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Glock vs. HK USP vs. Walther P99

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by 45R, Dec 26, 2002.

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  1. 45R

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    Theres always someone who starts a tread like this so I figured hey what not.

    Your assignment if you choose to accept it. (see below) If you get flamed we will not disavow your existance.

    Compare and Contrast the Glock Series, HK UPS Series and the Walther P99 Series. Use your descretion.
     
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  2. eap

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    just had to stir up trouble eh?:D
     
  3. gbelleh

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    I have owned all three:

    Glock 26 (sold it last year)
    HK USP 45 Compact
    Walther P99

    All are good guns, but my favorite and the only one of the three that has never had a failure of any kind is the USP. The USP is also by far the most accurate pistol I have ever owned.

    That's my experience, yours may vary! :p
     
  4. Plan-B

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    I have a P99 9x19. I just bought a USP .45ACP. And I will be buying a Glock 19 early next year (as soon I figure out a way to "prove" my CA residency). I've never understood why the gun community bickers amongst itself with all the brand and caliber arguments when we could be turning this energy against the Feinsteins of the world.
     
  5. Schuey2002

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    I'll try and play along.

    Currently own 4 Glocks,owned 1 Walther P99 (sold it),I've owned 1 HK USP9c (sold it,too!),and plan on buying a new HKP2000 ...

    I love the Glock reliability,ease of repair,factory mags, and durable Tennifer finish. Did I mention that I like Glocks ?? ;)

    I really liked my USP9c.. It was durable and I never had any problems with it or FTF's. The one thing that I didn't like was the chunkiness of it. It just felt like it needed a 'CNC' diet and could stand to have its width lessened a little.. Having said that,I'll probably buy another one in the not to distant future..

    I enjoyed my Walther P99 while it was with me. It was probably one of the coolest looking guns that I've ever owned. As far as the good points [see what I said about my Glocks]as they apply in this case also. As far as the negatives, I didn't care for the trigger, or that ski ramp looking thing under the trigger, or the way that the trigger would bite the end of my index finger. I didn't much care for the factory sights either. This doesn't at all mean that I won't buy one in the future..

    Just for the record and to be all inclusive,you should have included Sigs and CZ's into this "vs." debate as well.. ;) ;)
     
  6. seeker_two

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    Kinda hard to hear from a Glock-er...:D
     
  7. Schuey2002

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    Yeah, but I consider a Glock to be "slab sided" and the HK USP's as "chunky",you know, like a certain candy bar..:D
     
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  8. Trisha

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    My $.03

    I don't own the Walther (hey - a girl's wish list is long, with the long-desired selective-fire UZI at the top!), but I love both my G21 and my HK USP Compact (also in .45acp).

    I don't find the HK too bulky as my primary carry gun - a girl remains acceptably fashion-conscious with only minor concessions to concealment requirements, especially here in the mountains!

    Both are absolutely reliable, more acurate than I can hold, and simplicity itself to clean - and after thousands and thousands of rounds through both, I unhesitatingly recommend either, with a slight bit of predjudice to the HK (likely just blond logic...).

    Hugs!

    Trisha
     
  9. mlk18

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    In my experience, as has been said before in this thread,
    I think all 3 are good guns. But I think Glock has the edge.
    While I am sure others have had differing experiences,
    all my Glocks have all been 100% reliable and durable.
    While on the range I have seen the other two fail, albeit rarely.
    However I think the factor I am using for comparison is "value".
    In the cost to performance ratio, neither the H&K or Walther
    can come close the the plastic fantastic. IMNSHO


    mlk18
     
  10. mikemck

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    I had a USP Compact in 357 Sig, but I sold it after reading a few too many reports about poor or non-existant customer service, lack of parts availability, and other miscellaneous problems.
    The fit & finish were first rate, but no better really than other guns that cost quite a bit less.
    Overall, the USP is a nice gun, but way overpriced, in my opinion.

