Glock trying to compete with the Sig P365?

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Back in 2015 Glock released their much-anticipated single-stack G43. Glock’s latest addition, following newer releases like their Gen5, 19X, and G45 is likely slated for a SHOT Show 2019 premiere. We’re told the G43X a higher capacity version of its single-stack G43.

According to dimensions leaked to RECOIL by a third party with ties to Glock’s Austrian headquarters, compared to the dimensions of the G43, the G43X grip is “4mm wider and 15mm longer than a G43” to accommodate its new ten-round magazine.

We took the liberty of doing some Photoshop mock-ups based on the information we had on hand. The forward serrations are just a guess on our part.

When reached by email, Brandie Collins, Communication’s Manager for Glock US, declined to comment.

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They should get rid of polymer magazine shell while they are at it. If image approximates real thing the product will be very good. One thing that jumps out is person with average sized palms will not have to get magazines with those stupid extensions. That is a big plus imo.
 
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tarosean said:
G43 is already bigger than the 365. Adding width and height is not going to put it in the same class.

with those numbers your looking at
0.17" difference in height to the G19
0.11" difference in width to the G19

All for 5 less rounds? lol
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You're right; I didn't realize how big the G43 was. Looked up some internet pics of comparisons and it is noticeably bigger.

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tarosean said:
G43 is already bigger than the 365. Adding width and height is not going to put it in the same class.

with those numbers your looking at
0.17" difference in height to the G19
0.11" difference in width to the G19

All for 5 less rounds? lol
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The G19 is hard to improve upon. The infinitesimal dimentional defferences will not stop Glock boys. In many instances they have been buying same gun five times over.
They will sell large number when it comes out. The G26 and G43 are about the fastest resale on second-hand market. When priced appropriately at LGS they move on first or second day out.
 
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I'm definitely not a G-Lock fanboy but if they add some length to the G43 grip I think it will be a well received improvement and definitely make the G43 true competition to the G26. I'm not a fan of short grips like those on the G26 or even on my XDm 3.8 Compact. Pinching the skin on my palm during rapid reloads is no fun and definitely breaks one's concentration. The short grip on the Sig 365 for me places it in the pocket gun, back up gun, or a church gun category.
 
rpenmanparker said:
Why would they do that? The plastic frame is the one positive aspect of the Glock.
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Cause no plastic shell on the mag would allow for a slimmer frame design..

However factory Glock Mags are likely the best in the the business, so I wouldn't screw with a successful recipe.
 
I have the 26, 19, and 17 and now the 365. Those Glocks may be going away. The 365, especially with the 12 round mag fits MY hand perfectly.......It is smaller, lighter to boot. What's not to like?
 
It looks like Glock is getting caught up in the SIG "endless variations and models" thing. Not sure thats a good thing.

I have a 43, and really dont see the point of the "X". Never really saw the point to the 42 or 43 for that matter. The 26 fills that role fine. I carry my 26's, the 43 is probably the next gun in the queue to go. I swore when I got my first 42, that I wasnt going to bother with a 43, as I didnt see the point, but one came up at a price I couldnt turn down, and I ended up with one anyway. I was right in my original thinking.

As far as grip size, the dangling pinkie doesnt dangle at all, it "wraps". :) Once youre used to it, its natural and feels right, and I find I have better control. No need at all for mag extensions, which as mentioned, tend to pinch the hell out of your hands on reloads, and even shooting.

My main complaint about the 19's is the cramped grip. My pinkie feels all jammed up, and wants to "wrap", but cant. The 26 is actually more comfortable in my hand, and I shoot it just as well as my 17's and 19's, so the wrap really isnt a detriment, and in the case of the 19, an improvement.

As far as Glocks "little" guns go, the 26 has the biggest advantage in its ability to use any of the full size mags, of its big brothers, right up to the "happy sticks". In a pinch, I can hand my wife, or anyone else who might be with me who is unarmed, my back up 26 and pop a 17 reload in it, and they now have a short barreled 17, with a full grip.

And just to give you an idea about the difference in "size" foolishness, my 26 replaced my Seecamp as a backup. I carry the 26 in the same type holster, and in the exact same place, as I did my Seecamp, and the 26 has a spare 17 mag with it in the holster, for its reload.

Ive come to the conclusion that the "now generation" has become the Princess in the old "Princess and the Pea" story. WAY over sensitive as to what size really is when it comes to guns and carrying them. I also think "going small" is a bass ackwards way of choosing a gun to carry. Especially if its going to be your primary gun.
 
I don't see what it improves upon. The 365 is going to be tough to beat if they stick to making a Glocky-Glock. Glocks are blocky, reliable pistols that are tough as nails and hold up to tons of rounds. The 365 was designed to be the smallest 10 round EDC pistol available. The G43 wasn't. It wasn't even the smallest single stack 9mm compared to the Shield, LC9S, PPS etc. For me, the 26 makes more sense, and I still traded mine off years ago.

I see the single stack 9mm glocks like I see the G36. Well made guns with some pros if you want to carry a Glock and nothing else but start to lose out in capacity if you compare them to the competition.
 
JR24 said:
Agree. It's as small as I can shoot well and conceals perfectly in any clothes I wear. When I need something smaller than my typical full/duty size carry, the 26 works perfect.
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If the new Glock 43X takes Glock 26 mags, then maybe?.............but it will be a single stack unicorn gun,so...........NO Thanks I will keep my 26
 
Glock is caught between a rock and a hard place. Glock "Perfection" is about making small somewhat infinitesimal changes over a long period of time, it'll be a large shift from the R&D of Glock.

The Sig 365, really was a "game changer" as much of the firearm world laughed at. I don't even own one and can see it was a pretty significant leap forward in capacity relative to it's size.

For Glock to compete on size and capacity they would have to make some changes that they've never made before, in the following areas:
1. No polymer around their steel magazine
2. More than likely have to rework their striker and slide assembly
3. Potentially play with grip angle, width, etc.
4. Have a different dimension magazine than their single stack or double stack

If the G43x is simply what the reports say it is; a G43 thats wider and longer than the current iteration than that isn't competition to the Sig 365 in any stretch of the imagination, as the G43 already is larger than the Sig 365, by a noticeable amount.
 
Why is Glock trying to compete with Sig365 or vice versa? Is it possible there are two different guns for two different people? Shoot each gun and then decide what you want. The only leap forward on the 365 was just a few more rounds, which is totally subjective to begin with. There as been Micro 9mm's out there for a while now even smaller in dimensions before the 365 came around. Add rounds in a magazine is NOT a game changer, it is just a feature. I have shot both and simple like another gun better. Not that it is better or the others as better as the gun I choose. It is just better for me.
 
I wonder if you G43 lovers have actually shot a P365? I recommend you shoot them back to back and them come back and post your opinions. I'm not even comparing size and capacity, where Sig mathematically prevails.
 
If the 43X is going to be another subcompact, it's going to be another one of many. The reason the P365 is different is because it gives those of us to who the extra capacity is important that option in a true pocket carry gun. I'll withhold judgement until I see the 43X, and if it's also a true pocket carry gun I may consider it for a back up to my P365. If it's just another subcompact, I have enough of those. That being said, the gun industry is not a one size fits all industry. As far as I'm concerned the more good options we have the better, so I'm happy to see them release this, even if it's not for me.
 
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