 19 for that matter.
MachIVshooter
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The Glock will be more pleasant on the range, but the P-11 is definitely smaller and lighter. Also considerably less expensive (I refrain from the word "cheaper" because KT's are good guns).
My little sister is getting a P-11 for CCW.
I'd go P-11, but I can't stand Glocks of any configuration, sooooo......
My little sister is getting a P-11 for CCW.
I'd go P-11, but I can't stand Glocks of any configuration, sooooo......
10-Ring
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I really like 9mm Glocks and for a subcompact, the 26 is a jewel! Go w/ the 26
Nail Shooter
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QUOTE:
Mannlicher
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I don't think a Glock and a KelTech are in the same league.
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I was about to post the same thought, but Mannlicher beat me to it.
The KT would be considered the next tier down for just about everything related to semi autos by MOST shooters. That being said, I am intrigued by their new single stack 9mm. Are there any of them out there yet?¿
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Mannlicher
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I don't think a Glock and a KelTech are in the same league.
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I was about to post the same thought, but Mannlicher beat me to it.
The KT would be considered the next tier down for just about everything related to semi autos by MOST shooters. That being said, I am intrigued by their new single stack 9mm. Are there any of them out there yet?¿
NS
gbran
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I parked my Kahr PM9 for a G26. It's a little bigger, has more capacity and is more accurate. It has been rock solid dependable right out of the box. It isn't my first Glock. I can't speak to the Kel-Tec, not having owned one.
TOADMAN
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IMO, the Glock 26 is head and shoulders above the Kel Tech... I CC my G26 OWB in a belt holster...I don't consider the G26 a pocket gun..For pocket carry, the S&W 642 works best for me...
the naked prophet
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Having owned both, I think I can give a more detailed, more useful answer for you than some (not all) of the other posts.
I bought a Kel-Tec P11 as my first gun, ever. After a while, CCW passed in MO and I got one. I carried it for about a year and a half until I got my Browning Hi-Power (better job = more money) and the P11 was moved to backup duty.
Since then, I have acquired guns including Glocks. I eventually traded my P11 for a J-frame revolver.
The Kel-Tec is better if you can't afford the Glock. This is not a knock against the Kel-Tec; I could not have afforded to carry a gun for two years if Kel-Tec hadn't been there for me.
The Glock has less recoil. The P11 recoil isn't bad, in my opinion (but the recoil in a Glock 27 IS bad) but will be less pleasant for a range fun gun.
The P11 is smaller, and the non-square slide conceals much better in a pocket, and takes up less room in your waistband.
The Glock is built better for durability - the P11 will eventually wear out, but the Glock (with routine maintenance including recoil springs) will last a lifetime and longer. This is why I traded away my P11, I was going to wear it out and I would rather have a gun that can be shot frequently and voluminously and still be passed down to my children.
The P11, being priced lower, may require some finishing operations that were performed at the Glock factory. I understood this when I bought my P11, and I used some fine sandpaper and polishing compound to do the work that didn't cost me that extra $250. This is, in my mind, acceptable for someone who needs to save the extra cash and knows that it is necessary.
If you intend to shoot it a lot, and you can afford a Glock, there is very little reason to get a P11. The little bit of extra concealability probably doesn't make much of a difference - if it does, please remember that the P11 won't take the volume of shooting that a Glock will, and only shoot it enough to remain expert in its use.
The P11 holds a special place in my heart as my first gun and my first CCW, just like that pickle-green 1980 Plymouth Gran Fury holds a place in my heart as my first car. Now that I can afford better, I own better. But I remember where I came from, and I remember what got me to where I am.
I bought a Kel-Tec P11 as my first gun, ever. After a while, CCW passed in MO and I got one. I carried it for about a year and a half until I got my Browning Hi-Power (better job = more money) and the P11 was moved to backup duty.
Since then, I have acquired guns including Glocks. I eventually traded my P11 for a J-frame revolver.
The Kel-Tec is better if you can't afford the Glock. This is not a knock against the Kel-Tec; I could not have afforded to carry a gun for two years if Kel-Tec hadn't been there for me.
The Glock has less recoil. The P11 recoil isn't bad, in my opinion (but the recoil in a Glock 27 IS bad) but will be less pleasant for a range fun gun.
The P11 is smaller, and the non-square slide conceals much better in a pocket, and takes up less room in your waistband.
The Glock is built better for durability - the P11 will eventually wear out, but the Glock (with routine maintenance including recoil springs) will last a lifetime and longer. This is why I traded away my P11, I was going to wear it out and I would rather have a gun that can be shot frequently and voluminously and still be passed down to my children.
The P11, being priced lower, may require some finishing operations that were performed at the Glock factory. I understood this when I bought my P11, and I used some fine sandpaper and polishing compound to do the work that didn't cost me that extra $250. This is, in my mind, acceptable for someone who needs to save the extra cash and knows that it is necessary.
If you intend to shoot it a lot, and you can afford a Glock, there is very little reason to get a P11. The little bit of extra concealability probably doesn't make much of a difference - if it does, please remember that the P11 won't take the volume of shooting that a Glock will, and only shoot it enough to remain expert in its use.
The P11 holds a special place in my heart as my first gun and my first CCW, just like that pickle-green 1980 Plymouth Gran Fury holds a place in my heart as my first car. Now that I can afford better, I own better. But I remember where I came from, and I remember what got me to where I am.
My First car was a 1981 Red Dodge Diplomat, both The Grand Fury and the Diplomat looked like unmarked cop cars back in the day. Except maybe pickle green ones
Thanks for all the advice guys. I guess I wished the G26 was more pocketable like the P-11. I like my P-3at but honestly everytime I clean it, I inspect the heck out of it looking for chips or cracks. Its a great gun to carry, but I know it will not last beyond 10,000 rounds without a major factory overhaul. Small and light usually means fragile. I have a G17 and honestly a I cannot rationalize the slight drop in size to a G19. In retrospect, the G19 seems to be the best of both worlds for a new CW carrier. For me it looks like the G-26 is the way to go.
the naked prophet
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I wish they made a "smooth" Glock 26, with a more rounded slide. If they did, that would make near the perfect pocket pistol.
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