Glock trying to compete with the Sig P365?

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I like it. For too long I carried a mousegun that was an extremely poor fighting pistol. The 43 shoots like a larger pistol, I think I can defend myself better with it than a Kahr p380 or a Jframe. But it's still too small for my hands. This longer frames might be perfect for me.

I'll try one.
 
I wonder if you G43 lovers have actually shot a P365? I recommend you shoot them back to back and them come back and post your opinions. I'm not even comparing size and capacity, where Sig mathematically prevails.

Who are you talking to? Pretty much no one before you had anything nice to say about the 43. Or do you just like yelling at clouds?

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Did Sig ever fix the reliability issues with the 365? That's where I left off at.

As far as we know, yes as getting a straight answer out of Sig is not possible. I replaced the striker pin and trigger bar spring on mine to make sure, but mine has had 1 malfunction, a failure to go into battery in almost 2000 rounds. It's my primary carry gun, and it's been great.
 
As far as we know, yes as getting a straight answer out of Sig is not possible. I replaced the striker pin and trigger bar spring on mine to make sure, but mine has had 1 malfunction, a failure to go into battery in almost 2000 rounds. It's my primary carry gun, and it's been great.
That's what put me off. No acknowledgement that things went wrong with early models. No statement about what was changed to fix the problem.

If they're good now though maybe I'll get one.
 
I like it. For too long I carried a mousegun that was an extremely poor fighting pistol. The 43 shoots like a larger pistol, I think I can defend myself better with it than a Kahr p380 or a Jframe. But it's still too small for my hands. This longer frames might be perfect for me.

I'll try one.

As I mentioned in a number of post. I was with a group at my club that ran 1,000 rds through the gun. And it was a great gun. But just not for everyone. So many nice micro's to choose from. I have shot most of them. I ended up after a long search with the Bereta Nano. It is just made for me in a lot of ways. Everything I wanted. That said, the LC9S, the Shield, the Kahr, all all great guns. You really have to fine the gun that makes the perfect fit for yourself. The Sig365 as nice as it was, just did not fit my hand. The receiver to grip was just too narrow for me and a few of the other shooters. Some ended up riding the slide. I could never wear a glove with this gun. The Nano however was perfect for me. It might not for some, just as the Shield and others not for some. I personally do not like Glocks. Not that they are not nice guns, just do not fit my hand and the bore aixs is too short.

Unfortunately Igmur is have difficutly in advanced editing so I cannot use text to or pointer to show the difference of length of the grip to receiver. But here is a pic. Also the website does comparison of other Micro 9MM's.

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http://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-vs-beretta-nano
 

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Every gun made after June is fixed; the dates are on the end of the box

Are you sure? I was at the LGS the other day and they said they got in two last month and one of them had a dead trigger. I guess that is one of the more common issues. I also think the new ones still are exhibiting striker drag as well. They just beefed up the striker to take the abuse, IIRC.

I really want them to get sorted out. My dad is looking at them with lust and is waiting for the issues to be completely gone before he replaces his Ruger EC9.
 
Who are you talking to? Pretty much no one before you had anything nice to say about the 43. Or do you just like yelling at clouds?

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Sorry you missed the post before mine.

"The only leap forward on the 365 was just a few more rounds, which is totally subjective to begin with. There as been Micro 9mm's out there for a while now even smaller in dimensions before the 365 came around. Add rounds in a magazine is NOT a game changer, it is just a feature."
 
Are you sure? I was at the LGS the other day and they said they got in two last month and one of them had a dead trigger. I guess that is one of the more common issues. I also think the new ones still are exhibiting striker drag as well. They just beefed up the striker to take the abuse, IIRC.

I really want them to get sorted out. My dad is looking at them with lust and is waiting for the issues to be completely gone before he replaces his Ruger EC9.

Why is your Dad lusting for the 365? Has it actually compared them shooting side by side? And the problems according to my LGS are sorted out. And so what that it has striker drag? If you Dad has shot the 365 and lusting. then he needs to step up to the plate and get it.
 
