Mr. Mysterious
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Doesn't it have to do with the polyganol rifling?
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Lone, I have never gotten a good answer from Glock. They don't want you to shoot reloads either. There is a theory that the poly rifling does not "bite" the bullet enough which could cause the bullet to skid on the rifling. I have not seen this however. Recovered bullets have a nice rifling pattern.
A lot of European Glock shooters use lead bullets due to the high cost of jacketed bullets there.
I guess a lead bullet that is too hard or soft could cause problems. I am just not certain which would be worst. I have used both Valiant and Magnus lead bullets with equal success.
A lot of European Glock shooters use lead bullets due to the high cost of jacketed bullets there.
I guess a lead bullet that is too hard or soft could cause problems. I am just not certain which would be worst. I have used both Valiant and Magnus lead bullets with equal success.
Dean Speir
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PO2Hammer asserts:
Comes now one Albert Shear with a number of demonstrably unsupportable declamations by which he presumes to speak with authority:
Seriously, Mr. Shear, your comments about Glock and its European origins are well-founded, and even documented… in The Gun Zone, of course. The first such design change for that "crazy American market where everyone makes their own cartridges," was the abandoning of the "pencil barrel" on the Models 17. The entire reloading discipline was a major shock to Herr Glock and his minions in Deutsch-Wagram.
Federal Hi-Shok is PBB's practice ammunition, not some regionally remanufactured round or even an OEM.
As this was practice ammunition issued at the range during instruction or qualification, "setback" would not be an issue… and rarely is in .45 ACP as it is in, say, the .40 S&W.
After taking the damaged Glock Models 21 off the line, as well as the factory ammunition, it was determined that it was not ammo-related, and that there had been logged a similar event with the same set of conditions several years ago. Accordingly, PBB has just done something which Glock, Inc./Glock Ges.m.b.H. has never done… recalled a Glock pistol.
It must also be noted that the Glock/PBB relationship has been a rocky one for at least 14 years.
In witness whereof, you offer what exactly?
Comes now one Albert Shear with a number of demonstrably unsupportable declamations by which he presumes to speak with authority:
- Have not!
- Um, "…and now Berettas?" Unfortunately for your dubious thesis, your command of the facts is tenuous at best, which even a modicum of research will reveal. You're welcome to your opinions, but if you are to maintain any sort of credibility, theose opinions should have a basis in fact.
- Huh?
Too late… I think I was, w-a-a-a-a-y back in '91 with the Models 22 and 23 started disassembling themselves, spontaneously.
You weenie! A real man would be using 9BP/LE!
Seriously, Mr. Shear, your comments about Glock and its European origins are well-founded, and even documented… in The Gun Zone, of course. The first such design change for that "crazy American market where everyone makes their own cartridges," was the abandoning of the "pencil barrel" on the Models 17. The entire reloading discipline was a major shock to Herr Glock and his minions in Deutsch-Wagram.
Good questions all, Mr. Shear, and answered in part by Mr. Beck…
Federal Hi-Shok is PBB's practice ammunition, not some regionally remanufactured round or even an OEM.
As this was practice ammunition issued at the range during instruction or qualification, "setback" would not be an issue… and rarely is in .45 ACP as it is in, say, the .40 S&W.
After taking the damaged Glock Models 21 off the line, as well as the factory ammunition, it was determined that it was not ammo-related, and that there had been logged a similar event with the same set of conditions several years ago. Accordingly, PBB has just done something which Glock, Inc./Glock Ges.m.b.H. has never done… recalled a Glock pistol.
It must also be noted that the Glock/PBB relationship has been a rocky one for at least 14 years.
Grump
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Well, this is so close to being a dead horse I could puke. Here's why...
Even using Oregon Trail bullets, the light leading I get has proven tenacious and difficult to fully remove. Special lead-remover solvents help, but not nearly as much as a Lewis Lead Remover. Since the first first-hand report I ever heard was from Gunsite and involved about 800 rounds of .40 without a cleaning, I tend to believe that the dreaded kB! is most likely when shooting lead.
But they happen with jacketed, and they *seem* to happen with name-brand factory food more often than with other firearms. This does NOT appear to be the same as the old .38 Super/IPSC major of 175 problem that led to widespread adoption of ramped and fully-supported barrels in the 1911 pistol.
But since Glock can do no wrong and there is so little hard data out there, we can't even do a rudimentary rough-estimate analysis of how frequently kB!s happen.
And those who nit-pick Dean S's reporting have sometimes exhibited some rather fuzzy thinking which would have totally obstructed most technological development. Experience directs research which should lead to hard, repeatable, statistically reliable data. Dean reports the experiences, Glock won't let us have data for retrospective study, and no one has financed hard research. But since we *don't* have statistically reliable data, then Glocks are completely safe!!
So were cigarettes in the 1940s.
I stay careful, but the factory-load kB!s leave me a bit uneasy. Show me where the frequency if Glock kB!s is within normal expectations for ammo production goofs (you know, RECALLS) of that magnitude, and then I will breathe easier and know it's within the overall risks of getting out of bed in the morning.
Yeah, and I've tried repeatedly to find out just what the "specs" are for a Glock, specifically to check this out. No one on this Board has been able to answer my question (Search the Gunsmithing forum).
Even using Oregon Trail bullets, the light leading I get has proven tenacious and difficult to fully remove. Special lead-remover solvents help, but not nearly as much as a Lewis Lead Remover. Since the first first-hand report I ever heard was from Gunsite and involved about 800 rounds of .40 without a cleaning, I tend to believe that the dreaded kB! is most likely when shooting lead.
But they happen with jacketed, and they *seem* to happen with name-brand factory food more often than with other firearms. This does NOT appear to be the same as the old .38 Super/IPSC major of 175 problem that led to widespread adoption of ramped and fully-supported barrels in the 1911 pistol.
But since Glock can do no wrong and there is so little hard data out there, we can't even do a rudimentary rough-estimate analysis of how frequently kB!s happen.
And those who nit-pick Dean S's reporting have sometimes exhibited some rather fuzzy thinking which would have totally obstructed most technological development. Experience directs research which should lead to hard, repeatable, statistically reliable data. Dean reports the experiences, Glock won't let us have data for retrospective study, and no one has financed hard research. But since we *don't* have statistically reliable data, then Glocks are completely safe!!
So were cigarettes in the 1940s.
I stay careful, but the factory-load kB!s leave me a bit uneasy. Show me where the frequency if Glock kB!s is within normal expectations for ammo production goofs (you know, RECALLS) of that magnitude, and then I will breathe easier and know it's within the overall risks of getting out of bed in the morning.
Grump, lead is easily removed from any barrel with a 50/50 mix of hydrogen peroxide and vinegar. Plug the barrel, fill it up and let it sit for 15 min. Any lead in the barrel is completely removed with just a couple of passes with a bronze brush and a patch.
George Hill
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*sigh*
This thread is closed for being blatantly useless.
This thread is closed for being blatantly useless.
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