Glock trying to compete with the Sig P365?

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Garandimal said:
I'll stick w/ the 6+1 G36 .45 ACP.
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Shield 45 is better. It's smaller in all dimensions, in particular lighter and thinner by a lot. As someone else suggested already, if you're okay with the weight and bulk of G36, you might as well carry G30S.
{Update: As GR pointed out, the above is incorrect: Glock 36 is actually lighter than Shield 45. Interestingly enough, Glock magazines are significantly heavier, so the two become much closer with magazines in. Yet, G36 is still lighter by 5 grams, even then.}
 
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zaitcev said:
How about the day after Beretta fixes breaking firing pins on Pico? Unlike Beretta, SIG at least took steps to fix the pins on P365. And Beretta's answer is, just keep spare pins and don't dry-fire the gun.
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What total BS, I have two Pico's with thousand of rounds through them without ever breaking a firing pin. Actually bought a few spares with I first purchased the Pico, because of some internet nonsense. The directions clearly read to use snap caps. So are we now going to start ridiculous bashing of other guns now? Maybe to you a snap cap is too expensive or difficult to use or you can't read directions. And the gun also has second strike capability. And the post about the Glock 43 was not to disparage the Glock. but only to show Glocks have had issues as well.
 
zaitcev said:
Shield 45 is better. It's smaller in all dimensions, in particular lighter and thinner by a lot. As someone else suggested already, if you're okay with the weight and bulk of G36, you might as well carry G30S.
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The Shield has a shorter 3.3" Bbl. and is not lighter. The GLOCK weighs 19.93 oz sans mag, and its 3.8" bbl. will produce std. pressure service Bbl. length performance with +P ammo. The G36 is also thin enough for its size and power.

As for the G30S - Even though it shares the same top end, it is still heaver and bulkier than the G36.

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Would rather have the additional weight and bulk of the extra ammo in the spare mag, if I need it.


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Jeb Stuart said:
What total BS, I have two Pico's with thousand of rounds through them without ever breaking a firing pin. Actually bought a few spares with I first purchased the Pico, because of some internet nonsense. The directions clearly read to use snap caps. So are we now going to start ridiculous bashing of other guns now? Maybe to you a snap cap is too expensive or difficult to use or you can't read directions. And the gun also has second strike capability. And the post about the Glock 43 was not to disparage the Glock. but only to show Glocks have had issues as well.
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Beretta is chugging along with good guns w/o fanfare. Good example is the APX.
 
Jeb Stuart said:
Lol, (actually laughing) Can Glock owners even read? I do NOT own a Sig. Do not want a 365. For God Sake this is actually funny. And if a Glock owner thinks the 365 is getting a "Free Pass". Then, well, it says a whole lot about them. Similar to folks that think CNN is real news.
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Jeb Stuart said:
What does get my pants on fire is that over the years on the internet, when ever someone mentions a failure in a particular Pistol, the Glock owners are usually the one's to come out to bash the firearm and immediately start telling everyone that they will just continue to carry the Glock. Just as you did. Also Glock's also always gets a free ride.
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I'm a Glock owner. I'm also a Ruger owner. A Smith & Wesson owner. A Taurus owner. An Uberti owner. A Remington owner, etc, etc...

I buy what works and am open-minded enough to consider what works and what doesn't. I bought a bunch of Glocks in the late 90's and got tired of them. I found pistols that fit me better and worked better for me. Now I have found a couple of Glocks that work better than other choices.

Your prejudice and apparently deep resentment against fellow gun owners who happen to own a Glock pistol is odd.

I hope Sig gets the P365 issues sorted out; it seems like a great little pistol.
 
