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Black Butte
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Another vote for unattended guns left in vehicles being irresponsible.
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I don't see leaving a concealed weapon in a locked car as irresponsible.
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So the extra rifle or your PD handgun left locked in the truck in hunting camp is irresponsible?
How about the gun left in the dresser drawer or closet shelf, is the glass in your house impenetrable? How about all those toolbox and boat guns so often spoken about in the old HiPoint threads, is having a gun left unattended to in ones shop or garage irresponsible as well? I know some farmers that keep guns in their tractor and combine cabs, are they irresponsible as well?
I'm inclined to believe that one should keep guns out of the reach of un educated youngsters but if I lock it up in my house, car, garage or behind the gate to my place and some crook steals it and does ill it's on them.
The Hi-Point would be far more appropriate candidate. The .357 rimless is worthless (try to sell or trade one in) and G21 is probably the best combat handgun available so putting one into glove compartment of a vehicle is pretty dumb idea. Arming a thief with such fine weapon is almost sacrilegious. With selection of G21SF you arrived at top of the class, I will give you that.
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Ummmm...what, exactly, makes the .357 rimless "worthless"? If this is based solely on trying to "sell or trade one in", then I respectfully submit that this is a faulty evaluation.
A true evaluation would be one that is based on the need of the OP, which is to obtain a "Glock truck gun". To that end, an evaluation should be made based on the weapon's actual functional characteristics, not whether or not he'll be able to resell it or trade it in. Things such as reliability, accuracy, and power, for example.
The OP has also stated that he's already narrowed down his desired selections to one of two choices: "G21 SF 45 acp or G31 in 357 Sig". And he's asked for opinions on one over the other, which presumably includes practical justifications as to why.
If the "G21 is probably the best combat handgun available", then it seems to me that this would be a positive tick mark for the OP, as one would naturally want the best he could get for something that he may have to rely upon to save his life someday.
If your concern, or the concern of ANY other individual here, has to do with "arming a thief", then I also respectfully submit that any thief so inclined will have just about as easy a time breaking into a house and stealing "such a fine weapon" as they would a car.
Steps CAN be made to secure a firearm in a vehicle by reasonable means, as many have already pointed out. It's not that difficult. Thieves are opportunists, meaning that they weigh risk with opportunity all the time because they don't want to get caught. Thus, breaking into any vehicle for theft is going to be, literally, a "smash and grab". Detailed searches and any other time consuming activity is to be avoided because every second means an opportunity to be seen/identified or caught outright.
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A closet and dresser drawer are not "in a vehicle." Nor did I say anything about "hunting camp."
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Incorrect.
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If someone steals my car and crashes it into a school bus, am I guilty of something? If someone steals my wallet and buys his next fix with the cash, am I abetting his addiction?
No, Sir. I am not responsible for what a thief does with anything he steals from me, be it from my vehicle, my house, or my person. He is a thief, and once he steals my whatever, I can no longer control its use. The thief is solely responsible for what he does with it. I bear no burden of guilt.
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To the OP
Between the two I would go with the G21. Its a great shooting gun. You might think about which one you shoot better one handed. Having a free hand might just help you wheel away from a potential problem and not have to shoot. Just a thought.
To the people who think I am responsible if someone smashes my truck window, breaks into my locked truck, finds my hidden gun, and uses it for nefarious purposes.
I am not the criminal. I didn't do anything wrong. I didn’t hand a criminal a gun. They stole it.
Sheesh
Between the two I would go with the G21. Its a great shooting gun. You might think about which one you shoot better one handed. Having a free hand might just help you wheel away from a potential problem and not have to shoot. Just a thought.
To the people who think I am responsible if someone smashes my truck window, breaks into my locked truck, finds my hidden gun, and uses it for nefarious purposes.
I am not the criminal. I didn't do anything wrong. I didn’t hand a criminal a gun. They stole it.
Sheesh
Ok. You believe in leaving valuables in unattended vehicle. I grew up in Brooklyn and based on experience have different point of view from you. Keep you Glock in vehicle 24/7 if that is what you want. Why the long rant?
