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i've always believed that reliability is key when leaving a gun stock or the way it was intended to perform. like a car, the more you mod it, the less reliable it becomes. (aftermarket parts) anyways the topic today involves glock magazines.

let me start out by saying i purchased my first handgun in about 2007, a glock 22 and left it bone stock. around the 1500 round mark the gun finally had it's first malfunction, a stovepipe with blazer steel case 165gr (the cheap stuff from walmart). it was also a cold day as i recall it so no biggie.

in january i got my ccw permit and bought a glock 27. I also got the pierce magazine extension on it and have not had any problems with it so far, however when i use the factory glock 22 magazines in the glock 27, I keep getting the round tilted down in the magazine after firing and the slide would lock on the rim of the round. I would have to drop the mag and rack the slide to clear it. I tried not gripping the mag and just the grip but still same problem. My friend has the same two guns and he says his g22 mags work fine in the g27. I don't know if I'm the only one having this issue? i tried all 3 g22 mags i had in my new g27 and the magazine kept jamming like it's binding up or something, the three g27 mags i had ran 100% in the g27. we tried a g23 mag and it also jammed...

the other day we went back out to the range and i put one of my pierce extensions on one g22 mag in the g22, along with a 6" extended barrel and flashlight. Fired several rounds and had the same jam i had with my g27 involving the mag.

i don't know, maybe it's time for new g22 mags? or springs? i don't keep them loaded and they are all factory. i'm just gonna leave the g22 mags stock for the g22 and the pierce grip on the g27 because they run fine in the g27. it's kind of frustrating because i was hoping to carrying the g22 mags as spare for the g27. anyone have a similar experience or suggestions? the g22 has about 2000 rounds and the g27 about 200. i like to keep them clean too, oh and the ammo used is winchester white box 165-180gr. I know it's not the best but it's rather a magazine issue, not ammo.
 
i also notice the g22 mags only jam in the g27 when there are 10+ rounds in the mag. binding? not enough spring tension? is the g27 cycle a bit stiffer? need a break in the spring?
 
I really wish I could help you with this one but it kinda baffles me. I have a Glock 23 I bought in 1993 and I am still using one of the magazines I got back then, and it has spent the entire time loaded and still works perfectly. I also have a new GLock 22 mag I use as well and that works fine.

Maybe try buying a new G22 mag since they aren't too expensive and give it a try in both guns and see if the same problem still exists? I am curious to see what others say.

IIRC, Glock 22's have been known in the past to have reliability issues with a light mounted on the gun. Maybe you could also do the same test with the G22 without the light on it and see if that changes anything.
 
i read a bit about the light issue on the glocks, that's why they went to a different spring system in the gen 4 but that's designed for higher pressure loads not like the winchesters i'm shooting. I'm just gonna keep the mags stock for the g22 and try to run 100 round with and without the light.
 
Interchangeable mags-aren't.

Pick up some more G27 mags on the cheap and make them range use. The only good thing IMO about Glocks is how popular they get rotated around. I see Glock 22 mags for $5 at a local gun shop. But when I wanted a third mag for my Walther, it was special order and $80.
 
Can you try different G22 magazines in the G22/G27 and see if it will duplicate the problem?

I have a lot of G22 magazines that I use in G23/G27 and they all work fine as long as the mag followers are not worn or mag springs are not weak (I replace worn mag springs with Wolff 10% extra power springs).
 
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Your 22 jammed because of the light and that is a well documented issue. For your 27 try G23 or 27 mags. You cooks also cal glock and see if they want to fix it.
 
i don't know if it was the light that made the g22 jam but like i said before, the round in the magazine was tilted down and the slide caught the back of the rim causing it to lock. i'm going to try new mags along with springs and see how it work with the light on.
 
Ehtereon11B said:
I see Glock 22 mags for $5 at a local gun shop.

Would you provide the address of that shop, please?

My G22 Gen4 runs flawlessly with a TRL-2 attached. All kinds of ammo including my reloads (and lead through a SL barrel).