Are you sure? I was at the LGS the other day and they said they got in two last month and one of them had a dead trigger. I guess that is one of the more common issues. I also think the new ones still are exhibiting striker drag as well. They just beefed up the striker to take the abuse, IIRC.

I really want them to get sorted out. My dad is looking at them with lust and is waiting for the issues to be completely gone before he replaces his Ruger EC9.
Yes, I am; every gun made after June has been fine from all of the ones I have shot and the one I own
 
Why is your Dad lusting for the 365? Has it actually compared them shooting side by side? And the problems according to my LGS are sorted out. And so what that it has striker drag? If you Dad has shot the 365 and lusting. then he needs to step up to the plate and get it.

He likes it on paper. Ten or 12 rounds in such a compact package is very appealing, and he has some other Sigs. His last duty pistol as a Chief of Police was a Sig 229. Like I said before in another thread; nobody around here has them. The one LGS that got two last month had one go right back to Sig for the trigger issue and the other one sold within 15 minutes.
 
He likes it on paper. Ten or 12 rounds in such a compact package is very appealing, and he has some other Sigs. His last duty pistol as a Chief of Police was a Sig 229. Like I said before in another thread; nobody around here has them. The one LGS that got two last month had one go right back to Sig for the trigger issue and the other one sold within 15 minutes.
You dad has a good eye for guns! If "he likes it on paper" he'll like it even better in his hand. A small number of early 365's had issues just like all mfgs. The problem with early models were bad strikers due to incorrect MIM casting from Sig's source. It's long since been corrected along with a spring issue. Primer marks are a non issue and common with other brands also. It's an internet Fake News story.
 
The only leap forward on the 365 was just a few more rounds, which is totally subjective to begin with.
I don't think that word ("subjective") means what you think it means. Ammo capacity for a given firearm is totally objective, not subjective at all. IMO, having used both a G43 and Sig 365, the 365 is considerably more accurate and easier to use. Very ergonomic. The ergonomics are subjective though, unlike ammo capacity. I won't be buying one myself, simply because I'm used to carrying a larger pistol and have no reason to go smaller but of the half dozen different single stack mini 9's I've shot, I'd say the 365 is the most comfortable to shoot.
 
I'm definitely not a G-Lock fanboy but if they add some length to the G43 grip I think it will be a well received improvement and definitely make the G43 true competition to the G26. I'm not a fan of short grips like those on the G26 or even on my XDm 3.8 Compact. Pinching the skin on my palm during rapid reloads is no fun and definitely breaks one's concentration. The short grip on the Sig 365 for me places it in the pocket gun, back up gun, or a church gun category.

It will be well received because it's just the right size for both carry and range use. I had four Glocks and still own one. Sure early G20 was single shot with Winchester Silvertips but it had steel guide rod and functioned 100d% with all other ammo. One went 1500 rounds with no cleaning and no stopages, that is remarkable. They work out of the box and have excellent value on used gun market. These are Hondas of pistol world.
 
You dad has a good eye for guns! If "he likes it on paper" he'll like it even better in his hand. A small number of early 365's had issues just like all mfgs. The problem with early models were bad strikers due to incorrect MIM casting from Sig's source. It's long since been corrected along with a spring issue. Primer marks are a non issue and common with other brands also. It's an internet Fake News story.
While I acknowledge Sig has built a well deserved reputation on aluminum framed DA/SA handguns it amazes me that gun guys assume that same quality transfers to the plastic models when the evidence seems it be contrary.

My logic twisted as it might be is for a plastic handgun buy from the company that has achieved their success with the desired product, if you can’t afford them buy S&W or Ruger.
 
