Queen_of_Thunder
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For a moment I thought a G41 might be a Gock in 41mag. Oh well. I can hope.
Glock G41 confirmed?
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snapshot762
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It's a Glock, not interested.
Unless it's a dedicated .22LR or a pocket 9mm I'm not interested.
Why can't Glock be more flexible with their design? They often ignore popular market demands and then offer some wild tangent with little demand. A Glock 36 slide on a Glock 30 frame? Really? I really wish they would be more creative.
Why can't Glock be more flexible with their design? They often ignore popular market demands and then offer some wild tangent with little demand. A Glock 36 slide on a Glock 30 frame? Really? I really wish they would be more creative.
You're forgetting that Glock also has a market for their 34 and 24 with police SWAT teams. If you buy a "blue label" 34 through the GSSF purchase program, it's likely not going to have the 3.5 connector like the civilian models. I'd bet the 41 is being produced more at the request of police agencies than competition shooters.
Btw, Browninh HiPowers didn't have drop free mags either, by design. Unless you get those crappy 10 round ones with the external spring on them.
They don't give a crap about "popular market demand". They are backed up on production and sell every firearm they make, primarily through govt. and agency contracts. Civilian sales are just icing on the cake. They especially don't care what a bunch of idiots on the Internet want.
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Lol.
Don't hold back hex..
Don't hold back hex..
Company with this kind of attitude won't last long, and nor should it. Although I am not saying Glock do have that attitude.
For most pistol sales, government agency purchase is only a small fraction of of civilian sales. About 700~800 thousands of full time, and may be about a million including non-full time, police officers compared to a significant portion of over 300 million population? Also take into account that government agencies do not pay anywhere near the price per unit as civilians do.
It is the civilian demand that keeps the gun industry, and that's the way it should be. There is no way gun manufacturers would be where they are now without U.S. gun owners.
You're only assuming US sales. It's a big world. Within the past year or so, they got the contract to supply the UK military.
I work in a Big Box gun shop part time. We rarely put our Glocks on sale, especially compared to the other brands we carry. We have little or no problem selling them at retail. I would still assert that the 19/23 frame sizes are among the hottest guns in the American market. We also sell every 30SF and 36 we get fairly quickly too.
To be fair the 26/27 don't sell like they use too. But Glock is still doing plenty of business in the US. And while I too wish they would make a slim 9, they are still very relevant in the market.
To be fair the 26/27 don't sell like they use too. But Glock is still doing plenty of business in the US. And while I too wish they would make a slim 9, they are still very relevant in the market.
Actually, I put more into consideration than you think.
Military contacts do not come all the time. They come and go. Even if there is a purchase program there is no guarantee a particular company will get the contract.
U.S. Military is far lager than that of UK, but do you think Beretta will survive just by catering to U.S. miliary? I think they did just that, and look at where they are now.
Even if I assume only 1/3 of US population buys guns, that is over 100 million. I do not think all the active duty soldiers in top 100 strongest country, military wise, put together will still top that. Of course, not all of them buys pistols, but then again, not all soldiers are issued pistols either. UK forces have about 205000 active personnel, but only buying 25000 pistols. Also, consider that many pistol buying U.S. civilian buys more than one. Even significant number of cops buy their own guns, lot of them by choice when ther are issued a pistol.
Also, to put things into proper perspective, global military and police market is not free competition. China has far more number of soldiers than us or even Russia, but I do not see China's military buying anything other than what is made in China anytime soon. Not only there is a national pride issue to nationalistic countries, there is also an interest to protect domestic defense industry. It's the same reason why you won't see Italian army usning any rifle other than ones with Beretta logo on it any time soon. Police wise, many countries have different culture and concept of policing compared to U.S. Most street cops in Japan do not carry pistols. A lot of countries are content with worn out handed down guns, not because it performs well, but their administration are stupid.
Look at pistols like HK45, Mk23 etc. Huge investment for R&D, aimed for government sales, but very limited adoption in the end. Companies like H&K would have been far more hesitant if they could not count on civilian sales. Probably American civilians bought more HK45c than NAVY SEAL did.