    I finally moved away from Glocks because I just could not get comfortable carrying with a round chambered, although I have no trouble keeping my finger out of the trigger guard until I am ready to fire.
    The only real advantage on the Glock side is the Tenifer treatment. I have FTF's and FTE's with several Glocks, just like with other brands.

    The P99 is a great gun, except for the trapezoidal slide. I hated the slide, but otherwise it was a great gun.
    I never had any problems with the 3 I have owned, and the accuracy was great.
    I did have a problem with the trigger guard or the mag release slapping my finger around, which was irritating.

    These days, I much prefer a DA/SA or DAO setup, with a hammer. I'm just more comfortable with that arrangement, and that's what really counts.
     
  11. rock jock

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    My top picks:
    Ergonomics go to P99
    Aesthetics go to HK
    Reliability is about the same for all three
    Concealibility goes to Glock
    Accuracy goes to either P99 or HK
     
  12. 10-Ring

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    I have no experience outside of an occassional fondling of the P99 in any caliber. I have owned Glocks in the past (23, 21c) and currently a 36. I currently own 4 USPs (an Expert 45, USP 45, USP 9 and USPc ). Of all my guns & the guns I have access to, I shoot the HK's the best. They just work best for me :)
     
  13. modifiedbrowning

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    Have shot a Glock, didn't work for me. Felt like a brick in my hand.
    Have shot an USP, felt good, accurate, nice gun. Overpriced for what you get in my opinion(still want buy one though).
    Own a P99, fits the hand, accurate, good price. I would recommend the P99 to anyone looking for a nice pistol. I still have a couple more to buy.:)
     
  14. tobeat1

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    Glocks rock. Plain and simple. I do have a HK .45 fullsize and yes it is "chunky". Very accurate and fun to shoot. I never cared for the P99.
     
  15. denfoote

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    DARK SIDE BE DAMNED

    I used to own a G19, but I traded it for a G29. However, I have a P99 that is the cat's meow!!! HK has no power over me!!! ;)
     
  16. Bergeron

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    I ended up trying all three, ended up with the HK.

    The Walther's grip was just too small, and the decocker was placed in a funky location.

    The Glock and HK both felt great in my hand, but I came to appreciate the HK's better checkering on the front and back of the pistol. I was able to relase the mag on the HK without shifing my grip at all, not possible for me with the Glock. Also, when I tried to relase the magazine on the Glock, the opposite side of my hand actually prevented me from pushing the magazine release all the way in. More shitfing of the grip. I was equally pleased with the triggers on both guns, and like both cocked and locked and "safe action". The ten round magazines that the HK had were MUCH easier to load to capacity than the Glock 10 rounders. Also, and this is going to sound weird, it seemed much easier to insert the magazine into the HK. Kind of like the mag well was "sucking" the loaded magazine into the frame.:cool: I liked that.

    I'll end up owning a Glock eventually, but I prefer the HK.
     
  17. PATH

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    Walther P99. That is IMHO the better of the group. That is why I own one. Nuff'said.
     
  18. Wildalaska

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    The nice thing about being involved in the gun business is the fact that you can handle, fondle, evaluate, shoot, take apart and play with most everything...

    The HKs IMHO are overly large for what you get, blocky and generally just clunky..they shoot OK, seem durable, I think their service sucks.

    Glocks are Glocks, the AK47s of the pistol world. To paraphrase the famous saying about AKs, a Glock is a pistol designed for users who dont have flush toilets...:)

    All else being equal, I actually bought a P99 in 9mm...very impressive, and suppressable :D
     