IMO the Glock 43X looks to be a great idea and could be another big hit for Glock. Hard to tell for sure without actual details from Glock but it looks like the 43X is going to be the size of the Walther PPS with the 7 round magazine which IMO is about perfect as that gives most of us a full grip but with 10 round capacity in a very thin 9MM pistol. The thin slide/frame area in front of the grip is what contributes to CCW comfort while if the grip itself is a bit thicker to accommodate ten rounds will not matter for comfort and may even be better for gripping the pistol. Can't wait to see and handle one. The SIG P365 is too small for me, including trigger reach, and I can shoot my PPS a whole lot better plus I still don't have confidence in the P365. With so many living in states with magazine restrictions a 10 round Glock 43X makes a lot of sense for CCW compared to a Glock 19 with a 10 round magazine for one looking to have a CCW pistol with full grip. I expect S&W and Walther will come out with something similar before too long also.
 
With so many living in states with magazine restrictions a 10 round Glock 43X makes a lot of sense for CCW compared to a Glock 19 with a 10 round magazine for one looking to have a CCW pistol with full grip. I expect S&W and Walther will come out with something similar before too long also.

The idea of gun manufacturers designing pistols around the unconstitutional restrictions put in by progressive leftists in particularly oppressive states is a depressing thought.
 
Just at my LGS today, they had Sig 365's in stock, clerk told me they always have plenty. Price was $499.00. I honestly do not know how one firearm has gotten so much attention both good and bad. After shooting it, I felt it was a nice gun but no big deal. I thought it shot similar to a Ruger LC9S without not quite as much muzzle flip. I have a LC9s with a Tru Glo night sight and about six of the extended mags 9 rds and 6 of the standard 7rd. Seems perfectly fine to me. You can get the Ruger for under $250.00 and just get the sights you want.
 
I don't think that word ("subjective") means what you think it means. Ammo capacity for a given firearm is totally objective, not subjective at all. IMO, having used both a G43 and Sig 365, the 365 is considerably more accurate and easier to use. Very ergonomic. The ergonomics are subjective though, unlike ammo capacity. I won't be buying one myself, simply because I'm used to carrying a larger pistol and have no reason to go smaller but of the half dozen different single stack mini 9's I've shot, I'd say the 365 is the most comfortable to shoot.

I know the difference in the two words. And I still say the round count in a small 380 or Micro 9mm is subjective. At least to the individual. If you feel the extra few rounds is your objective then that is fine. It is not my objective. My objectives were or are not the same as yours. Not saying yours is wrong. Just like some folks feel a revolver is better suited for them. Many feel that 5 rounds is plenty some folks feel 6 rounds are. My objective in choosing the LCR revolver did not involve round count. My objective was quality, ammo cost, trigger, handling etc.
By the way, I have nothing against Sig. Getting ready to order the Sig 320 and my option will not include round count. That is not my objective.
 
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I have the fortune to rent all the guns at my range all day for a flat $20 fee. Just walk out and exchange one after another. I have XL but not fat hands and I actually shoot the P365 at least equal to or better than full frame models. So for defensive use it's a no brainer for me. 100-200 rounds in one session every week are my norm and I have zero fatigue at that count.

Back to the OP, IMHO the G43X could be a step backwards with Glock scrambling to sell something new but not revolutionary. Maybe the G43X is the miracle? Sales (even though Sig can't meet demand) are showing the Sig P365 as definitive winner over everything. Maybe the 43X will turn that around for Glock?
 
I know the difference in the two words. And I still say the round count in a small 380 or Micro 9mm is subjective. At least to the individual. If you feel the extra few rounds is your objective then that is fine. It is not my objective. My objectives were or are not the same as yours. Not saying yours is wrong. Just like some folks feel a revolver is better suited for them. Many feel that 5 rounds is plenty some folks feel 6 rounds are. My objective in choosing the LCR revolver did not involve round count. My objective was quality, ammo cost, trigger, handling etc.
I'm using the word "objective" that is the opposite of "subjective". You're using the word "objective" as in a goal to be attained or something to be desired. It's a homonym. Totally different word than what I was using. Subjective means that the subject is negotiable or a matter of opinion based on the individual's knowledge and experience. Objective means that the subject is non negotiable, a fact and not a matter of opinion. Ammo capacity for a given pistol magazine is objective. Neither of our opinions will change how much ammo a Sig P365 or Glock 43 magazine holds. Now, how important that capacity is, is subjective.
 