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Honestly do we really want this thing? Am I the only one who thinks the 19X was backwards? I want a 19 grip with a 17 slide from the factory and not as an aftermarket add on! I think Glock has a better chance at a good bolt action rifle design than doing anything new in the "size of gun" design department that anyone wants much less needs. And I wish my Gen 4 came without the erratic ejection. The gun can't make up it's mind whether it wants to bounce them off my head or somewhere between 12 and 6 O'clock. Yeah I know I can fix it, but it was just fine in the Gen2 and early Gen 3. I guess it sums up their recent designs, erratic. The guy at the LGS tried to sell me a Gen 5. He said "best trigger yet"! I felt it and it was practically no better than what I ended up doing with my gen 4 $10 trigger job including springs ( if I recall that's what they were from Wolf). At least I can't complain about accuracy. I can hit a man size target @ 100yds and the factory stippling is much improved. Left my soldering iron unplugged for this one at least. Good enough in a pinch. If I were them I would work on the real ERGO design issues in the grip. How about an M&P grip with a PPQ trigger and a gen 2 ejection? Now that would send me back for more! And lets not forget the Polygonal rifling that was so great went bye bye. Perfectly fine for todays shooters, but I guess there must have been some cost saving in it for them so I digress. Guess I am just fine with my Gen4 19 as a defensive piece with a $10 trigger job and a decent enough IWB holster with a matching mag holder. Goes well at the range with the Ruger Carbine and a couple of 33 rounders or in a bugout bag.
 
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Glock is caught between a rock and a hard place. Glock "Perfection" is about making small somewhat infinitesimal changes over a long period of time, it'll be a large shift from the R&D of Glock.

The Sig 365, really was a "game changer" as much of the firearm world laughed at. I don't even own one and can see it was a pretty significant leap forward in capacity relative to it's size.

For Glock to compete on size and capacity they would have to make some changes that they've never made before, in the following areas:
1. No polymer around their steel magazine
2. More than likely have to rework their striker and slide assembly
3. Potentially play with grip angle, width, etc.
4. Have a different dimension magazine than their single stack or double stack

If the G43x is simply what the reports say it is; a G43 thats wider and longer than the current iteration than that isn't competition to the Sig 365 in any stretch of the imagination, as the G43 already is larger than the Sig 365, by a noticeable amount.
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And if Glock went ahead and made those changes and made a true P365 killer, how will they sell that to people who are buying their Glock 43XL that looks like a Glock 43 before it went on the Jenny Craig diet?

"Hey, we didn't have enough time to make a smaller pistol closer to the size of the P365, but we had to do something, so we just beefed up the G43 and figured we'd work on a better one over time. Oh, and BTW, the Gen 6 Glocks are due in Q3 next year and just a reminder, these Glocks will have the interchangeable grip finger grooves and interchangeable slide serrations."
 
If the Glock 48 is true, that actually has me interested. In looking at single stack 9's, they're all pretty much the same at 3 inch barrel lengths and 7 round capacities. A 4.5 inch barrel isn't long enough to make it more difficult to conceal or harder to carry, the grip does stick out a bit more, but the result is a 10 round magazine.

My pockets aren't big enough to carry any 9mm, so the point of a super tiny 9mm is questionable to me. Something that carries easier and more comfortable than a doublestack IWB or OWB or shoulder and holds 10 rounds is a win in my book.

Still would rather have a DA/SA trigger, so Springfield XD-E is still a possibility.
 
Ya'll have tiny hands?

Couldn't hang onto the 365 well enough to call it a ''fighting pistol''. It's just another ''better than nothing'' pistol common to the CCW world. I'm hoping the X or 48 will fit my entire hand.

I liked the 43 because it was thicker than the average sub compact 9mm. And it had real sight options. The 43x and 48 are what we've been asking for, for quite a while. Whatever kimber stuff that Sig is making, has nothing to do with it.

Glock guy's generally don't care about Xd's, for example. But the XDS .45 was nice. Seeing Glock try some single stack stuff is interesting.

And the 17L slide on a 26 frame guys, are cracking me up. Lol. Lot of good a 2 foot sight radius is, if I can't grip the pistol. My neighbor has a custom built 17 slide on a 19 frame, it sucks. Unbalanced and weird feeling.
 