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plouffedaddy
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I'll be putting one in my safe 
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Queen_of_Thunder said:
Far too much work involved for a one trick pony company like Glock. They tried to reinvent the wheel with the 45GAP to fit their frames but that didn't turn out well.
HexHead said:
I have yet to see any gun store stick with the Blue label program for more than a few years. The owner of a store I found the other day was explaining some of the unnecessary paperwork required to get blue label firearms. Police have little use for a longer barrel as most of their pistol shooting takes place at distances a CCW shooter would be concerned with.
Couple things. Glock makes a tremendous amount of money on every gun it sells, whether it be to law enforcement, military, or civilians.
http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0331/020.html
And that was in 2003. Glock adopted a marketing strategy that by discounting from the MSRP heavily to law enforcement and military, they would gain traction in a smaller, but highly-influential segment of the market. I don't know how many times I've heard "I want a Glock because that's what cops carry". But believe me, they made good margin on every gun sold to LEO's too. The civilian market is the most important because 1) its the biggest and 2) it carries the most margin.
From the same article:
And yet 10 years later, that's exactly what its become. You say 'He's got a Glock.' and everyone knows you are talking about a handgun. Its getting to be like 'coke' or 'frisbee'.
Second, the Europeans have always had a thing for wanting to hold onto their magazines. Consider that many fine police guns in Europe have or had heel mag releases. I don't exactly understand why this is, and I've never understood the point of a reload-with-retention in IDPA either. IF I needed to use my gun, and IF I had to reload because of a lack of ammo or a malfunction, I see no benefit in retaining the magazine. Even if it still contains rounds, if there was a malfunction, that mag should be considered suspect until it can be full evaluated in controlled conditions. I guess maybe when you are issued a SIG-210 and the mags are like $100 / piece you might want to hold onto them in practice, but when your life depends on it? No way. As to why the Glock mags didn't initially drop free, I don't know. Call it a feature or a mistake...either way its fixed now.
http://www.forbes.com/global/2003/0331/020.html
And that was in 2003. Glock adopted a marketing strategy that by discounting from the MSRP heavily to law enforcement and military, they would gain traction in a smaller, but highly-influential segment of the market. I don't know how many times I've heard "I want a Glock because that's what cops carry". But believe me, they made good margin on every gun sold to LEO's too. The civilian market is the most important because 1) its the biggest and 2) it carries the most margin.
From the same article:
And yet 10 years later, that's exactly what its become. You say 'He's got a Glock.' and everyone knows you are talking about a handgun. Its getting to be like 'coke' or 'frisbee'.
Second, the Europeans have always had a thing for wanting to hold onto their magazines. Consider that many fine police guns in Europe have or had heel mag releases. I don't exactly understand why this is, and I've never understood the point of a reload-with-retention in IDPA either. IF I needed to use my gun, and IF I had to reload because of a lack of ammo or a malfunction, I see no benefit in retaining the magazine. Even if it still contains rounds, if there was a malfunction, that mag should be considered suspect until it can be full evaluated in controlled conditions. I guess maybe when you are issued a SIG-210 and the mags are like $100 / piece you might want to hold onto them in practice, but when your life depends on it? No way. As to why the Glock mags didn't initially drop free, I don't know. Call it a feature or a mistake...either way its fixed now.
Forgive me for wanting a company to tailor it's product to customer demand. I know that's such a strange concept, that most other companies seem to adopt more readily than Glock. I realize that sales-wise it may not be necessary for them at the moment, but I hardly believe it would be pursued at a loss. They are edging themselves out of a lot of markets by not expanding their product line.
I find it odd that they release new models that seem pointless (supposedly in the interest of market demand) when other more obvious concepts have been in popular demand for years. I am a big Glock fan. However, I find their unwillingness to broaden their product line in a significant way disappointing.
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I recently bought a model 21 for my nightstand. If I had the choice, I would have preferred the 41 for that role.
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