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    I have owned several Glocks and still have a G23, and have shot several HK Usps, and own both P88s and P99s.
    Folks seem to either love or hate Glocks; personally I feel life is too short to waste time on the powerful emotions of hate so all I can say is they are not my cup of tea. Even after having the gun worked over, my G23 is only a fair gun. I don't like the grip or the angle, nor do I live the trigger feel. The mag release is primative at best. It is boxy and ugly, and worth all of say 350.00 dollars to me. (And no don't bother flaming by offering me money for mine, it is good for taking in the fishing tackle box, I have not guilt about a Glock shifting around in two inches of water in the bottom of the boat!)
    Problem is Glock now encourages dealers to sell them at more like 600.00 dollars with puts them in a catagory of being compared to others in the same price range.
    The Usp is a disapointment IMHO. Here is the company that produced such greats as the P7 series, and I expected as much out of thier polymer gun. Instead all I find is a price point to try to counter the hard mark to dollar exchange rate. The trigger is mushy IMHO, and it boxy in design, with little inspiration. The safety, while clever in it's flexability fails in pratice for fit and feel. It is hard to imagine that this is produced by the same folks who built my MP-5.
    The walther does not walk on water, it is not the perfect answer, but it is a pretty cool gun. The first shot pulls forever, but is at least as manageable as a glock. It at least does have a clear take up and release, and the second shot on release point is clear and great. The design is nice, the angular slide reminds me of the Jericho with it's triangle like design. This produces a top of the slide that is more narrow, and encourages better siteing in on shots. The grip is outstanding, and flexable with the back straps. With the high caps you can get on the market, you will have 16 rounds of 9mm. If you can accomplish what you have to in that number you have a problem. It feels good in the hand, aims well, and triggers well.
    My experence of walthers tells me that they can be load and shape sensitive, but the P-99 feeds hollowpoints and 115 grain bullets better than any other Walther I know. Try loading a light hollowpoint into a PPK and see how it feeds when you are counting on it- No Thanks!!
    So the winner IMHO is the P-99, good grep, decent trigger, and natural site window, and cool looks to boot!
     
  20. benewton

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    I really want a glock!

    I want to go to 10mm, and what other new autos are really there?

    But, to me, it feels like a brick, handles like one, and, a stupid comment if it were, to me, a usable tool, looks like one.

    And the Walther is a "cool gun", but I'm buying a tool, not "cool"

    USP's in the full sized versions don't impress, and don't get me started on their tactical .45, but the USPc...

    I've got a .40, since I acquired mine before the .45 came out. Fits my hand, rides the belt well, and has had zero problems as far a cycling goes.
    My eyes are, I guess, adjusted low left, so it has MMC sights.

    FWIW, I see no reason for a 9mm if you can get a .40 in the same package.

    'course, I'm on my way out the back door to practice with the winter carry .44 Bulldog....
     
  21. Ekhawaii

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    I get a chance to shoot quite a few differnt handguns teaching, as the other instructors bring all thier own guns to class.

    I have to say that I keep coming back to my Glock 19...

    "Feels like a brick?" Hmm. I shoot a friends Kimber 1911 a lot. It's heavier and harder for me to shoot accurately after a while as I get tired. THAT feels like a brick to me...Being a gal, I don't personally have as much arm strength as some of you manly-men out there.

    I don't think there is necessarily any "best" handgun, just whatever the individual is most comfortable, fits the hand and is accurate with. ;)
     
  22. 45R

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    nice Compare and contrast guys. I am glad to see that no one caused a rukus. :)


    Very Classy!


    45R
     
  23. rock jock

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    You do know that the gun comes with inserts that make the grip either larger or smaller?
     
  24. HS/LD

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    STOP all this craziness!!!:eek:

    Everyone knows that H&K USP is a much better pistol than the other two junkers!!

    HS/LD
     
  25. TFL Money Repellant

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    I've not had the opportunity to shoot the P99, but I have shot a glock in 40cal and a H&K Tactical (.45acp).

    The H&K is the most accurate pistol I've ever used. So much so that all my extra money is going toward saving up for one. Well, once I get my makarov. :)

    I can't say that I really care for the Glock. I wanted to like it, but it just didn't feel right in my hand and I couldn't group well with it.
     
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