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I guess you have magic glass on your house windows that keep your dresser draws safe and sound.
As to the other, in my state there is no mandate or criteria for storage so my statement would be as correct as if I stored it anywhere else. In fact storage in your vehichele is required when visiting a school.
I don't live in Brooklyn but if I did I probably wouldn't store my gun in my house without a security container (safe).
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What does "magic glass" have to do with anything? You seem confused.
Irrelevant. My comment concerned the permanent or semi-permanent vehicular storage option, not forced temporary storage as mandated by law. A law takes responsibility out of the equation because compliance is forced by a regulating entity.
My comment still stands.
That is what the Nancy Pelosis of the world are trying to make everyone think....
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HOOfan_1, unsupported declarations carry no weight.
*Note: My comment applies to HOOfan_1's comment before he edited it.
*Note: My comment applies to HOOfan_1's comment before he edited it.
It wasn't that bad in summer when out of school I used to help close deli sore at midnight in rather sultry neighborhood and never felt thretened. On the other hand I would not leave quarter on seat in locked vehicle because with insurance deductible car windows are expensive to replace.
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Opinions are the only thing being bandied about in this thread. There are no absolutes.
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Opinions are fine. An unsupported declaration, however, is different from an opinion, unless you specifically state it's an opinion. In my original post, for example, I stated: "Another vote for unattended guns left in vehicles being irresponsible." The words "another vote" explicitly indicate that my statement was an opinion.
beatledog7
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No. Unless the poster cites specific, factual support, we can assume whatever he or she says is his or her opinion. Even this.
RetiredUSNChief
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The long comment was because I was addressing other issues you brought up, not just the leaving of "probably the best combat handgun available" in a vehicle for someone to steal.
Any your point about having grown up on Brooklyn is noted...however, this isn't germane to the OP because he isn't asking about having a gun in a vehicle in any specific locality. If this is of concern, then it should be phrased appropriately so that he may consider this. That said, security and precautions when storing a firearm in a vehicle is important.
You and I can take any given question and turn it on its ear by assigning specific assumptions, circumstances, or conditions where the precepts of the question are off the wall. You and I can also drag the conversation totally off topic and detract from the OP's original question, as well.
However, I think what the OP wants is an answer to his question...or at least opinions on the subject.
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Chief,
Thanks for your help in clarifying my question and a big thank you to those that read my posts and offered opinions and advice. To those that skimmed my posts and lost focus of the actual question...maybe actually reading my posts would have prevented the hijacking and quibbling...regardless,please give me the benefit of the doubt on having good SA and weapons discipline-I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express a few times.
Looks like I will be going with the 21SF. Its more compatable with my training and style of shooting...and Ive been isssued them on a few contracts.
The 357 Sig has a lot of good points, but having run WPPS quals with it a few times now, I realize that with school and work, Im not going to be able to dedicate the time needed to transition to it. A friend from down range made very valid points on that.
Hopefully I can add a 20 SF after school and the move west.
Thanks for your help in clarifying my question and a big thank you to those that read my posts and offered opinions and advice. To those that skimmed my posts and lost focus of the actual question...maybe actually reading my posts would have prevented the hijacking and quibbling...regardless,please give me the benefit of the doubt on having good SA and weapons discipline-I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express a few times.
Looks like I will be going with the 21SF. Its more compatable with my training and style of shooting...and Ive been isssued them on a few contracts.
The 357 Sig has a lot of good points, but having run WPPS quals with it a few times now, I realize that with school and work, Im not going to be able to dedicate the time needed to transition to it. A friend from down range made very valid points on that.
Hopefully I can add a 20 SF after school and the move west.
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And I would make it a Gen 3 SF, and if you are in to the .355 Sig, then spend another $100 and get a LW conversion barrel for it.
afponiky
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Wow, surprised this didn't get locked down.
Go with a glockenspiel 30! Never look back!
Go with a glockenspiel 30! Never look back!
Flfiremedic
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Why would it get locked...some good info came out.
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