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js8588 said:
Nope. https://www.instagram.com/p/Br9J5dMhL4L/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1io4x6lm73j4t
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I am a RSO and see dozens of different guns in the hands of a wide variety of shooters. I have seen manufacturers defects and shooters errors form every maker in the business. Just yesterday I saw customers Glock so jammed up none of our people could figure it out.
It is my practice to believe little of what I read from posters on the internet. In a hands on situation, I often find the opposite to be true. With respect to the P365, and Glock 42,43 startup issues. They were actually few and far between but the attention they received was major. My two P365's March and July and perfect in every way and I will suggest the nearly 300,000 that have been produced and sold are likewise. I will say the same for all the small Glocks that are shot where I work.
YMMV but I carry mine every day and if I were forced to keep only one of my Semi-auto's, the P365 wins hands down.
 
Trey Veston said:
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Now, If that G48 was basic black, chamber in .40?

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I have a G43 that has enough capacity for me. The trigger is just a matter of familiarity.
And shot a 365 the other day. The trigger might be better than the 43.
I'll keep the 43.
I don't see a need for the 365.
Or the 43x.

For whatever it matters, I most often carry LCR .38.
 
Strangely, I like the Glock 19X ... and I'm a SIG guy who is issued M&Ps ... yes, I adore the SIG P-365 ...as well as the S&W M&P 2.0 (even without an Apex, terrific improvement) ... but yeah, all the Ruger triggers are horrid (seriously, even the most die-hard Ruger fan has to admit Ruger triggers are the worst).

Whatever suits one best. The fanboyism is certainly becoming annoying.
 
Trey Veston said:
Or is any case of someone preferring one pistol over another what you consider "fanboyism"?
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Yep, pretty much.

Especially when there's no reasons provided for the preference. S&W Shield, Beretta PICO/APX, SIG P-365 (one poster did say he couldn't "hang on" to this pistol), SA XD-M/S, G-43, to mention a few in this thread -- let's provide some specifics (gratuitous Homer Simpson graphics notwithstanding) ...
 
Old Dog said:
Strangely, I like the Glock 19X ... and I'm a SIG guy who is issued M&Ps ... yes, I adore the SIG P-365 ...as well as the S&W M&P 2.0 (even without an Apex, terrific improvement) ... but yeah, all the Ruger triggers are horrid (seriously, even the most die-hard Ruger fan has to admit Ruger triggers are the worst).

Whatever suits one best. The fanboyism is certainly becoming annoying.
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Where are you getting that info? I personally have moved away from light striker fired triggers, with some of the Rugers, but my gosh there are a tremendous amount of people that love them. To say that the most die hard admit the Ruger Triggers are Horrid is out of line. Seems to me you are the fanboy . What Ruger triggers are your referring to, to make such a comment? I shot the 365 vs the LC9S and both IMO were very similar. The LC9S was a little lighter but I actually preferred the the 365 a tad more. But not by much. And I own the LC9S. The Ruger LCR has one of the finest revolver triggers I have shot. I really wonder what Die Hard Ruger fans have to say about your comment? Something tells me, they will strongly disagree. I understand you like the 365 and have become a fanboy, and nothing wrong with that, it is a great gun IMO, but to start disparaging other guns on this thread is simply wrong. And to make such outlandish statements is very annoying.
And if you want to call me a Ruger fan boy simply because I replied to what I believe to be a unjust-worthy comment, then so be it.
 
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George P said:
I have the 26, 19, and 17 and now the 365. Those Glocks may be going away. The 365, especially with the 12 round mag fits MY hand perfectly.......It is smaller, lighter to boot. What's not to like?
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MIM parts made in a country where it is considered perfectly natural to defecate in the street and throwing corpses into the local river that people drink out of is a normal burial practice?
 
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