Oh, where to start. A lot of hatred for the G43 on here. I handled a fair amount of offerings from Ruger, Taurus, Smith, and Springfield when I was looking for a carry pistol. The m and p shield 2 and the xds were nice but all of the others felt cheap and I worried about reliability. The 365 was not in my budget at the time. It was more like 600 than 500. Having owned my G23 for around 20 years and Glock offering their blue label pricing to vets it was a No brainer for me to get one.

As far as competition for the 365? Apples to oranges in my mind. They are not the same price, size or round capacity. Now the 43x will be a ten rounder but the comparison stops there. Why is it bad for Glock to offer their pistols in a variety of sizes and round capacities? The number one complaint I see about ANY pistol is, " it didn't fit my hand". Clearly Glock has got their production figured out and can offer a wide variety of sizes and make money. Problem?

As far as 10 rounds being a game changer, for the size it is pretty amazing, game changing? I don't know. It is 2018 after all.

I have never felt under gunned with my J frame let alone a 6 and 8 rounder with my G43. If you feel the need for the 10 rounder maybe some range time is in order? Ergos are just fine, especially if you are accustomed to shooting Glocks. As usual the factory sights offered from Glock are awful.

Just my $.02
 
It looks like Glock is getting caught up in the SIG "endless variations and models" thing. Not sure thats a good thing.

I have a 43, and really dont see the point of the "X". Never really saw the point to the 42 or 43 for that matter. The 26 fills that role fine. I carry my 26's, the 43 is probably the next gun in the queue to go. I swore when I got my first 42, that I wasnt going to bother with a 43, as I didnt see the point, but one came up at a price I couldnt turn down, and I ended up with one anyway. I was right in my original thinking.

As far as grip size, the dangling pinkie doesnt dangle at all, it "wraps". :) Once youre used to it, its natural and feels right, and I find I have better control. No need at all for mag extensions, which as mentioned, tend to pinch the hell out of your hands on reloads, and even shooting.

My main complaint about the 19's is the cramped grip. My pinkie feels all jammed up, and wants to "wrap", but cant. The 26 is actually more comfortable in my hand, and I shoot it just as well as my 17's and 19's, so the wrap really isnt a detriment, and in the case of the 19, an improvement.

As far as Glocks "little" guns go, the 26 has the biggest advantage in its ability to use any of the full size mags, of its big brothers, right up to the "happy sticks". In a pinch, I can hand my wife, or anyone else who might be with me who is unarmed, my back up 26 and pop a 17 reload in it, and they now have a short barreled 17, with a full grip.

And just to give you an idea about the difference in "size" foolishness, my 26 replaced my Seecamp as a backup. I carry the 26 in the same type holster, and in the exact same place, as I did my Seecamp, and the 26 has a spare 17 mag with it in the holster, for its reload.

Ive come to the conclusion that the "now generation" has become the Princess in the old "Princess and the Pea" story. WAY over sensitive as to what size really is when it comes to guns and carrying them. I also think "going small" is a bass ackwards way of choosing a gun to carry. Especially if its going to be your primary gun.


I am bean pole skinny and greatly appreciate the 43. The 26 and 27 are just too wide for ME to conceal well.
 
Count me in on waiting for all the issues of the P365 to be resolved. I for one have much appreciation for the P365's design. It's the functional problems that have kept me on the sidelines. Sure... some folks are gonna say that ALL the problems have DEFINITELY been fixed.

Been on Sigforum since 2002 and have had P220's, P226 Navys, P239's and truly have come to appreciate the alloy DA Sigs. But their P320 was loaded with problems and the P365 has had its share of... blemishes to Sig's reputation.

When the CEO came over from Kimber, things changed to polymer and striker fired... for the most part. Like I said, when I don't see the recurrent issues being posted on the forums, I will be a P365 buyer.
 
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