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Ok, so i am thinking about getting a glock 19, i just read the thread about the kb's, do i need to worry about them if i shoot wally-world ammo and the HP now and then?
So a side note reguardless of make or model revolver or autoloader I have yet to see a KB that DID NOT involve a progressive reloading press. Flame away
my glock 19 and all the 19's that i have experience with and shot over the years have been extremely reliable. You will be fine as long as you stick with factory ammo,wwb is perfect. or reloads that you do yourself or those that other people load as long as you trust thier work. Don't go shooting "gun show" reloads and you will be alright!
why a glock 17 only people that have those are people that need extensions of there man hood that they are lacking so they have to make up for it somewhere!
really though If i wouldn't have got my 19 at such a good deal than the 17 would have been mine!
The Portland Oregon PD kabooms is a true story but it was the 40 cal pistols not 45's . It was a problem with some hot loads and the unsupported chambers and it was the news of the day for about a week here in the NW . Glock was quick on the ball to stay in their god graces , incidently it was about the same time Tacoma decided to authorize Kimber 1911s for duty carry .
The Portland situation involved .45ACP Glocks, not .40S&W. The loads used were allegedly factory ammunition and there has not been anything proven either way about the "heat" of the loads.
There was an impasse between Glock and the Portland PD. The PD wouldn't release the damaged guns to Glock for inspection and Glock wouldn't do anything until they could inspect the guns at the Glock factory in GA. That was the state of affairs the last time I read anything about it.
I have two G17's for USPSA and IPSC. They have "many" flawless rounds through them.
I have two G23's for CCW and IDPA. They have "many flwless rounds through them.
Wife has a G26, that has been great.
A new G20, is proving to be a great pistol.
While I'm not a big fan of Glocks, I have to say that the odds of an individual shooter using factory ammo or reloads that are not pushing the limits of a case seeing a kB are very low. It happens, but it is not common enough that I've ever met someone in real life who's ever had it happen to them.
The 9mm Glocks are particularly unlikely to have a problem. The G-19 should give you plenty of solid and reliable service.
(Of course, there are better compact 9mm pistols out there, but that's another topic )
Well I guess i am not completely sold on the g19, I like the g17 a hair more because the grip isnt as wide and , well I have small hands. ( ok almost girly)
anyway i just wonder would i have any trouble concealing the 17?
Not saying Glocks are bad but it is hardly a BS story either. As for why the other departments haven't seen a problem.... Maybe they just issue anemic ammo .
Between poor handloads and bullet setback [ from chambering a round multiple times] those are the causes of most kbs. They've happened with most makes and all cartridges !!
Despite hearing and reading dozens of stories of Glock KBs, the only two I have personally witnessed were with 1911s and reloads. In both cases it was double charges from in-attentive reloading.
A few years ago I had the pleasure of running a large county owned outdoor rifle and pistol range. This facility serviced a population of about 3 million and is used by Federal, State and local LEO’s. This allowed me to observe literally millions of rounds go downrange. (Note: this includes at least 200,000/yr of my personal reloads assembled on my five Dillon progressives.) The shooters ranged from Olympic gold mentalist to gang banger want-to-be’s and the firearms used included examples of almost anything produced in the last 150 years. During this time I observed 10 to 12 KB’s. On several occasions I was close enough to be hit by flying mag springs, floor plates etc.
There were several common items associated with every one of these incidents. First every one was a 1911, second every one of the 1911 had been “modified” for improved feeding and finally as far as I know, reloads were involved in all cases (none of mine thank God!). This is in no way a slam on the 1911, as I own 14 of them at present. At one time I had as many as seven Glocks and fired thousands of rounds of reloads (mostly the evil no-no lead SWC) without a single problem. I have found that if a little common sense is used in gun modifications and ammo selection the chances of a KB due to a particular gun design is very low.
The only Glock I've ever seen blow up was a 9mm Glock. The person came into the armorer's area with the pieces. Other than slight memory loss, he was apparently unharmed--but he couldn't remember what kind of ammunition he had been using.
After he left, one of his buddies who witnessed the "blessed event" wandered in and confirmed what the armorer already strongly suspected. The witness' memory was fortunately undamaged by the occurrence and he stated that it had been reloaded. According to his shooting buddy, it was the shooter's first attempt at reloading.
I'd run a search on glocktalk re: kb's for the lowdown.
I've noticed the kb's I've read about dealt with the .40's and a couple of other calibers that do not have supported chambers. None involved 9mm's.
The 9mm's are some of the most robust guns you can buy. You can basically pour as many rounds of +p+ ammo as you'd like through a 9mm Glock and it will keep on going. Submachine gun ammo? No problem. The Glock eats it all.
My G19 spits out +p+ ammo like bb's. Its not a pretty gun, its not unique, but it boes "bang" every time I pull the trigger and it puts them where I point them better than any 9mm I've shot. Mine has never jammed, and its just a joy to shoot. Get one. You won't regret it.
-David
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