I've been thinking about acquiring a G27, but if this mag issue is pervasive, I'll reconsider. This is actually the only case I've heard of G22 mag problems in a G27.
 
IF you're going to use G22 mags in a G27, get an A&G mag sleeve. It prevents the mag's rocking back-and-forth and causing the problems that you describe. Nothing wrong with your Glocks that adjusting the nut behind the trigger won't straighten out.
 
Would you provide the address of that shop, please?
Hoover Tactical Firearms
1561 Montgomery Hwy.
Hoover, Alabama 35226

They are rather sketchy though.
 
man i was really hoping to upgrade to a tlr-1s but after much research i've read it's nothing but problems for the g22 3rd gen. maybe i should reconsider not using a light at all... this previous light scratched the heck out of my rail cause i didn't tighten it all the way. makes me wanna sell it and get another one, maybe a gen 4... i just hate to texture on it, i just wish it was a 3rd gen with the new recoil assembly.
 
I own a 27, 23, and 22. I have at least five magazines for eachfor a total of 19 I think. Magazines have always proven to be perfectly reliable in the "non native" guns. The native G22's mags work in all three, the g23's work in the 23 and 27. In fact, I got a half dozen or so magazine sleeves to fit the G23's mags to make the grip more comfortable when using the G23 mags in the G27.

Maybe I'm just lucky.
 
I havd an issue with my issued G22 that was made in 2005. It has been flawless until my dept. approved the use of weapon mounted lights. I carried it with the light on it for a few months before I found out that the gun would jam quite regularly. A few calls later we were told to change out the mag springs to an 11 coil spring. All is well and the gun cycles fine now. I also had failure to feeds when I used the mags in my g27, before the springs were changed.
 
I havd an issue with my issued G22 that was made in 2005. It has been flawless until my dept. approved the use of weapon mounted lights. I carried it with the light on it for a few months before I found out that the gun would jam quite regularly. A few calls later we were told to change out the mag springs to an 11 coil spring. All is well and the gun cycles fine now. I also had failure to feeds when I used the mags in my g27, before the springs were changed.

thanks for the input, hope that trick works.
 
I own a 27, 23, and 22. I have at least five magazines for eachfor a total of 19 I think. Magazines have always proven to be perfectly reliable in the "non native" guns. The native G22's mags work in all three, the g23's work in the 23 and 27. In fact, I got a half dozen or so magazine sleeves to fit the G23's mags to make the grip more comfortable when using the G23 mags in the G27.

Maybe I'm just lucky.

most of my guns have been good, the only real problem i had was with a brand new savage 93r17. it was like one issue to the next... it had more issues than my .22lr auto loaders.
 
my g22 works fine with lights mounted on it. I was pretty sure glocks fix for that was with the magazine. I believe they added one more coil in the magazine spring and that avoided the issue people were having with the g22's. try it with a newer magazine.
 
i just checked and all my g22 mags have the 11 coil spring... maybe just worn?
 
I recall reading somewhere's that the G27, specifically, is not guaranteed to work with G22 mags. IOW, Glock considers it within spec if your G27 does not work with a G22 mag in it. The reason it can jam is the cyclic rate is faster than the G22/23. Faster than the G26, even. The G22 mag might not be able to move the next round fast enough.

When you put a flashlight on your G22 rail, you speed up the cyclic rate. Something to do with the less muzzle rise and the stiffening of the frame. Faster cyclic rate leads to the same jams that can happen with the G27 using G22 mags.

Aftermarket "+10%" springs might cure your ails.
 
IIRC, Glock 22's have been known in the past to have reliability issues with a light mounted on the gun. Maybe you could also do the same test with the G22 without the light on it and see if that changes anything.

Couple guys on another forum I belong to have the same issue with their .40 S&W SIG SP2022. Those are plastic frame as well.
 
FWIW, blazer is not steel cased ammo, it's aluminum.
If it's perfection, why are they on the fourth generation?
if it's perfection, why is there an ongoing recall?
 
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