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I’d like a full size, 5” barrel, 8 round single stack .45 ACP Glock. A 1911 style Glock with actual 1911 capacity and barrel length.
I have a Gen 1 Model 17 that I gave to my Dad as a fishing sidearm, I’ll look it over when I see it again to look forward that issue.I believe the post that this quote is referencing is pointing out that Glock tend to not acknowledge they design defects by issuing a recall, but will institute an "upgrade" to address the shortcoming of the design. It is one of the reason that while Glocks are currently in their 5th Gen, the magazines are well into double digit generations.
Their first generation guns had more issues than the magazines not dropping free (they were originally design not to). The one that is usually less known (covered up) was the rapid wear of the slide at the slide stop notch. It came to light when slides stopped locking back on empty magazines
Terosean was right in pointing out Glock has repeatedly issued new generation guns as they address performance or ergonomic issues over time
I do not recall Glock or H&K ever issuing one of those for a reason like that, unlike Ford, Toyota, Volvo, Chevy, etc.
"GLOCK Perfection" is a marketing slogan, not one of the 613 commandments in the Torah.
Some people really need to lighten up.
They could offer more models with the MOS
There is a lot more arrogance in claiming "Perfection" than there is to avoiding "Settle" or "Compromise". The first is a claim of an existing state, while the latter two offer choice.Somehow Sigs “Never Settle” and HK’s No Compromise slogans don’t get similar hate, even though they pretty much imply the same thing (the other guy ain’t no good!).
I was thinking of getting a new Gen 5 Glock 17. I can get it in the Blue Label program for $450. I have a Ruger PC9 that uses Glock mags so there’s that. But the S&W M&P 2.0 feels so much nicer in my hands.
Some people obsessively create their own world where glock has victimized them. From the hand grip, "it just doesn't fit my hand" to "why do people upgrade every single part?, it must not be so perfect then huh?" lolSomehow Sigs “Never Settle” and HK’s No Compromise slogans don’t get similar hate, even though they pretty much imply the same thing (the other guy ain’t no good!).
It’s just another form of group think and excuse to complain about a brand people don’t like.
The “grip angle” thing always gets me (it’s the palm swell, not the angle) as I think many if not most folks complaining about it never have taken the time to actually learn it and might change their tune if they put the time in. I know I was one of them, converted from a “hater” to enthusiast by simply taking the time to learn the gun. Applied to the trigger too. I used to be a big trigger snob until I finally realized the issue was between my ears and simply putting in the time makes just about any trigger work just fine.
On the flip side, as has been noted, there is such a wide and wonderful selection out there that folks don’t NEED to put the time in to learn, they can just find a platform that works better for them.
The trigger dingus on a Glock is a joke. It’s not a safety. It’s totally unnatural to place your finger above that dingus to pull the trigger. Your finger, a strap, or anything else that gets into that trigger guard is going to pull that trigger. The firing pin block is standard on virtually all modern semi autos. The “three safety” slogan they use is intentionally misleading and created to persuade new buyers who don’t know much about guns. It’s like saying “Frosted Flakes is part of this nutritious breakfast”. Sure it is.
EXACTLY.
The "trigger safety" is a drop safety and they even say that on their website. They also make a token statement that it prevents the trigger from actuating under any pressure that "isn't a direct firing pull", which is horse pucky. I can apply a pressure that "isn't a direct firing pull" to their trigger and get it to actuate...all that pressure has to do is depress the lever in the process. I can apply lateral pressure to any number of other triggers and not have them actuate. Anything which enters the trigger guard area has the potential to actuate their trigger...just like any other trigger design.
"The trigger safety is designed to prevent the pistol from firing if it’s dropped or if the trigger is subjected to any pressure that isn’t a direct firing pull."
Some people obsessively create their own world where glock has victimized them. From the hand grip, "it just doesn't fit my hand" to "why do people upgrade every single part?, it must not be so perfect then huh?" lol
I had a friend who loved to trash my glocks and call it tupperware for over 20 years and praised his P229r as if it was created by the Gods. One visit, he told me not to laugh, and behold, he now has a Glock 23 as his carry gun. lol.
I started with glock, then a couple years later I tried out sig, then hk, thinking i was missing out on some big picture concept that you can only comprehend by jumping in with both feet. But in the end, after spending nearly double the money on several sigs and hks, I just stick with glocks for SD.
I'm not a Glock guy, but this seemed unlikely to me, so I looked it up.... I suspect many folks would love to be able to own a Glock MOS model in their favorite caliber (perhaps .45ACP) and not have to choose between their favorite caliber (let’s say .45ACP) OR an MOS model in a less preferred caliber (let’s say 9mm) since they don’t make any MOS .45ACPs.
I'm not a Glock guy, but this seemed unlikely to me, so I looked it up.
https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g41-gen4-mos
Can you talk about a real world situation where this has affected you? Can you point to any in the media where this has been the reason for some tragedy?
I've only seen self inflicted tragedies that arose from the Safety features of some guns and the people who insist on teaching unsafe methods of carry.
Instructors want to teach in some cases it is better to have a magazine with no round in the chamber. People are still peddling that garbage and it gets people killed. I watched a store owner not too long ago get shot to death in front of his kid cause he pulled his gun on an armed robber and pulled the trigger and nothing happened... so while fumbling the robber just raised his gun and shot him.
Please tell me what is more simpler than drawing your pistol and pulling the trigger? To date, supposed true 1911 to the core fans are still drawing their pistols and shooting themselves in the leg. Ever read a witness statement where they explain how the gun was defective cause when they kept trying to pull the trigger and it wouldn't budge?... read that on many sigs as well as shotguns. NDs are always traced back to the person doing something incorrectly. I have never read that a glock went off cause of a broom handle or a screwdriver. Even Dancing FBI Guy in CO didn't have an ND when his gun flew off while doing a backflip.... that is until he reached down and pulled that trigger when he picked it up.
I've always thought the description of the 3 safeties in the trigger was a stretch, but other than people pulling their triggers as the cause for NDs, I'm not sure there are any other causes... if so, I'd like to know of them.
Remember that old song.....If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life. Never make a pretty woman your wife.......I just think they're ugly as sin and with so many other quality choices on the market, I see no reason to own an ugly gun.
No... we're good. I just thought that there was more to it.And before anybody cares to take up the issue of whether or not I own a Glock...I do not. And I freely admit the reason I won't get one has absolutely nothing to do with their quality or other similar aspects. They are, by any measure, a quality firearm with an outstanding history in support of this. I just think they're ugly as sin and with so many other quality choices on the market, I see no reason to own an ugly gun.
I'm not a Glock guy, but this seemed unlikely to me, so I looked it up.
https://us.glock.com/en/pistols/g41-gen4-mos
No... we're good. I just thought that there was more to it.
And I don't know of any semi autos that aren't butt ugly. So I don't even see how other's look any better than a glock. Revolvers catch my eye... that's about it.